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  • Aptera App

     Paul Kirchner updated 1 week, 1 day ago 35 Members · 73 Posts
  • Jonah Jorgenson

    Member
    April 10, 2022 at 4:10 am

    Impressive independent work.

    I guess my view is the same as I expressed on the other thread related to this UI prototype.

    Aptera is building their own app. They are in the best position to do so as they understand all of the Aptera systems, software architecture, and sub system interfaces. Aptera can best and most efficiently construct the interfaces to these systems and the onboard UI to pull and display their concept of what information will be available to drivers. These videos display the tip of the iceberg, screen mockups. Most of a functioning app of this type is the large part of the iceberg under the water that interfaces with the Aptera software architecture.

    This UI also represents the concept of one person rather than a team. Aptera’s version will be developed collaboratively and iteratively with the engineering and marketing teams to be consistent with the Aptera message and in response to the results of marketing research.

    My last comment, I hope the creator of this prototype copywrites his design to protect his IP so nobody else can steal and use his ideas.

    • This reply was modified 5 months, 3 weeks ago by  Jonah Jorgenson. Reason: added missing word
    • This reply was modified 5 months, 3 weeks ago by  Gabriel Kemeny.
    • Bernard Dubuc

      Member
      April 10, 2022 at 10:07 am

      Hello Jonah

      My point is not about what this guy has developed but more about getting people to bring idea to what they would like to see in this kind of support app, I am with you when you say that the Aptera people are in a much better place to develop such an app.😉

  • Markus Schmid

    Member
    April 11, 2022 at 3:21 am

    BlazeTech announces joining Aptera now as a contracted UIUX designer.

    Congrats!

  • Konijnerd the Great

    Member
    April 11, 2022 at 9:37 am

    First of all, my compliments to the progress already made. It looks quite awesome, especially for first looks!

    Let’s use this thread to give feedback to Aptera and Blaze Tech to improve the mobile app.

    Please use as little discussion in this topic as possible, so no quote’s or reactions, to make it clear for everyone.

    In a reply, simply state the things that are wrong/buggy and feature or changing requests.

    You can find the mobile Aptera App here:

    https://www.figma.com/proto/zWcLgJvFORV9QZPjnMjBUv/Aptera-Companion-App

  • Konijnerd the Great

    Member
    April 11, 2022 at 9:43 am

    UI Improvements:
    – Make it simpler to see the current status of the vehicle. When clicking the lock/unlock button it should be showing “Your aptera is locked” or something else. Coloring it or showing “lock/unlock” makes it not 100% clear what the current status is.

    I’m thinking a design where icons are organised in a better menu and then the status are displayed somewhere else.

    Feature requests:
    Showing how much the solar panels are being of use for charging the car. Miles/km and of course watts being added. Perhaps with a intensity of sunlight on the roof effect.

    Bugs:

    At least on my desktop, when i go from home to a other menu, a white block slides down from top and stays in all menu’s except when i go back to the home screen.

    Thanks!

  • Scott

    Member
    April 11, 2022 at 10:26 am

    Hi Konjin, are you referencing the YouTube video of the app (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__syPHSxLh0) or a user interactive demo app of some kind? If the latter, can you please share where we can get it?

    • Konijnerd the Great

      Member
      April 11, 2022 at 11:13 am

      updated the first post with the link to the app. Please edit your post with your findings/opinions like how my post above you looks like!

  • kerbe2705

    Member
    April 11, 2022 at 11:18 am

    Is BlazeTech in this group? If not, how will they see this information?

    • John Malcom

      Member
      April 11, 2022 at 12:30 pm

      Apparently Aptera awarded a contract to Blaze and they have seen the comments on the forum

  • Joshua Rosen

    Member
    April 11, 2022 at 11:22 am

    I’ve also posted this on his Youtube video.

    Happy to see your announcement. Here is my list of critical features,

    Phone is the key, just like Tesla. That’s up to Aptera but please encourage them to support that.

    Preconditioning. This is critical in winter, not only does it save battery by heating the car with wall current but it has a couple of other important implications. Regen braking doesn’t work when the battery is cold, preheating before you leave means that you have regen immediately. This next function might not matter with the Aptera but on a Tesla the windows freeze shut which means you can’t open the door, preconditioning melts the ice which frees the doors. Aptera has fixed upper windows so that won’t happen but the door frame itself might stick (nobody knows yet) so this helps to fix it.

    Transfer Google Calendar events to the car. The calendar events contain the address and the time. Tesla does this through their app which reads the events from the calendar and then sends them to the car’s calendar. The car’s calendar link’s to the cars nav system. I use this to enter all of my destinations for every trip I do. We do weekly road trips which we are looking forward to doing in the Aptera. I enter the entire itinerary into my Google Calendar which makes it easy to route the trips. A secondary benefit is that it’s a work around for shortcoming’s of Tesla’s nav system. Tesla rolled their own nav and Aptera is doing the same so I wouldn’t be surprised if they have the same weaknesses. Google Maps has routing options and a choice of routes, Tesla doesn’t. On Google Maps I can tell it to avoid highways and I can pick the most scenic route, Tesla tries to force you onto highways no matter how undesirable that is. My workaround is to add stops on my itinerary that are on the route that I prefer, that forces the nav system to take the route I want.

    Android Support

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    Non critical features that I would like to have at some point.
    Have a record of trips and energy usage for each trip. I use Tezlab for this function for my Tesla. I want to know my miles/KWh, total KWh used, and cost if possible. On a Tesla that’s easy because the car records which Supercharger you used, how much energy you took and the rate for each Supercharger is known. This might be harder with CCS but if it’s at all possible please provide it.

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    • John Malcom

      Member
      April 11, 2022 at 11:52 am

      I think not just Android support. Must support Apple equally well. Some of what Joshua lists is Tesla centric, both he and I drive Teslas. Don’t think it should be so Tesla like either. Aptera is a fare different care than Tesla and should have an App expressing Aptera character and design. All of us Tesla drivers can adjust to the Aptera flavor. and the data available from the Aptera software architecture. When finished, the App should be more agnostic to both Apple and google.

      With a Bluetooth connection both Joshua and I can have our favorite Apple and Android Apps. To be clear, there are no plans for Android Auto (No longer available) or Apple Car Play for the first iteration of Aptera at this point

      • kerbe2705

        Member
        April 11, 2022 at 12:19 pm

        That statement is a little misleading: Android Auto – the stand-alone app – has been discontinued. The functions of Android Auto are now baked into Android Assistant so it does still exist, at least in spirit!

        😄

        • John Malcom

          Member
          April 11, 2022 at 12:33 pm

          Agreed. I was referring to the old auto app that was ubiquitous. Sorry to see it go. Was a good way to make android apps available to anyone with an android device. Now have to find a vehicle manufacturer that has embraced android integration or buy some third party device.

          I see some manufacturers are also integrating Amazon’s Alexa.

    • kerbe2705

      Member
      April 11, 2022 at 12:16 pm

      Google Calendar integration is a core function of Android Auto – I didn’t realize that the Tesla app could access GC! I understand that Tesla navigation is based on Google Maps, though.

      Here in the Deep South, preconditioning to COOL the cabin (and re-congeal the molten upholstery) is a necessity, although pre-heating is great for our week or two of winter…

      It’s interesting that the iPhone and Android phones have a fairly equal MARKET share but, because iPhones generally cost more than Android phones, these aren’t the pertinent numbers: In terms of actual phones, just over a quarter of all cell phones in use in the US are iPhones. So, yes, I agree: I hope the App-tera will be available for both platforms!

  • Paul Kirchner

    Member
    April 11, 2022 at 11:31 am

    How the price of Aptera stock is doing? Up, down, or jump out the window bad!

    • John Malcom

      Member
      April 11, 2022 at 11:43 am

      Steady as it is not publicly traded yet.

  • John Malcom

    Member
    April 11, 2022 at 11:37 am

    OK, I guess the announcement has been made on the forum by Blaze. I had expected an official announcement from Aptera as part of an update on vendor engagements but here it is. I deleted the statement that Blaze was not on contract . Hope that is true that we are not jumping the gun before contract signing is complete.

    Certainly good to share comments on forthcoming Aptera App for future enhancement.

    I am more concerned about other software development issues. I think we will get what Aptera has already developed or the design they are developing as the version of the App that will accompany the first production vehicle. The priority for software resources/budget should be going to engineering activities, either needed now functionality, systems integration, or defect remediation with retest. The App should be low or last priority as it can be an over the air update post production where other software issues need to be resolved before production. We need the Aptera operational software to work flawlessly.

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    • kerbe2705

      Member
      April 11, 2022 at 12:26 pm

      In terms of marketability, though, for many contemporary drivers the app is as important as the vehicle. I have no issues with parallel development, especially as the app is just another form of UI that provides access to the vehicle’s controls and systems.

      These days, UX plays a MAJOR role in product design: I’d venture that the young folks at Aptera are well aware of this, especially as they worked with Crank Software to design a UI for the vehicle before there was anything in the Alpha prototypes to connect to it! (Remember the “403” reading on the speedometer in all the early videos?)

    • Llewellyn Evans

      Member
      April 11, 2022 at 4:56 pm

      I deleted my comment – (it was kind of stupid)

  • Tim Dean

    Member
    April 11, 2022 at 12:30 pm

    The app is needed to monitor & set up the Aptera when the driver is not present.

    *Pre-heating/cooling (time & temps with pet & camping modes.

    *Monitor Sentry mode with individual camera feed access & event recording/playback.

    *Door & hatch unlock/open. Power open/close would be nice but not expected.

    *Battery temp & charge state w/leveled solar input.

    *Tire pressures.

    • Curtis Cibinel

      Member
      April 11, 2022 at 1:10 pm

      I would expect the app to be very minimal initially. Like the car itself the app can evolve over time.

      *Pre-heating/cooling (time & temps with pet & camping modes.

      – This is critical MVP for a mobile app companion. Pet mode would be nice but I wouldn’t expect it initially.

      *Monitor Sentry mode with individual camera feed access & event recording/playback.

      – Sentry mode will not be included initially per the interview with Chris/Aptera Owners Club

      *Door & hatch unlock/open. Power open/close would be nice but not expected.

      – Likely functional as a key but I would be very surprised to see any powered door movement

      *Battery temp & charge state w/leveled solar input.

      – Also part of MVP for a mobile app companion

      *Tire pressures.

      – Do we know if Aptera will have TPMS? Driving underinflated could be more problematic in a 3 wheel vehicle so I expect it probably will.

      • my_discord_number_is_0328 bloody stupid

        Member
        April 11, 2022 at 3:32 pm

        TPMS is good b/c if a tire starts leaking then u know it before it deflates too much while on the road

        • Bob Kirchner

          Member
          April 11, 2022 at 5:10 pm

          Especially essential when the vehicle does not carry a spare.

  • my_discord_number_is_0328 bloody stupid

    Member
    April 11, 2022 at 3:32 pm

    if their going to deal with phone OS updates they might as well replace infotainemnt screen or side mirror displays with phone?

    instead of built in interioir screen:

    its better value to have the graphic switch on the screen really big with a time delay so its not super quick to use where you can easily accdiently touch the wrong thing on teh screen quickly especially in a bumpy ride

    the switches are separated by pages that you can easily scroll through by swiping like how apple notifications page lets you swipe quickly around half way across screen, then it automatically scrolls to show the screen page so u dont have to be precise when ur scrolling through it like you’d need to with a laptop mousepad or as scrolling through a webpage article in touchscreen phone

    also user has option to plugin a microphone so the voice commands can work well despite wind noise etc even if his phone mic cant hear his voice properly

    software has voice recognition so loud music doesnt become read by the phone app unlike the users voice

    so no cost of infotainment hardware or switches are standard, microphone and plugin hard switch array are are options for those whod not buy teh car otherwise, such people will be rare anyway. a rectangular prism shaped bar replacing the dashboard mass is what the phone and acceories are attached to, acoery holding device is brought with accessory to hold the accessory to the bar. the bar can be structural support to teh car.

    tinted heads up display is better than normal spedometer b/c its closer to line of sight when looking out into the driving environment at windshield, but its also fairly easy to ignore when eyes are not focused on the display image. such can also be just a option if one is willing to have speedometer always showing on his phone, similar looking to tesla model 3

    the spedometer should be not simply a number and instead like normal dial with big marks on every 10mph bc that would allow quicker comprehension of speed number, after the location of dial and 10 mph markers that are near speed limit is memorized as happens easily after few interations or watch the dial(little amounts of effort add up over the driving experience, it makes teh difference between “this car feels better than the other so ill buy this instead b/c both cars are the equal to me otherwise”) . the speed limit mark can be marked with bigger mark by user (like a mark around 70mph for average American highways, a limit to abide by if there are police or cameras around. another mark at a 40mph or so could be used for most people, who drive on same roads every day for work etc). the dial also adds to sense of speed with less comprehension required vs reading numbers. the dial should be circular so the reading of teh speed limit happens always at a more central point, no need to comprehend the location of dial as much if the dial was moving in a more of a straight line similar to honda s2000 RPM counter.

    besides speed dial, a g force meter would help maintain momentum around turns with minimal braking for minimal regen(battery) and friction pad brake wear and max efficiency. the meter helps if teh car is too tightly sprung, so detecting teh grip limit without losing grip often is difficult for non sport car drivers. asea level slope display can show how steep a slope they are driving down or up of with just a line rotating and teh word “high” to the top right corver of this line. the front end of car is shown a a arrow to the line, shich rotates to show climbing up hill or driving down one. this lets people take advantage of slopes ot build momentum regardless of the illusion of being down a slope or whatever they might see in some landscapes

    the gamification encouraging efficient driving was vague, how would it look like? i guess itd show sea level changes of road so driver knows to build momentum on downhills(sometimes people cant tell when their on a slope b/c there isnt landscape reference to show visually that they are on a slope realtive to other slopes or flat surfaces) , maybe steering wheel position will be encouraged by HUD showing how to turn the car as a pathway arrows representing sides of the car. maybe g force meter to know the grip limit for car which is hard to sense for most people in tight suspension car, so u can carry speed without learning grip limits by small grip loss which will make most people fear limits. each of these can be turned off, ex. somone who knows how to maintain momentum around turns will only use sea level and maybe g force gauge.

    every time car starts up itd remind driver to maintain momentum with minimum acceleration quickness and braking and steering and braking for brakepad and tire life and effiency.

    ejd

  • Aaron Redus

    Member
    April 11, 2022 at 3:36 pm

    When I follow the link on both desktop and phone it just goes to a black screen

    • Curtis Cibinel

      Member
      April 11, 2022 at 3:57 pm

      Same – tried firefox, edge, chrome and my phone (also chrome). If they are playing with the prototype UI they may have broke it. I’ll recheck tomorrow because I certainly want to play with it myself.

  • Aaron Redus

    Member
    April 11, 2022 at 3:55 pm
    • Scott

      Member
      April 11, 2022 at 4:11 pm

      Thanks, Aaron! That link works.

  • John Malcom

    Member
    April 11, 2022 at 5:27 pm

    Looks like the flood gates are opened!

    What ever functionality is finally decided on, hope whoever manages software development and integration at Aptera keeps Implementation within budget and schedule with release concurrent with delivery of vehicles.

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  • Michael May

    Member
    April 18, 2022 at 7:35 pm

    Heh. And now he’s joined the Aptera team developing this app. Sweet.

  • John Malcom

    Member
    April 18, 2022 at 9:32 pm

    It will be interesting to see what the final result is and if will be released concurrent with the production vehicles. As of now no sentry mode according to Chris in his responses to Aptera Owners Club questions for early production vehicles. Perhaps an over air update.

  • Joe Lyddon

    Member
    August 22, 2022 at 1:21 pm

    It would be nice to see some videos showing how Apps are loaded and used…

    ie: Android phone… GPS… etc.

    How does the Aplera system use the Phone Apps… Or any APP?

    Brief procedures… not the nitty-gritty… Can ANY App be used?

    Thank you.

  • Ray Holan

    Moderator
    August 22, 2022 at 1:26 pm

    Hi, Joe. To the best of my knowledge, Aptera has not demonstrated app usage yet. It will probably have to wait for another couple of months until a final production model with all the bells and whistles is released.

  • Vernon Sinnott

    Member
    August 22, 2022 at 1:28 pm

    I would like to see a video on this as part of the Gamma roll out. I wonder if the Safety Pilot will be part of Gamma, or will it automatically download when ready?

    • OZ (It’s OZ, Just OZ)

      Member
      August 22, 2022 at 2:14 pm

      Safety Pilot will not be a part of the Gamma versions, and will very likely not ship wit the first production models, it should end up being a software update for those vehicles.

  • Colen Thomas

    Member
    September 21, 2022 at 3:42 am

    Will there be a fob for unlocking/opening doors, hatch and other features? I find that to be more convenient than accessing an app on my phone. While the knock knock feature is kind of cool, a fob is sometimes easier to use.

    • Gabriel Kemeny

      Moderator
      September 21, 2022 at 5:55 am

      As of now no, only an RFID card is the alternate unlocking method to the phone app.

    • Joshua Rosen

      Member
      September 21, 2022 at 7:51 am

      Hopefully they’ll do it exactly like Tesla, the car recognizes the phone’s Bluetooth and communicates with the app automatically. With a Tesla the car unlocks when you approach it and locks and rolls up the windows when you walk away, you don’t have to do anything.

  • Paul Kirchner

    Member
    September 21, 2022 at 8:45 am

    Not quite sure exactly how Blaze Studios was involved but he’s no longer “developing” the app. Not sure if this is old news to some.

    Apparently he was only doing research for it. At 6:40 of this video he says there’s a report of the research that’s available somehow from Aptera.

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