Aptera Delivery Schedule

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  • Aptera Delivery Schedule

  • Sam Adams

    Member
    August 6, 2022 at 5:55 pm

    I think they’re being conservative with that 40. I recall Chris saying with a head count of 12, they’ll build one every 2 hours. But maybe I’m mistaken.

  • Llewellyn Evans

    Member
    August 6, 2022 at 6:32 pm

    Hi Selvan, The rate is determined by the slowest step in the process. In chemistry we call it the rate determining step. This is the amount of time it takes at the slowest station in the production line. You can make the entire line faster if you reduce the time in just that one step. This may be done by doing that step at multiple stations in parallel or by moving some of the tasks performed in that station to an earlier or later station in the production line.

    • Sam Adams

      Member
      August 6, 2022 at 7:47 pm

      It takes a village

    • Jared Cormier

      Member
      August 8, 2022 at 2:21 pm

      Because the lines are “virtual” on AGVs, you can actually have a second station line spun up for the slowest station.
      Traditional assembly has to be 1->2->3->4 whereas this could be something like 1->2;2->3->4 where you have multiple station 2’s but all the other stations are in series. Not saying they’re doing this, but it does give more flexibility in scale-up. The down-side to this is that you cannot fully optimize and automate assembly as much as you can with the traditional setup, but with so few subassemblies for final assembly, that shouldn’t really be an issue.

    • Paul Brand

      Member
      August 23, 2022 at 12:32 pm

      This (the rate determining step) sort of sounds like the Theory of Constraints by Goldratt

      Theory of constraints – Wikipedia

      Interesting concept – refinement of production by looking for bottlenecks, making adjustments, then re-examining the process

      • Jonah Jorgenson

        Member
        August 23, 2022 at 4:45 pm

        Goldratt is old hat now. The approach used for years is applying queuing model simulation in combination with Value Stream Mapping to identify and eliminate the seven wastes and optimize the process as a part of Lean Six Sigma. For Aptera, since the process is new, they would instantiate the designed process in the simulation then iterate to improve/optimize the first iteration of the physical process. Train the physical process, then iterate again until the physical process was optimized based on a set of technical/business evaluation criteria specified before the the beginning of the project.

      • Fanfare 100

        Member
        September 3, 2022 at 7:13 am

        I was once an assistant Production Controller for the assembly of satellites. We used to call that a “Critical Path”. If we could address and speed up critical paths then we would significantly speed up the delivery of assemblies to their next higher assembly.

        Unfortunately, some critical paths were supplies and inventory. Does Aptera have all of its supply chain ironed out yet i prep for mass-production?

        • Jack Frost

          Member
          September 3, 2022 at 8:08 am

          They must be busy prepping for the 10th but some recent updates would be nice and not too much to ask for. I noticed on the ambassador side of this same thread, there hasn’t been activity for 6 months.

  • David Sutton

    Member
    August 9, 2022 at 9:35 pm

    Seems to me if you guys would go to the big East Coast car shows [Charlotte] for example you would increase revenue potential exponentially. Seeing is believing. Also when I read the number of current orders, at your 40 per day numbers, it will take 4.7 years to fulfillment with no more orders?????

    Thank God I’m no where near 70 Hahahaha

  • Faisal Anwar

    Member
    August 10, 2022 at 2:21 pm

    Hello, I will not be eligible for the ev tax credit for the Aptera purchase when the latest bill passes congress due to income limits. Can a binding agreement be signed now to Lock in the $7500 credit under the current law? Rivian is offer a binding agreement now to lock in the tax credit under current law.

    • Norman Roberts

      Moderator
      August 10, 2022 at 3:49 pm

      How can they lock it in ?? Current law is a credit on your taxes and the vehicle would have to be delivered before end of year

    • OZ (It’s OZ, Just OZ)

      Member
      August 10, 2022 at 4:13 pm

      Faisal, as I read it, Rivian is basically writing immediate binding contracts to take advantage of the current tax rebate. I can think of a number of reasons that most people would not want to do that for an Aptera at this time, and for Aptera not to want to as well. However the most important one is that I don’t believe Aptera would be eligible for the current rebate. (Anyone have any input on that?)

    • Harry Parker

      Moderator
      August 10, 2022 at 6:48 pm

      Sorry, but the current federal EV tax rebate applies only for 4 wheeled vehicles. Motorcycle and autocycles llike Aptera aren’t eligible at this time. (They were until 5 years ago or so.)

      There is still hope the current bill that passed the Senate will be revised by the House to include electric autocycles like Aptera. But don’t count on it.

  • Vernon Sinnott

    Member
    August 10, 2022 at 7:07 pm

    Since Canada is the USA’s biggest trading partner will we be included in 2023 deliveries?

    • John Voules

      Member
      August 10, 2022 at 7:43 pm

      I would think Mexico would be closer geographically to Carlsbad. Canada May also have greater issues with importing this category of vehicle.

      • Vernon Sinnott

        Member
        August 10, 2022 at 7:56 pm

        We have other 3 wheeled vehicles here (Can Am Spyder, Electromechanica Solo). Most provinces have autocycle designation but I’m from Alberta and it doesn’t.

      • Curtis Cibinel

        Member
        August 10, 2022 at 8:30 pm

        BC has more evs per capita than California and Quebec isn’t far behind. Alberta and some maritimes have dumb rules for 3 wheelers but no reason to ignore an entire major ev market. Seattle is also a big ev market and is basically spitting distance from Vancouver.

        • Vernon Sinnott

          Member
          August 10, 2022 at 8:33 pm

          In Alberta we need a motorcycle license & need to wear a helmet in the Aptera. That needs to change.

          • Curtis Cibinel

            Member
            August 16, 2022 at 2:55 pm

            Agreed. I’ll need to dip into the US to go across the country due to this or chose to risk it (how many cops will be that in the know 😉). Definitely needs to get fixed.

            • Vernon Sinnott

              Member
              August 17, 2022 at 9:10 pm

              If Alberta doesn’t change their legislation, I will have no choice but to wait on a 4 wheel version of Aptera. You currently need your own motorcycle to take the test for the class 6 motorcycle license. I tore my shoulder up 8 years ago on a 2 wheeler. Could test on a 3 wheeler but don’t have one, or access to one.

            • Curtis Cibinel

              Member
              August 17, 2022 at 9:19 pm

              Even dumber for those that live out of Alberta and want to pass through. I can’t do a motorcycle test in an Aptera in BC. I’d need to borrow a motorcycle to do my test in Bc, pay the test fees and buy helmets to wear in Alberta; lunacy.

  • Patrick Liebknecht

    Member
    August 12, 2022 at 8:03 am

    @ Harry

    The new federal tax law being voted on now. Excludes 70% of all EVs on the market today and in 1 year when the guidelines change and it ramps up. NO EV will be eligible for the new tax credit under the recession rescue plan. Google it , there are many articles on it. It has to do with the guideline I’d where they batteries come from and the components. So even if we buy all the pieces from China and assemble the batteries here. The car still doesn’t qualify.

    • Harry Parker

      Moderator
      August 14, 2022 at 6:40 pm

      Bummer!☹

    • Llewellyn Evans

      Member
      August 14, 2022 at 6:45 pm

      Sounds like they are trying to kickstart a battery industry in USA. Is that realistic? (I am an Aussie)

  • Shawna Williams

    Member
    August 16, 2022 at 1:55 pm

    I made a reservation over the weekend, but I have no confirmation email. I do have the debit on my credit card. Please help!

    • Llewellyn Evans

      Member
      August 16, 2022 at 2:23 pm

      Hi Shawna, it is going to be OK. Keep an eye on your Dashboard and when it is processed the payment will show on the website.

    • Vernon Sinnott

      Member
      August 16, 2022 at 2:41 pm

      Click on the 3 horizonal lines – top left and scroll down and click on contact us. Leave Aptera a message.

    • Sam Adams

      Member
      August 16, 2022 at 3:21 pm

      If it’s any consolation, I did not receive one either.

  • Mike Shen

    Member
    August 23, 2022 at 8:20 am

    If Aptera is conscious about environmental impact with EV, shouldn’t company focus more on 250 Mile model introduction instead launching 400 Mile model first? 250 mile uses less battery than 400 mile this cause less impact to our environment. With charging capabilities, 250 mile plus solar should be more than sufficient for most people Right??

    • John Voules

      Member
      August 23, 2022 at 8:28 am

      From a marketing stand point for the future of APTERA it is important for them to start off with a vehicle that surpasses the vast majority of evs that are presently available. A 30k vehicle that achieves 400 miles blows the market away and gives great attention to the startups first vehicle. This also achieves a slightly better profit margin for the startup. 250 mile version is next, at the end of it all, it may be the the most popular iteration.

    • Joshua Rosen

      Member
      August 25, 2022 at 9:09 am

      There is nothing compelling about the 250 mile version. Every EV on the market can do 250 miles, why buy a car from a startup when you can buy from an established maker that has a dealer network to support it. I’ve ordered the 600 mile version because it’s a game changer. A car that can go > 450 real world miles will never need to be fast charged, the only other car that can do that is the Lucid Air and that’s priced well North of a hundred thousand.

      • John Voules

        Member
        August 25, 2022 at 9:28 am

        Joshua, you don’t find the body of the APTERA compelling?…There will be buyers alone who will buy it just because of the cool factor. Not everyone can afford a 30k or more for primary or second vehicle.

        Although I do like the 600 mile range you have ordered. The 250 range would work great for many people who do not drive much to commute and may need to park outdoors. Solar panels will keep them topped off…not everyone needs the larger battery.

        I personally ordered the 400 and 1k model. I also know that the reason APTERA chose to do the 250 mile range vehicle after the initial 400 mile startup is to get as many cars as possible out in the market for exposure.

        Level 2 charging is great but there is still going to be a pretty long sit if you drive like me and do 1000 miles plus in a day between 75-80 miles an hour.

        • Joshua Rosen

          Member
          August 25, 2022 at 9:59 am

          They will have DC fast charging, if you really do 1000 miles in a day then you won’t find much of a benefit beyond the 400 mile version, certainly the 600 is as good as it needs to be. The only way to do 1000 miles in a day is on Interstates where there is already very good coverage for the CCS network and of course Tesla has complete coverage. What range buys you on a trip like that is the ability to be able to skip broken CCS chargers. With Tesla charger reliability isn’t an issue, they just work. In my three years of owning a Tesla, doing road trips every weekend in good weather, I’ve encountered one bad cabinet but of course there were six more plugs to choose from so it was a non issue. If you watch the Youtube channels like Out of Spec, Inside EVs and TFLEV, that’s not the case with CCS. EA almost always has broken chargers, sometimes all of them are broken. What Aptera’s range gives you is the ability to get to the next charger and the charger after that, with that amount of redundancy the unreliability of EA won’t be a problem.

          My use case is different from yours. I do long day trips around New England every Saturday. My trips are about half highway and half back roads, most are 300-350 miles and occasionally 450 miles. I have a Tesla so charging hasn’t been a problem, all of New England has adequate coverage and because the Supercharger network is completely reliable I don’t worry about being able to charge. However because Superchargers don’t have the density of gas stations I still have to plan my trips. We combine Supercharging with bathroom stops so it’s not much of a burden but never the less it is a task that I never had to do when I had a gas car. With the Aptera I won’t have to plan at all, we can just go. We’ll go back to using Duncan Donuts as our bathroom stop, DDs are more common than gas stations so no planning is needed.

      • Jonah Jorgenson

        Member
        August 25, 2022 at 10:00 am

        I am not sure we recognize you as the arbiter of Aptera variant suitability, especially if you think there is nothing compelling about the 250mi variant.

        It may not be suitable for your use case, but the Aptera is compelling regardless of range because of its amazing efficiency. The price point of the 250mi variant is VERY compelling. Puts Aptera in range of less affluent buyers thus expanding the volume of EVs on the roads. With the charging infrastructure improving, range becomes less important. The 250 variant is very suitable for suburban commuting. The Bolt and other EVs that have ranges close to 250mi sell well but have much higher prices.

        With limited battery availability, the 250 variant also affords Aptera the ability to manufacture and sell more vehicles for a given level of battery supply.

        • Joshua Rosen

          Member
          August 25, 2022 at 10:03 am

          The Bolt is about the same price, has the same range, has several dealer’s within a 15 minute radius of most people plus it has Android Auto and Apple Car Play. It’s not cool like the Aptera but as an economic proposition it’s equivalent and of course you can get one right now.

          • Jonah Jorgenson

            Member
            August 25, 2022 at 10:10 am

            So you are saying the Bolt and 250 mi variant of the Aptera are of equal value? Don’t agree.

            The Aptera has a much greater value. The bolt is not efficient, takes longer to charge, and has no free solar capability. By the way, you can not get a Bolt “Right now” in the central Florida market. No inventory at dealers and 2023s have not shipped yet. Average dealer “Market Adjustment” if one is in stock is $4,500 above the MSRP for 2022s.

            • Curtis Cibinel

              Member
              August 29, 2022 at 7:49 pm

              Every vehicle has unique strengths and weaknesses. I wouldn’t buy a Bolt (or Volt) but I know 4 people which quite like them. Aptera isn’t a family car and is a bit wide. For my purposes I’m stoked to get my unique solar sports car that has enough room to camp in the back and can effectively charge with 120V; no other EV can match these advantages even for 2x the price.

            • Michael Kahlow

              Member
              August 31, 2022 at 4:36 pm

              I reserved an Aptera a while ago. Since then, I’ve purchased a Bolt and put 14,000 miles on it. It replaced a Prius that had 330k miles. My cost per mile for the Bolt is about 1/4 of that for the Prius – and that’s not counting Prius oil changes and other maintenance that the Bolt doesn’t need.

              Would my cost be less with an Aptera? Sure it would be. And if Aptera had met their original estimate for delivery (remember delivery by the end of 2021? I do – that was what Aptera was saying when I made my reservation), I might have bought one – instead of the Bolt.

              And BTW there are more than a few new Bolts for sale within 50 miles of my home, so at least some of us can still buy one right now.

          • Dave Copps

            Member
            August 30, 2022 at 11:09 pm

            But who wants a Volt?? the charging cables overheating, the instrument cluster flickering or blacking out altogether and faulty fuses causing the backup camera and reverse lights to fail.the charging cables overheating, the instrument cluster flickering or blacking out altogether and faulty fuses causing the backup camera and reverse lights to fail.

            Otherwise a great car!

            • Harry Parker

              Moderator
              August 31, 2022 at 2:17 pm

              Well, I love my Gen 1, 2014 Volt (not a Bolt.) I’ve had none of the problems you mentioned. Almost 9 years old with 145,000+ miles and no serious problems (except those caused by suicidal deer). I did hear the newer Gen 2 Volts has more problems. We can only hope the Aptera is as reliable as a Gen 1 Volt. It should be, with no gas engine nor transmission nor gas nor oil or … .🙂

            • John Malcom

              Member
              August 31, 2022 at 4:30 pm

              I had a gen I volt. Put 125,000 miles on it and gave it to a son and his family. Now at 175,000 mi and still running strong. Change the oils and tires when needed and it just keeps running. I think your information on volt defect is fake news😃

            • Jonathan Sek

              Moderator
              September 29, 2022 at 2:46 pm

              My 2013 Volt with 120,000 miles is also going strong. Fantastic bargain for the price I got it used in 2014.

  • Mitchell B. Glashofer Glashofer

    Member
    August 23, 2022 at 12:21 pm

    Thank you for that update, I look forward to my first interaction with the Aptera team as well as all of my fellow owners and earth lovers in general.

  • Jason Decker Decker

    Member
    August 27, 2022 at 9:58 pm

    I really hope I get the one I ordered. I can’t wait. I hope everything goes well. Thank you. Jason Decker.

  • Daniel A Corleto Corleto

    Member
    August 29, 2022 at 2:51 am

    I too am in the “hope I’m still around when my number comes up”. Seems like something else breaks every day (on me, not my auto … lol 😜)

  • Ray Bennett

    Member
    August 29, 2022 at 4:26 pm

    When I registered 1 year ago, I gave my chances of ever seeing my Aptera at about 50%. Now I put it at about 85%. Aptera isn’t the limitation, I am. I just turned 83 and it will be a matter of will the car get here while I am healthy enough to drive it. I think Aptera is doing an excellent job on their side of this equation. We’ll see how I do on my side.

    • Vernon Sinnott

      Member
      August 29, 2022 at 7:33 pm

      I hope you get the pleasure. I’m only 69 but I just learned I have pinholes in both retinas. Have a checkup in November.

  • James Bianco Sr

    Member
    September 6, 2022 at 2:01 pm

    At 45 years young, I’m anxiously waiting for the updated schedules to be solidified. However, knowing this will be fluid with supply chain issues and typical manufacturing delays that WILL occur, I’m not going to expect delivery until late 2023 to mid 2024. I reserved a 400 mile version as my use case doesn’t justify a larger size battery. I could let it charge out in the sun for a day and still get to and from work. If I could get it any sooner, I’ll probably burst with excitement!

    I’ve been a gas hog for a while in sports cars (show weekenders). This Aptera will be a head turner at shows on release and I can’t wait!

  • Charles Aschmann Aschmann

    Member
    September 14, 2022 at 6:40 pm

    Is there a breakdown on the order of model delivery projections? I know the 500 mile model is first, followed by other models. Is there an order?

    Are there features that will hold up delivery at this point? Are there features that will assure a speedier delivery?

    Thank you.

    • OZ (It’s OZ, Just OZ)

      Member
      September 14, 2022 at 7:07 pm

      A: Is your order # in the first 5,000? (Before very early 2021)

      B: If No…Don’t worry about it.

      • Ray Bennett

        Member
        September 15, 2022 at 10:15 am

        In response to my query, they said I was number 10704. The configuration I ordered happens to be the one they are going to deliver first. Where does that put me? I have no idea.

        • OZ (It’s OZ, Just OZ)

          Member
          September 15, 2022 at 10:48 am

          Most important thing to know to figure anything out, the date (Or approximate date) you placed your order.

    • Ray Bennett

      Member
      September 15, 2022 at 10:19 am

      They said the first deliveries would be 400 mile battery, full solar, Silver color, 2 wheel drive. Next was supposed to 250 mile battery followed by 600 mile then finally the 1000mile.

      • OZ (It’s OZ, Just OZ)

        Member
        September 15, 2022 at 10:50 am

        Who is they? Color is not a factor (Except possibly for custom colors)

      • Howard Harris

        Member
        September 15, 2022 at 1:19 pm

        Last weekend Chris confirmed they were making the AWD first as 75% of there orders fall into that category.

        • OZ (It’s OZ, Just OZ)

          Member
          September 15, 2022 at 2:04 pm

          Citation Needed.

        • Sam Adams

          Member
          September 20, 2022 at 5:27 am

          I heard it too, the AWD, but I didn’t pay enough attention to quote the percentage.

        • Jonathan Sek

          Moderator
          September 29, 2022 at 2:48 pm

          I ordered AWD, but this is the first I’ve read about it going into production before FWD Paradigm.

  • Heidi Strayer

    Member
    September 15, 2022 at 2:46 pm

    Watching the various Gamma related videos I noted that they said the battery packs could be upgraded and that the delivery of the first 1000 mile version was likely to be 2025 (although that came from a supervised minor so not sure how accurate that was). Being an early 1000 mile version reservation holder, I’m playing around with the idea of switching to a 400 mile version and then later upgrading to the 1000 mile battery pack when it becomes available, especially if this means I can potentially get my Aptera 2 years earlier. Besides the added cost hit this would entail, does anyone see any other draw backs to this?

    • Curtis Cibinel

      Member
      September 15, 2022 at 3:06 pm

      I feel like after you get a 400 you will probably find that the few cases the bigger pack would have saved time will not justify upgrading. Everyone has their own use cases but I can’t see the difference being beneficial for me even once per year on average.

      • Effort for disposal or repurposing of the old 45 kwh pack
      • Adjustment of the suspension for the extra weight
      • Missing out on any general improvements made in that time (heat seats, maybe heat pump, etc) vs if you stick to a factory built 99kwh
      • Degraded handling, acceleration etc from extra weight of the heavy battery
    • OZ (It’s OZ, Just OZ)

      Member
      September 15, 2022 at 3:32 pm

      Heidi, What was a “Supervised Minor”? I’m in the same situation as you with my current reservation, and am considering the same thing. (Actually hoping that the investments will have made it thoroughly painless though.) Do you recall which video you heard about the 1K delays in by any chance? I’m still not really sure on what CA’s intent was when he talked about upgradable batteries though, it may have referred to upgrading with new tech.

      • GLENN ZAJIC

        Member
        September 15, 2022 at 4:49 pm

        While I am not certain, I got the feeling that Chris was talking about new tech also, not adding on to existing packs. He said something like I hope people order the battery they need now. Sound advise from Curtis above.

        • Vernon Sinnott

          Member
          September 15, 2022 at 6:48 pm

          I am certian Chris was talking about future advancements in battery technology and being able to change the battery then.

  • Richard Glavish

    Member
    September 15, 2022 at 4:27 pm

    Florida here, Can’t wait to get my 600 mile range Aptera with Tri motor, camping kit, off road, premium audio and smart lane assist features. I think hitting the Florida market early would exponentially increase pre-orders as the Beach-side and motorcycle communities here would go nuts to get this Auto Cycle. Where do you send a fun free energy vehicle? To places where people like to have fun!

    • Curtis Cibinel

      Member
      September 15, 2022 at 4:39 pm

      Bc has the most EV sales per capita in North America; just saying… I really doubt Aptera will specifically appeal to motorcycle buyers; motorcycle/autocycle is more a legalism than a practical similarity.

      The reality is its understandable wanting to keep close to home initially. Once apteras are on the road, tax credit or not, they will sell as fast as they can make them. Hoping they have 5 factories rolling by 2025 but they will still have a long wait list.

      • Richard Glavish

        Member
        September 15, 2022 at 4:55 pm

        Well I own and ride motorcycles and I am buying one. Guess i am just the fluke motorcyclist that wants one lol. Honestly Reminds me of the T-REX they use sport bike motorcycle engines to power their trike. A Inline 6 cylinder BMW engine on a recent model. The Aptera is far superior on so many levels as no one needs to go over 110 mph for commuting purposes but would not be opposed to unlocking the Governor for drag race runs or a full race course.

        • John Voules

          Member
          September 16, 2022 at 6:12 am

          My plans are to replace a car and my motorcycle once my reservation number comes up. Basically APTERA will replace my fun ride and my utilitarian car. Everyone will have their own story and case with their own needs. 🤗

  • Heidi Strayer

    Member
    September 17, 2022 at 11:44 am

    Hi Oz

    Damn if I can find the video I gleaned this info from now. It was the fully charged video done by a young employee, poor in video quality but I thought high in content quality that was over 30 minutes in length. It’s the video that ended with the display and voice of their navigation system. Towards the end of the video, a young boy jumped in to help answer questions with the employee at his side (hence supervised minor). One of the questions that kept popping up was timeline and the boy’s answer including 2025 for the 1000 mile range version. I don’t think that timeline is unrealistic and maybe even optimistic as I figure 2023 will likely be all about getting their production vehicle certified and the set up of their production line. Hopefully they’ll get a few of their California 1000 x 400 mile range out by the end of 2023 but I fully expect that to run over into 2024. Then there will need to be some use time on those 1000 vehicles and time to iron out any issues. Adding nationwide distribution of the 400 mile version and getting both the 250 and the 600 mile versions versions in production seems like a tall order and I wouldn’t be surprised seeing this spill over into 2025. So my personal realistic hope for the 1000 mile version would be 2026. On the other hand, I think I might be able to take delivery of a 400 mile version by mid to late 2024 (I’m a Floridian). Of course this timeline is complete speculation on my part based on the past timelines for the alpha, beta, and gamma development. As Aptera has demonstrated, it’s extremely difficult to come up with a realistic timeline for development goals when you’re creating something so leading edge. The 400 mile range car would serve most of my day to day usage but not my extensive road trip usage in which I typically drive 700+ miles a day and don’t want to have to worry about planning prolonged charging sojourns in the middle of the day. It sounds like my interpretation of the ‘upgradable battery packs’ and others are quite different. I’ll be patient and wait for clarification on the subject from Aptera as they start to go into production. However I think I would personally find it extremely difficult to see someone driving around town in an Aptera who ordered theirs a year after me while I still had a year to wait for mine. So I’m seriously thinking about downgrading at this point.

    • OZ (It’s OZ, Just OZ)

      Member
      September 17, 2022 at 12:58 pm

      Thanks Heidi, I actually have had that video queued up on my desktop for a bit, but haven’t had the time to look at it, I certainly will now. Your outlook seems to be very similar to mine, and definitely is probably more realistic than most, like the Tesla fans quote Elon “Production is hard” or something along those lines. I placed a second reservation, a while back and will try to negotiate a swap with my very early number and see if I can take the Paradigm + later and a 400 as the earlier vehicle. (I want my Aptera, a 14 year plus wait has been long enough.)

      • Heidi Strayer

        Member
        September 18, 2022 at 1:43 pm

        Hi Oz,

        As a fellow Paradigm+ reservation holder and previous reservation holder of the original version of the Aptera way back when (has it really been 14 years?) I can totally empathize with you.

    • Michael Marsden

      Member
      September 21, 2022 at 8:55 am

      > … and that the delivery of the first 1000 mile version was likely to be 2025 (although that came from a supervised minor so not sure how accurate that was). …

      IMO that doesn’t sound all that plausible to me. My guess would be around Q3/4 2023 for the paradigm units, and early 2024 for the normal units. They’ve previously said that the time lag between the 400 mile unit and the other ones wouldn’t be that great. I think that by the time that deliveries start reaching Florida, they’ll probably have all the options available, it’s probably only California where the battery size will be significant to the delivery order.

      Obviously all just speculation at this point.

      > … Being an early 1000 mile version reservation holder, I’m playing around with the idea of switching to a 400 mile version and then later upgrading to the 1000 mile battery pack when it becomes available,

      IMO it would be cheaper to sell the whole vehicle on the second-hand market and buy a replacement with the 1000 mile battery, or better yet, just buy the one with the larger pack from the start. The standalone 99kWh battery would probably cost around $20k at a minimum, and it’s possible that you may need to change the vehicle’s suspension at the same time (since the suspension directly attaches to the battery, and the bigger battery would be a different shape and also a lot heavier).

  • Colen Thomas

    Member
    September 20, 2022 at 5:48 am

    Where can I find the estimated delivery dates? I didn’t order mine until 7/24/22. I will be 87 in December. Don’t know if I will be around to enjoy this vehicle. I ordered the 400 mi Aptera hearing that they would be the first manufactured. Possibly enough orders will be cancelled to allow me to get mine. I’ll have to keep my fingers crossed.

    • Vernon Sinnott

      Member
      September 20, 2022 at 6:16 am

      Colen Thomas, people living in California will be getting thirs first. Then, other states. I live in Canada and we won’t get our until they start international delivery. Right now, they only give a range and mine is 2023 – 2024.

    • Ray Holan

      Moderator
      September 20, 2022 at 6:45 am

      It will be interesting to see how many reservation holders who are ahead of you in line drop out, Colen. Welcome to the waiting line!

      • Colen Thomas

        Member
        September 20, 2022 at 6:48 am

        Thanks, Ray!

  • Michelle Dvorak

    Member
    September 21, 2022 at 6:40 am

    I can see my order date, but that’s it. Soon!

    • John Voules

      Member
      September 21, 2022 at 7:13 am

      Hoping they reshuffle the order numbers soon. It’s been over a year ago since they made their internal adjustment. I would also like to add, APTERA will need to soon let all reservation holders where they truly stand. eg….Am I the 4000 person inline for the 400 mile version along with what options will be offered on the onset and what specific iterations will be delayed (along with dates of expected availability). I know that some of these questions can’t be answered at this time do to suppliers not being ironed out, but as these answers will soon be a locked down, I believe the company needs to convey this to their order holders. At the same time this will give res holders and investors greater confidence which in return they can plan ahead for their final configuration and the investors who may want to either add or start investing dollars into the company.

      • Vernon Sinnott

        Member
        September 21, 2022 at 7:24 am

        It would be nice to know when they plan to start fulfilling orders to Canada and where I fall in line in Canada and how many orders here. The map indicates I am only 1 of 2 people in Alberta to order but it is generated by those of us who have ordered and could be inaccurate. If they continue to get orders in the United States does that delay international orders? I am sure people around the World would like to know the same concerning their region or country.

      • Linda Poldoian

        Member
        September 21, 2022 at 10:05 am

        Early delivery is more important to me than range. Won’t they ship the most profitable models first such as 1000 mi range, maximum solar capability, and white or black color? That’s how Tesla does it. I waited 11 months for Tesla model S long range and could have trimmed 6 months off delivery if I accepted a higher performance, more profitable Plaid.

        • Michael Marsden

          Member
          September 21, 2022 at 10:26 am

          It depends on what their bottlenecks are. If they are short on batteries for example, they could sell 4 250 mile vehicles instead of one 1000 mile vehicle.

        • Sam Adams

          Member
          September 21, 2022 at 11:01 am

          Their priority is in the majority of reservations. The 400 mile range takes the lead with 75%, or there about, is what I heard Chris say. Followed by 600, 250, then 1000.

          • This reply was modified 1 week, 1 day ago by  Sam Adams.
          • This reply was modified 1 week, 1 day ago by  Sam Adams.
          • OZ (It’s OZ, Just OZ)

            Member
            September 21, 2022 at 11:29 am

            The last Aptera statement on it, that I recall is 40% 400 mile variants.

          • Michael Marsden

            Member
            September 21, 2022 at 12:34 pm

            Chris said that on the factory tour (I think he said it at Fully Charged Live too, but I can’t find that video), but it has been walked back now. Still the original 400/250/600/1000.

            Note that 400 and 250 are 2170 battery cells, but the 600 and 1000 will have a different form factor. Taller and wider, he said, but he wasn’t specific. 4680 is probably too new. So maybe 38120?

            • OZ (It’s OZ, Just OZ)

              Member
              September 21, 2022 at 2:47 pm

              I’d wager you won’t find that on any of the Fully Charged event videos, as some of the many voracious devourers of Aptera information would have referenced it. I think that the term “Walked Back” here, is a poor choice of words, it too often can carry with it, the connotation of someone reversing an actual stance on something, as opposed to this, which as referenced better and more correctly by Aptera, as it being misspoken.

  • John Johnson

    Member
    September 21, 2022 at 9:39 am

    So what does “Expected Delivery Date: Between 2023 and 2024” mean? Technically could mean Jan 1, 2023 through Dec 31, 2024?

    • Sam Adams

      Member
      September 21, 2022 at 9:43 am

      Yes

    • Harry Parker

      Moderator
      September 21, 2022 at 9:47 am

      That’s exactly what it means. But no customer is getting theirs until crash testing is complete and that will take at least a month once production is started next year. And ramping up will take months.

      So unless you reserved yours in the1st month of reservation availability which saw thousands of reservations, I’d say it means 2024.

      • John Voules

        Member
        September 21, 2022 at 10:44 am

        Sounds about right. If they can smooth into producing 40 cars a day by May 2023,

        40×5= 200 per week

        200×4= 800 per month

        800×8 months= 6400 vehicles.

        I did not add for a second shift even though APTERA does plan on it. I was trying to be as conservative as possible with the build out. If things all fall into place 10,000 vehicles would definitely be attainable.

  • Vernon Sinnott

    Member
    September 21, 2022 at 11:32 am

    I saw a video where the roll out of the battery packs variants changed from 400, 250, 600, & 1000 to 400, 600, 250, & 1000. Does anyone else recall Chris Anthony saying that?

    • John Voules

      Member
      September 21, 2022 at 11:45 am

      This has been brought up in several places including video. Im not sure if it’s confirmed yet? It is well known now that APTERA will have 2 battery suppliers. Thinking that the second supplier will be used for longer ranged APTERA’s. If this is the case the 600 mile version maybe more readily available by mid year 2023. The 600 mile version I predict will be the second most popular iteration.

      • Sam Adams

        Member
        September 21, 2022 at 11:53 am

        John… Does this mean lfp batteries for the 400 & 250 range is not going to happen, afayk?

    • OZ (It’s OZ, Just OZ)

      Member
      September 21, 2022 at 12:17 pm

      I wish people would use more common sense, before they jump to conclusions. I heard and watched the video, it seemed more than likely that this was an unscripted comment during a very busy week, and would have been contrary to their long standing intent. From an Aptera email to me today on the order of production:

      “Thanks for asking about this! It was misspoken, our apologies! The planned order at this time is still 400, 250, 600 and then 1,000. Please let me know if we can be of any further assistance!

      Driving solar mobility forward,
      Nicole Hall

      Community Success Associate

      So: 400 / 250 / 600 / 1,000 that’s it.

      • John Voules

        Member
        September 21, 2022 at 2:20 pm

        THANK YOU OZ.

        No need to switch my order yet.

      • BigSky Country

        Member
        September 21, 2022 at 8:40 pm

        I always thought it was a mistake in communication so I’m not surprised. There isn’t much work in getting the 250 version out now that they’ve locked the 400 battery design, but that is not the case for the 600. I ordered the 600, but I’m willing to wait while they get the kinks out.

  • Klaas Stoker

    Member
    September 27, 2022 at 9:55 am

    If production ramps up to 200 per day on 1 Jan 2023, they could produce 50000 vehicles in that year. So the ramp up is very important. The 400 & 250 will use the same type of batteries, while the 600 & 1000 will have a different type. This may explain the production order.

    • John Voules

      Member
      September 27, 2022 at 10:21 am

      Klass, 200 a day…I think you meant week?

      • Klaas Stoker

        Member
        September 27, 2022 at 3:38 pm

        No, I meant per day. If it was only 200 per week, it would take a full year to produce 10000 vehicles and result in delivery dates for some buyers in 2027.

        • OZ (It’s OZ, Just OZ)

          Member
          September 27, 2022 at 4:39 pm

          Klaas, Aptera says full production will be 20 per day to start, if two shifts are run then 40. To increase production past that, a second assembly facility would have to be built, and supply chains would have to be ramped up as well.

        • Jonah Jorgenson

          Member
          September 27, 2022 at 4:59 pm

          Klass,

          Where did you find a reference that Aptera would build 200 a day? The only official references to full production at the SD facilities that I can find list 20/day for single shift and 40/day for double shift. A volume of 200/day would be impossible from SD.

          It goes without saying that some who have recently reserved will have to wait for some time to get their Aptare.

          • This reply was modified 2 days, 16 hours ago by  Jonah Jorgenson. Reason: corrected spelling
          • Klaas Stoker

            Member
            September 27, 2022 at 5:18 pm

            Jonah, there is no reference and I actually misspoke. I meant to say that 200 per day would result in 50000 per year (based on 250 workdays). You are right that 40 per day would work out to about 10000 per year. Let’s hope it is not going to be that slow, as there are over 40000 pre-orders now. If they all stay, it would take up to four years to delivery after production starts – again it means 2027! Basically, in my opinion 40 per day is not nearly enough of a ramp up.

  • John Trotter

    Moderator
    September 27, 2022 at 1:03 pm

    As of mid-September, 2022, here are some hurdles to “full production”:

    – Finish 20% of design beyond gamma’s stated “80%”.

    – Finish procurement contracts for that 20% and everything else.

    – Install the 13 or 14 automated carts

    – Install all the other equipment associated with each work station.

    – Hire and train technicians for each station. (My guess for the long straw.)

    – Build-out the other two Aptera facilities in Carlsbad (body, battery pack, ???) Hire and train here too.

    – Get delivery for “many” of everything. At least a dozen sets.

    – Build deltas. First, to really assure design is final. Then:

    – Build crash deltas. Frontal, side, side pole, offset (40%), small offset (20%), plus low speed. How many does that take? How long to understand results?

    – Any small redesign come out of testing? Then, repeat what needs repeating.

    – Arrange service facilities and personnel for first release area (“Southern California”)

    Not to mention all the “soft” parts of the business: money, law and regulation, marketing, etc.

    And this is just what I can think of as a non-expert Aptera enthusiast.

    We will need to be patient.

    • Llewellyn Evans

      Member
      September 27, 2022 at 6:22 pm

      And that is just the bit of the iceberg that you can see.

      There is all the work in sub assemblies on other sites that has to be 100% before you can properly ramp.

    • Jonathan Sek

      Moderator
      September 29, 2022 at 3:00 pm

      Patience is a virtue. I remember what Warren Buffett wrote; “Some things just take time. You can’t make a baby in one month, by getting nine woman pregnant”.

  • Ernest Cote

    Member
    September 28, 2022 at 8:04 am

    Is there some information available that details the sales process? Are all units to be sold in CA, subject to CA sales tax, and then shipped to customers for registration in their home state. Will documentation be available to pre-register and insure the vehicle and then drive it out of CA? In MA for instance, my understanding is that a vehicle manufacturer can not sell unless a physical dealership exists in the state. I don’t have a clue how the mandatory insurance requirements would come to play prior to registration. Does CA issue tags to non-residents? If so, how would vehicle inspection stickers and excise tax be handled? We could probably use a forum where people could share details that they have garnered relative to their locale.

  • John Johnson

    Member
    September 28, 2022 at 9:15 am

    You guys are missing a vital point. Although Aptera has all their ducks in a row this time, how about a nuclear WW3 disrupting delivery, maybe forever 😀 In addition, I believe a nuclear winter would dramatically increase outdoor charging time if some were delivered prior to. Forget the grid, maybe us too, so maybe all this could be a moot point. Ain’t I a ray of sunshine today? lol!

    • Michael Marsden

      Member
      September 28, 2022 at 11:45 am

      > … how about a nuclear WW3 disrupting delivery, …

      I think Chris said that it was the ideal vehicle for a zombie apocalypse. However, there is a problem with that. All the roads would have been blocked by abandoned vehicles and piles of bodies.

      <throws toys out of pram, cancels reservation, etc> 🤣

    • Jonah Jorgenson

      Member
      September 28, 2022 at 2:30 pm

      A little bit far fetched. One of those possible but by no stretch of the imagination probable at this point.

    • Jonathan Sek

      Moderator
      September 29, 2022 at 3:04 pm

      Good one, John. I’m reading way too much hand wringing. I’m not worried. My Tesla Y came with “Bioweapon Defense Mode”.

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