120 Days until First Delivery

[charles-overbeck]

For Reference the only 2 things I had on the list back in June that I feel have been satisfied were:

a) New Investing in Aptera

b) New Website

Any other items that you feel really need to be explained/shown in the next 120 days?

[steve-lee]

I seriously doubt that the first delivery will be in 2021. How many new EVs launched on time. Has any Tesla vehicle launched on time? When was Rivian supposed to deliver a vehicle? How about Fiskar? Lucid? Lucid was supposed to deliver a vehicle in 2020. I think they might BARELY make the end of 2021.

[Pistonboy]

They may deliver one vehicle at the end of 2021 in order to fulfill original projections. It would probably be a single vehicle that will move under its own power but will still receive much finishing work after delivery.

[Joseph Stewart]

WOW nice..120 days.. I better start saving up I am close to #1..well kinda…LOL

[charles-overbeck]

112 Days left Now and a little sneak peak about upcoming Beta Vehicles. (#1) Still sounds like they are a few weeks away.

https://aptera.us/community/discussion/beta-news/

And likely a new one for the list

41 – Factory Ramp/Optimization plans. (with a goal of 40 Vehicles per day plan which would be 10400 vehicles in a year (assuming 5 days a week and 52 weeks out of the year with a little buffer for holidays). Can Aptera really get to 5,000 or even 10,000 vehicles in 2022?

[ted-pierce]

I would like to add to the list.

Will there be over the air updates for software?

Will there be cameras to record 360 degrees like Tesla’s sentry mode?

Will they be allowed to have cameras for side view mirrors?

Will they be allowed to use Tesla’s Supercharger network?

What is the payload limit?

Will there be driving events for reservation holders?

[david-marlow]

I would consider it a very great success if they produce a total of 6,000 by the end of 2022!

At that rate they would well on there way to there 10k / year goal for 2023.

However, they still have a lot of hurdles to cross.

[harry-parker]

Hi guys. Time to carefully reread the FAQ’s section of this website. Several of the questions asked here are answered there. For example, “What’s the payload limit?”

The main point I wanted to mention is that Aptera no longer plans to deliver any EVs by the end of the year. They, like every other auto maker, have been hit hard by COVID related part delays and shortages. Read the “When” question there. The answer hasn’t changed since this new web site and forum was launched.

Now they only expect to have the final production design completed by the end of this year. Nothing about customer deliveries in 2021.

First customer deliveries will be “sometime” in 2022.

Full production volume of 10,000 per year ( = 830 per month = about 40 per working day) is planned for the end of next year.

[romeo-salcedo]

When will Aptera start delivering preordered vehicles?

Aptera is working to have our production-intent vehicle design finalized by the end of 2021. The first vehicles delivered will be our Paradigm editions, starting with our 400 mile, FWD version. From there, we will look to scale production to a rate of 10,000 vehicles a year by the end of 2022.

[Biker]

So, the production intent design slipped by at least a full year but at least we seem to be there now. Let the guessing begin when the title of this thread will be close to accurate.

[ROMAD]

1 Sep 24

[david-marlow]

From when this was first posted, 120 weeks may have been more accurate.

At this point without new investments totaling over 50 million, we won’t even see the first Delta’s for 120 days.

Hopefully, once the Deltas have been available to be seen and driven by evaluators, there will be enough investments towards even more factories. What if a country would intice Aptera to build a factory there, with a gift of more than $100 million, would that do it?

[Phil]

Just wishful thinking on my part, but maybe Italy already did this? That might explain the positive attitude on the latest videos and posts from Aptera. As to why this would not have been already announced, maybe they are just waiting for the right moment, like the start of CES (the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas in early January). If not then, maybe SXSW in Austin, Texas in March.

[Jon_Arryn]

It could be longer than 120 days, depending on funding. Lack of sufficient funding has killed many a startup. The financing market is really poor going into 2023. The past couple of years were excellent for easy money. Today? Not so much…

Back in 2009, the Elio G looked promising, $7450 for a ICE vehicle with 84MPG. Ultimately, never reached the required funding/loans to bring it to fruition. The proposed 2021 electric version w/156 miles range and $14,900 starting price is seemingly dead. The original Aptera never made it. Same for the Sondors electric, 2-passenger, 3-wheeler; DOA, due to lack of funding constraints. IMHO, it was a beautiful vehicle.

The $18,500 Electra Meccanica Solo just started production in Mesa, AZ last week; just a few miles away from me. The range (100 miles) and size doesn’t work for my needs. If they built a Duo, with longer range, then it would be interesting to compare to Aptera.

[Pragmatic_to_a_Fault]

I ordered my Aquam EV , whomever delivers first wins.

[ROMAD]

Fail.

NOT solar charged.

Not fully enclosed.

A Sono Sion would be a better vehicle than this.

[Pragmatic_to_a_Fault]

@ Dennis

It’s not a fail , in fact, for me it’s a smarter choice.

I sat back and thought about the down sides to aptera.

1) 2” of ground clearance ( wheel pants )

I live where there will be snow deeper than. 2” so I have to keep a vehicle for winter.

So I’ll really only be commuting ( my original reason for purchase ) spring summer and fall

Aquam will be fine spring summer and fall. As I wouldn’t be driving the aptera is rain, snow or ice.

2) 88” wide

I live in an area where there are skinny streets, skinny parking spots and cars parked on both sides of the street.

The aptera is going to be too wide to navigate safely. If I wanted a dually or a semi-truck width vehicle, I would buy a dually pickup or a semi-truck.

As for the “doesn’t solar charge” being a fail ?

Solar charging is a total fail, solar panels are at best 23% efficient in full sun at 90* angle, how many minutes a day is the sun going to be at a direct 90* to the car ? Cloudy days? Rain? Covered in snow ?

I’ll say it again

This car is being designed and built for a specific region, sunny California and the desert south west, by people are focused on making it the most efficient vehicle possible in a specific area.

If you live where there will be a dusting of snow the wheel pants are going to plow and clog and at that point you are stuck.

[ROMAD]

Patrick, you did see that they raised the pants on the Delta?

Sounds like you might look at a Bolt as it seems to be a better year ’round vehicle for you.

I live in Prescott, AZ and so far we’ve had two snow falls of about 2 – 3 inches. I usually stay home for a day or two until it has mostly melted and the streets are plowed.

[jesthorbjorn]

That’s a new one to me. Pretty much vapor-ware at this point but looks cool enough from a classic sport-race car aesthetic. Much the same market appeal as a Slingshot, I’d guess.

I imagine performance rather than efficiency from the design. Probably pretty light at least so there’s that.

They are going to have the same issue with the headlight as Aptera.

I don’t see any specs or cost claims so can’t even guess at any of that.

To each their own but I think I will stick with the Aptera. It rains around here a lot…

[Greek]

Interesting looking, but very limited for 95%+ of the population.

1st off…single seat

2nd…limited to just over 100 mile range

3rd…single motor rear wheel drive, pretty much guarantees it will be useless in northern climates. One rear wheel pushing the two front wheels in snow should be comical.

4th…slow compared to vehicles of todays standard 0-60…10+ seconds

I do give it one large advantage over APTERA…more of a city car at just over 10’ long.

My thinking, I can’t really drive it in Chicago, same as my motorcycle in the winter, but at least on my bike I can add a passenger.

• This reply was modified 4 months, 4 weeks ago by  John Voules.
• This reply was modified 4 months, 4 weeks ago by  John Voules.

[jesthorbjorn]

Okay. Wondering now what you are looking at John? Patrick’s Aquam EV is pretty clearly a two seater. Something inclined me to expect that it was AWD but I am not finding that again. Not sure where you found the RWD and the rest of your specs. The website looked conveniently vague (even vacuous) to me. Don’t really care enough to look harder.

https://www.aquam-ev.com/about/

[Greek]

Yoinks…I was referring to an Electra Meccanica Solo.

[Greek]

Not sure why anyone would compare an open cockpit to an enclosed vehicle? These vehicles are typically for pleasure driving…for those who can’t or won’t ride motorcycles, not sure if it even becomes a buying choice for those who want a Miata or something similar. Totally apples and oranges in comparison with an APTERA.

[ROMAD]

I’ve loved my Miata since I bought it on 16 Jul 89 and it won’t be replaced by the Aptera.

[Greek]

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