Aptera Delivery Schedule

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  • Aptera Delivery Schedule

     John Trotter updated 43 minutes ago 59 Members · 117 Posts
  • Christopher Morehouse

    Member
    May 20, 2022 at 7:50 pm

    Will Aptera ever post a production schedule to customers or investors? I’d be interested in seeing the companies progress towards keeping a planned schedule. Obviously their are delays, but what is the timeline for the production facilities getting tooled for lowr rate initial production and then full tooling, etc?

    • Harry Parker

      Moderator
      May 21, 2022 at 10:04 am

      The published production schedule is currently “customer deliveries starting before the end of 2022.”

      To meet that they need completed production prototypes for full testing by the end of this Summer. To do THAT they need 100% of their parts suppliers lined up with contracts in place before then.

      Chris Anthony has stated the speed of production rampup is dependent on the rampup of the supply of parts, which they can’t control. I’m guessing the limiting factor is probably the battery cells themselves, although it could be shortages of some electronic parts, like all the other car manufacturers are experiencing.

    • John Malcom

      Member
      May 21, 2022 at 1:52 pm

      Please realize that no vehicle manufacturer will furnish the information you want as it provides to much information to competitors and generates unfounded speculation. Aptera has provided unprecedented visibility into their development and testing process.

      • Christopher Morehouse

        Member
        May 22, 2022 at 1:19 pm

        I’m going to have to disagree with you there. Aptera is a company looking for both investors and customers to provide funding and pre-orders. For a product that has yet to come to market. They have missed their initial target to get to market, and are sharing information that they are still tooling up their assembly floor.

        Problems with sourcing vendors not withstanding, demonstrating they have a plan and not just a schedule (a schedule is not a plan), and can keep to it to a reasonable degree is not so much to ask for folks to out their money in your corner.

        You want people to place orders and believe your delivery estimates? You want investors to have confidence your product will make it to market, that’s how you do it.

        I’m not asking for their entire production schedule. Being able to say “this part of the line will be installed by August” and then seeing the that part of the line ready in August would go a long way. Honestly the only reason not to do that is fear you will miss your deadline, or uncertainty as to when you can actually accomplish any milestones. And that’s not a good place to be….

        • John Malcom

          Member
          May 22, 2022 at 2:01 pm

          Feel free to disagree.

          I believe it is obvious that they will not be sharing the information you would like to see and have their own reasons for not doing so. Just off of the top of my head with no research, I can’t think of any startup that would share all of that detail with the exception of sharing what ever information a venture capital company would want to see under a Non Disclosure Agreement with that company. They file the required disclosure reports with the SEC. Analyzing those reports should suffice for small to medium size investors. If you feel uncomfortable investing without the level of detail you seek, then you should not invest or commit to a reservation.

          Looking at others, there are around 20K reservations, 10K individual investors, and two venture capital engagements. All of the above growing. Certainly sufficient assurance of the viability of the enterprise.

    • Randy Donahue

      Member
      May 24, 2022 at 9:55 am

      My guess wouldn’t really matter. These start-ups are always a gamble so you put some money to be in line if it ever comes to production. I don’t even recall the time frame I put money into Elio Motors to get a pre-order. Automotive startups are the hardest thing to do. Even as far back as Tucker you see it being a challenge. I look at this as going to vegas. I put a bet down and if it ever comes to market, before I am dead hopefully, marvelous. If not I’m out $100 bucks. Better deal than Elio. That pre-order cost me $1,500.

      • Jim I

        Member
        May 24, 2022 at 10:07 am

        It actually matters quite a bit with Rivian. They even list what option packages are going to have to wait, etc. There’s a trim color they’re having a hard time with so no one has gotten a car with that. Then you add in to the mix that if they deliver a car to say Indiana and the owner doesn’t take delivery, they’re not going to then take that car and ship it to Florida for the next person in line, they’re going to find the closest person with that exact vehicle configuration and sell it to them.

        The upshot is you get people who have placed orders in December ’21 who have already gotten their trucks while people with ’19 reservations are sitting with an identical spec config still waiting.

        Most of this isn’t Rivian’s fault and I suspect Aptera is/will run into similar problems where they deliver wildly out of order.

  • Jesse Castro

    Member
    May 22, 2022 at 12:54 pm

    Copy that

  • Trevor Fernandes

    Member
    May 22, 2022 at 4:44 pm

    I live in Vancouver, BC snd more than happy to drive down to CA to collect my Aptera. I hope to start a YT channel dedicated to bringing more awareness to my local community and Canada at large about our extremely efficient vehicle.😃

    • John Malcom

      Member
      May 22, 2022 at 8:32 pm

      👍. We need more of you

    • Brent D.

      Member
      May 24, 2022 at 6:10 am

      What Canadians really need to do is petition the government to recognize that Aptera should be part of the EV rebate program and NOT be classified as a motorcycle (as it currently is in many provinces / territories), see the following posts with regard to the Aptera in Canada:

      • This reply was modified 1 month ago by  Brent D..

      EV Rebates in Canada / Information …

      • Curtis Cibinel

        Member
        May 28, 2022 at 9:41 am

        Given demand for all EVs is an absolute non-issue and is production limited an an industry their is little reason for government incentives. Instead they should increase new car taxes and reduce gas taxes. This would encourage keeping existing vehicles on the road, help the economy and avoid putting the government further in debt. I wouldn’t say no to a discount on my Aptera and it is definitely unfair that a Chevy Bolt gets an unfair incentive but getting added to the program is really the wrong solution. All incentive programs are probably on the chopping block as their costs rise with more EV production.

        • Brent D.

          Member
          May 29, 2022 at 6:49 am

          So naturally, the government will do the exact opposite of what you suggest. Once the 2022 budget is approved, the EV rebate program will get an injection of 1.6 billion (of our tax dollars) AND be extended until 2025.

          According to the Government of Canada Transportation site:

          Funding of $92,919,522 was provided on April 1, 2022, to continue the iZEV Program. Budget 2022 provides an additional $1.6 billion to continue the Program until March 31, 2025. This funding will become available once Budget 2022 is approved.

          It would be a wise (corporate) move for Aptera to (at least try) to get their vehicle on the iZEV Program list.

          • Curtis Cibinel

            Member
            June 15, 2022 at 11:40 am

            Even if they could convince the DOT (including US) to classify as a car then they would need to go through all the automotive testing. This could mean things like new marker lights, and testing (especially given atypical design). Even if classified as a car Aptera might still have difficulties getting on IZev because they would need to handle delivery, transactions and taxes in the province it is delivered. Tesla needed to use some loopholes to manage to be eligable for iZev. This would be a mountain of red tape for Aptera that would delay things by months even if they miraculously got both federal governments to redefine “car”.

            • Brent D.

              Member
              June 15, 2022 at 3:22 pm

              Yikes – are we saying the Aptera will never be classified as a “car”?!! Isn’t delivery, transactions and taxes just part of the production game? Not asking for any “delays” pre-production, however, once in production, it would be nice if both corporate (Aptera) and its customers lobbied the Canadian government to reconsider their definition of a “car”.

              If you were to take a sample of the general population and ask them what type of vehicle the Aptera is (car or motorcycle), I would bet more than 75% would simply say “its a car”. Having said that, I agree with you, it will still take a miracle for the government to rewrite the definition of a “car” !

              So much for a rebate. 🙂

            • Llewellyn Evans Evans

              Member
              June 15, 2022 at 3:32 pm

              Auto Cycle.

              Not car, not motorcycle (in USA).

              In Australia it is a Motor Tricycle. LEP2 or LEG2 if it is less than 1000kg ….. More than 1000kg it follows the same rules as a passenger vehicle.

              In Canada, you will have to look it up in the design rules for Canada.

            • Brent D.

              Member
              June 15, 2022 at 6:31 pm

              Already have – in Canada the Aptera is currently deemed a motorcycle – which will require a motorcycle license and helmet — I know — crazy !

            • Curtis Cibinel

              Member
              June 15, 2022 at 7:29 pm

              My understanding is (please correct me if I’m wrong):

              In Ontario you need a helmet but no motorcycle license and in Alberta you need a motorcycle license but no helmet. Every other province is fine. Hopefully these 2 provinces and the 2 states (I forget which) that have broken rules address them.

            • Brent D.

              Member
              June 16, 2022 at 6:56 am

              I emailed the government of Alberta (Alberta Transportation) back in March asking how an Aptera would be classified in Alberta, below was their response:

              All vehicles which have three wheels are considered motorcycles in Alberta. The driver of an Aptera vehicle will require a class 6 motorcycle license, and both the driver and passenger will need to wear motorcycle helmets.

              … moral of the story – make sure to check with your provincial regulator.

              Again, I would happily volunteer to drive an Aptera around the provincial parliament buildings giving rides to those politicians that feel the vehicle is a motorcycle !

            • Jim I

              Member
              June 16, 2022 at 7:49 am

              Is this really wrong though? It’s kind of a weird situation to be in. Aptera is very clearly a car but is also very clearly not going through all of the regulations necessary to be a car. Now you’re asking Alberta to be like, “ok let people drive them as cars!”

              We know that this thing should test well, but do we know it has? Can we present any proof at present?

              We’re the ones coming to the table and saying, “the system is outdated, we know a better way” which is great, but I also think it’s on us to prove it out. I think we wait until crash test results are in before we start banging on parliament, assembly and senate doors.

              -New Yorker, where it’s currently classified as a motorcycle in need of a special motorcycle license

  • Llewellyn Evans Evans

    Member
    May 28, 2022 at 4:13 am

    Do we know when the first Gamma vehicle is expected to be complete?

    • Ray Holan

      Moderator
      June 15, 2022 at 10:41 am

      Llewellyn, based on statements made in the latest Aptera video, it’s looking like that will happen in the next 3 months — I added a month and a half to the “about 6 weeks” that was stated in the video. Gentlemen, place your bets!

      • Russell Fauver

        Member
        June 27, 2022 at 6:20 am

        I’m guessing a website update displaying an interactive 3d gamma rendering on July 4. Independence Day would be a good day to show off their grid independent vehicle. I look for the real gamma to be displayed around the third week of July. Just guessing, not based on anything but wishful thinking.

    • Llewellyn Evans Evans

      Member
      June 15, 2022 at 2:30 pm

      Thanks Ray ….. Yep, 3 months sounds like the likely outcome.

      I am definitely coming to you for horse racing tips.🖖

    • Jonah Jorgenson

      Member
      June 15, 2022 at 2:39 pm

      I will bet sooner. $1,000 in an escrow account? Closest gets the whole pot. Any takers?🤨

  • Juan Castro

    Member
    June 15, 2022 at 3:02 pm

    It will happen when it happens. There are things you can control and things you can’t. I probably don’t have the resources that most of you have, so I just feel blessed to be here for the ride.

    • Jonah Jorgenson

      Member
      June 17, 2022 at 7:21 am

      A big resource is a good attitude. You have that much more than many posters here. Thanks for setting a good example.

  • Gabriel Kemeny

    Member
    June 16, 2022 at 5:14 pm

    One thing I don’t recall being mentioned is that when start up EVs say they will start delivering vehicles to customers, they rarely mention that very likely those “customers” are their employees. Companies like Rivian, Lucid and likely others delivered their first customer cars to their employees – I suspect with the de-contenting and pre-production nature of the first batch of vehicles, they’ll go to Aptera employees.

    • Ray Holan

      Moderator
      June 17, 2022 at 5:30 am

      Interesting speculation, Gabriel. Time will tell.

    • Llewellyn Evans Evans

      Member
      June 19, 2022 at 1:06 am

      It would certainly cut down on whinging customer complaints …. and give them solid, informed feedback to the production line to resolve issues before they start going to customers.

      Bloody smart idea.

  • J T

    Member
    June 19, 2022 at 4:14 pm

    Hello Kayleigh,

    When I try to put down a reservation, it won’t let me submit without
    putting in my CC info even though I got a coupon code to zero out the
    $100 reservation fee. Another person had a coupon code that zeroed out the $100 reservation fee but his CC was charged anyway and he has not heard back about getting it refunded. How do I get around putting in my CC info?

    Thank you!

    • This reply was modified 1 week, 2 days ago by  J T.
  • John Johnson

    Member
    June 20, 2022 at 12:13 pm

    As I told my friends when I got in, it may be Deja’vue all over again for Aptera. Economy is crashing fast and maybe a WW3 problem too. We will see. Bets?

  • BRUCE MENGLER

    Member
    June 22, 2022 at 6:54 pm

    The schedule continues to be re-re-revised farther into the future. I reserved my Paradigm early on the morning of Dec 4, 2020. Up until recently the Aptera posted delivery schedule was 2022 – 2023. Now is says 2023.

    A few hours ago I got a email from Aptera with the Subject line “Update on your Paradigm order”

    Below a line from the message to me. “As our founders mentioned during our webinar, it is our goal to deliver a production-ready vehicle by the end of 2022 and ramp quickly in 2023.” To me the KEY point is “a production-ready vehicle by the end of 2022”. From which I conclude the no real customer will get an Aptera in 2022. BUMMER!

    FWIW – My order number is10026 & I live about 15 miles from the Aptera Assembly building.

    The question I would like answered is as follows.
    Will I get my Aptera in Q1 2023? I certainly hope so!

    • John Voules

      Member
      June 22, 2022 at 9:27 pm

      Thank you for sharing…for me it’s more proof that this vehicle will be built. Sorry for your wait though…I still envy you…#16949

  • David Marlow

    Member
    June 23, 2022 at 2:22 am

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    It is now clear to me that Aptera can not know for sure about an actual production start date until they know the production dates from the suppliers of each of the parts they need. So if they know they have all but one of the parts they need except for one, will they start ramping up production without that part? I suppose with firm assurances that that part is on the way they might, but as they will not have the funds to produce even one hundred without that part, they would have to stop.

    So until Aptera knows for sure, we will not.

  • Edward Jackson

    Member
    June 26, 2022 at 6:35 pm

    In order to have production by 2023 they need to have several dozen drivable beta versions on the road now. It seems to me the final design is not even fully formulated yet. As a retired engineer, I have serious doubts about any product in early 2023. There still seems to be a slight wiff of scam or naivety here. Hope it all works out.

    • Riley ________________________________

      Member
      June 26, 2022 at 9:37 pm

      I both agree and disagree. My pessimistic side says your correct and there is no way aptera can meet its very optimistic production goals without first meeting the steps required under a standard vehicle production process.

      On the other hand I am optimistic that with their very unique design approach they can thread the needle towards success. from my perspective the composite body, simple Elaphe powertrain, high efficiency, and low automation production line will all come together to allow them to slowly ramp and deliver a profitable automobile.

  • Johnny Acree Acree

    Member
    June 27, 2022 at 6:02 pm

    With 185 days +- days left till the end of the year, is there a time line , count down, schedule of what needs to happen when in order for Aptera to deliver at least one production unit by the end of the year?

    And is Aptera on schedule now?

    • Llewellyn Evans Evans

      Member
      June 27, 2022 at 6:49 pm

      That is a question that anyone who as worked in product development will tell you is impossible to answer.

      You bust your ass to meet task deadlines, sometimes you beat them. Most of the time you don’t beat the project deadline because there are so many sub tasks and if one is not met then the project is late.

      That is the reality.

    • Riley ________________________________

      Member
      June 27, 2022 at 10:31 pm

      Aptera plans to deliver 1 car by the end of the year even if its hand built and missing a few features. As long as it’s a functional car it will be a win.

      • Llewellyn Evans Evans

        Member
        June 28, 2022 at 12:33 am

        Yep, an amazing achievement whenever it is delivered.

  • John Trotter

    Member
    June 29, 2022 at 7:35 am

    I know EXACTLY when my Aptera will be delivered: New Year’s Eve, 2023. Because my login says “Expected Delivery Date: Between 2023 and 2024” and that only exist momentarily on NYE. Works for me.

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