MemberAugust 31, 2021 at 7:19 pm
So as the end of August sets in and September fast approaches we are just about to tick over to 120 days until the very end of 2021.
The goal of Aptera as has been stated several times and stands as delivering the first customer vehicle by the end of 2021.
With that in mind I thought it would be helpful to highlight all the things we want to see from Aptera before the 120 day mark.
Of course the information sharing will need to step up to a much more rapid pace (certainly weekly but likely much faster with only 17 weeks left in the year.)
Now not everyone of these will be done by Aptera directly but most will. Here are 40 that I could come up with:
Do you have any you would like to Add?
1 Beta Vehicles
2 Gamma Vehicles
3 Delta Vehicles
4 Real Road Testing
5 Full Solar config Charging Tests
6 Vehicle Testing by Elaphe to fine tune their motors for Aptera
7 Battery Config and BMS
8 AWD vs FWD comparisons on the Race Track and Off road
9 Final Door and Window Design
10 Crash Testing
11 Real Capacity Battery and Range Tests. (ie 70mph – 400Mile Range for 400 Mile unit)
12 Real User Interface of center display
13 Navigation, and Maps support
14 Charging Support
15 Running the vehicle in Reverse.
16 Real Turning Radius and capabilities. (Tank mode?)
17 Lift Gate and Doors opening and closing via App?
18 Wraps actually on the Aptera (Can we specify any custom 3M 2080 Wrap?)
19 Real Interior Design (Colors, Combinations, Possibilities with customized option)
20 Final Seat Designs
21 Number of Cup holders 🙂
22 Driving at speed and sounds in the Cabin (How quiet is it?)
23 Data and connections available for those of us who want to enhance our Aptera.
24 Air Conditioning Stress test (in the Desert with 100 DegF outside)
25 Heating Stress Tests (in the cold of the Mountains in sub-zero temperatures)
26 Regen and One Pedal Driving
27 Windshield Wipers
28 Default Audio vs Upgraded Audio
29 Camping Kit on a vehicle
30 Dog Kit on a vehicle
31 SafetyPilot Upgrade (what does it give you)
32 Off Road Kit on a vehicle
33 Test Drives by outside parties
34 Camera config (Just Vision or does the Safety Pilot upgrade include Radar or Infrared Cameras?)
35 Loading up a Real Aptera to truly gauge space (suitcases, groceries Etc)
36 Parking Tests
37 Side by Side comparisons with competing vehicles (Model 3, ID 4, Mach E)
38 Phone App Design and Support?
39 Vehicle to Load support
40 Headlights / Night Driving
MemberSeptember 1, 2021 at 4:14 pm
For Reference the only 2 things I had on the list back in June that I feel have been satisfied were:
a) New Investing in Aptera
b) New Website
Any other items that you feel really need to be explained/shown in the next 120 days?
MemberSeptember 2, 2021 at 12:59 am
Pretty lengthy list. I hope Chris & Steve have authorized some overtime for those folks!
MemberSeptember 2, 2021 at 2:44 am
For me one of the unknown factors is the cost to insure these cars. I would like to see aptera reaching out and discussing/informing insurance companies so that we can get better prices.
Another concern of mine is cost of replacement parts. If someone takes out a in wheel hub motor how much would it cost to replace.
MemberSeptember 2, 2021 at 9:00 am
The Elaphe M700s cost $2500 each, so somewhere around that for the entire motor/brake/hub unit.
MemberSeptember 2, 2021 at 10:30 am
I seriously doubt that the first delivery will be in 2021. How many new EVs launched on time. Has any Tesla vehicle launched on time? When was Rivian supposed to deliver a vehicle? How about Fiskar? Lucid? Lucid was supposed to deliver a vehicle in 2020. I think they might BARELY make the end of 2021.
MemberSeptember 2, 2021 at 1:08 pm
I am hopeful that the first Aptera models will get delivered by the end of this year. But with that said, I expect initial production to be very small, with it ramping up slowly next year.
MemberSeptember 8, 2021 at 5:20 pm
I expect no more than an handful of vehicles to be handed out this year, but likely only one. And in delivering just one vehicle they will have delivered on their commitents.
Then, in order to reach the 10K/year capacity by end of 2022.
Jan: 3 vehicles
Feb: 6 vehicles more
Mar: 12 vehicles more
Apr: 24 vehicles more
May: 48 vehicles more
Jun: 96 vehicles more
Jul: 192 vehicles more
Aug: 384 vehicles more
Sep: 768 vehicles more
Oct: 1,536 vehicles more
Nov: 3,072 vehicles more
Dec: 6,144 vehicles more
That would actually get them there.
MemberSeptember 2, 2021 at 8:15 pm
They may deliver one vehicle at the end of 2021 in order to fulfill original projections. It would probably be a single vehicle that will move under its own power but will still receive much finishing work after delivery.
MemberSeptember 4, 2021 at 5:38 pm
29 Camping Kit on a vehicle
– Not sure if this is the full Camping Kit but here is a video of them putting the cover on the back of a unit at Aptera HQ.
MemberSeptember 8, 2021 at 5:27 pm
I believe that is just an early prototype of a camping package for testing out fit. The materials are too flimsy and the netting was not as tightly woven as to keep beach bugs out. But it is still the concept. Other pictures of the camping package show something much more rugged and durable. I think that’s the objective and for what we will be paying.
MemberSeptember 5, 2021 at 3:07 pm
WOW nice..120 days.. I better start saving up I am close to #1..well kinda…LOL
MemberOctober 4, 2021 at 12:29 pm
I thought I was early and I’m number 910… which means I am going to wait at least another year which stinks. I was hoping to be the only Aptera in CO for a while.
MemberSeptember 7, 2021 at 11:17 pm
112 Days left Now and a little sneak peak about upcoming Beta Vehicles. (#1) Still sounds like they are a few weeks away.
And likely a new one for the list
41 – Factory Ramp/Optimization plans. (with a goal of 40 Vehicles per day plan which would be 10400 vehicles in a year (assuming 5 days a week and 52 weeks out of the year with a little buffer for holidays). Can Aptera really get to 5,000 or even 10,000 vehicles in 2022?
MemberSeptember 9, 2021 at 6:10 pm
MemberSeptember 21, 2021 at 5:41 pm
I would like to add to the list.
Will there be over the air updates for software?
Will there be cameras to record 360 degrees like Tesla’s sentry mode?
Will they be allowed to have cameras for side view mirrors?
Will they be allowed to use Tesla’s Supercharger network?
What is the payload limit?
Will there be driving events for reservation holders?
MemberSeptember 21, 2021 at 7:22 pm
Ted those are some great additions. I would love to hear those as well.
We are now down to 100 days before first delivery.
Really hoping the avalanche of details start coming out.
MemberSeptember 21, 2021 at 9:02 pm
I would consider it a very great success if they produce a total of 6,000 by the end of 2022!
At that rate they would well on there way to there 10k / year goal for 2023.
However, they still have a lot of hurdles to cross.
MemberSeptember 22, 2021 at 9:44 am
According to reddit: Aptera has signed the letter of intent for a 80,000 square ft factory in Carlsbad and a new smaller facility for beta builds. Carlsbad is 20 miles north of San Diego.
ModeratorSeptember 22, 2021 at 4:39 pm
Hi guys. Time to carefully reread the FAQ’s section of this website. Several of the questions asked here are answered there. For example, “What’s the payload limit?”
The main point I wanted to mention is that Aptera no longer plans to deliver any EVs by the end of the year. They, like every other auto maker, have been hit hard by COVID related part delays and shortages. Read the “When” question there. The answer hasn’t changed since this new web site and forum was launched.
Now they only expect to have the final production design completed by the end of this year. Nothing about customer deliveries in 2021.
First customer deliveries will be “sometime” in 2022.
Full production volume of 10,000 per year ( = 830 per month = about 40 per working day) is planned for the end of next year.
MemberSeptember 27, 2021 at 12:17 am
“When will we see 3rd party reviews of the Aptera handling at real highway speeds on an average highway *with* average road hazards?” It’s better to get this feedback in time to make changes than to risk bad reviews after the car is in production.
“How will damage to the fronts of the wheel cowlings be minimized?” I foresee these as the #1 repair because it will be hard to dodge debris with that 3rd wheel.
“How will a repair network be set up and who gets to develop a troubleshooting/repair manual?” Both sound fun but they can’t wait for long.
Aptera must nail the “simple” matters first. It cannot afford surprises. Good EVs are already available in the range of Aptera option pricing so that means the shortcomings must be minimal so attention is kept toward ultra-efficiency, solar charging, performance, and sleek design. I understand and support delaying production to work out potential image problems because negative stigma has often limited startups to just the early adopters. The potential is great if the execution is too.
MemberSeptember 27, 2021 at 8:13 am
When will Aptera start delivering preordered vehicles?
Aptera is working to have our production-intent vehicle design finalized by the end of 2021. The first vehicles delivered will be our Paradigm editions, starting with our 400 mile, FWD version. From there, we will look to scale production to a rate of 10,000 vehicles a year by the end of 2022.
MemberSeptember 30, 2021 at 10:34 am
Have you given any thought to distributing the first couple of months production around the country to increase visibility? California is an obvious first choice, but other areas could be good choices. Warmer climates first. Colder climates later as people get out on the roads.
ModeratorSeptember 29, 2021 at 4:18 pm
Not sure if this was a typo for its first half of 2021 filing but Aptera posted on 9/24 with the SEC:
As of June 30, 2021, the company has not yet generated any revenues. The company will not generate any revenues until a completed vehicle can be delivered to a customer. The company intends to do so before the end of 2022.
ModeratorSeptember 29, 2021 at 8:51 pm
I guess they can’t count all the money that’s rolling in from hats and tee-shirts, etc. ????
MemberSeptember 29, 2021 at 10:21 pm
I believe Aptera is doing every thing within their control to keep the published production schedule. They have a good production process from MR. Munro, they have hired an Exec with the right qualifications to manage logistics and production, they have a letter of intent for a large production facility, and it appears their fund raising will support the start of production and sustain until revenue flow from production even if delayed.
I fear that they will fall pray to the crumbling logistics infrastructure that is beginning to affect all manufacturing throughout the world. I am a member of a not for profit OR organization that does analysis for the Federal government. They have recently produced a report forecasting the imminent collapse of logistics supply chains. The long poles in the tent are shortages of ships and labor at the ports.
GM, Tesla etc. will suffer not just Aptera. GM has already suspended some manufacturing operations and Tesla the same delaying new model releases.
Of course not Aptera’s fault for missing schedule because of logistics pipeline issues. They have done a great job managing/ producing on a shoestring budget to this point. I expect they will do the best that can be done moving forward.
MemberSeptember 30, 2021 at 11:18 am
I think the global slowdown of manufacturing could be good for Aptera. This gives them some time to refine the vehicle and catch up while others are paused, and since they can begin deliveries with lower production numbers than others that is a benefit as well. Then once everything is back to the norm Aptera will be ready for it and not be as far behind as otherwise. That said, definitely want my car by this time next year if not sooner.