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  • Aptera User Interface

     Scott Campbell updated 3 days, 23 hours ago 81 Members · 236 Posts
  • Kevin Bradbury

    Member
    August 21, 2022 at 2:32 pm

    I may get burned for saying this but, I think HUD is a much over-hyped ado about nothing. I think it would be more distracting than useful and wouldn’t use it. I personally keep my head on a swivel while driving and only occasionally glance at the speedo. Any other thing that I might need to know, usually comes with an audible alert, ie: GPS directions, screaming passengers, etc. I find it more dangerous to solely focus straight ahead and close up on the windshield than down the road or to the sides to catch sight of the deer or inattentive driver/bike rider/pedestrian about to cross your path…or the pretty girl washing her car in that itsy bitsy, tiny weeny, yellow…polka…dot…biki, um…excuse me, where was I? OH! Yes, I practice swivel head, both in my car and on my motorbike and don’t think HUD is all that it’s cracked up to be.

    • OZ (It’s OZ, Just OZ)

      Member
      August 21, 2022 at 2:40 pm

      You weren’t a tower ATC by any chance?

      • Kevin Bradbury

        Member
        August 21, 2022 at 2:49 pm

        Nope. Do I give off an ATC vibe? Never met one so not sure if I should be worried or not.😟

        • OZ (It’s OZ, Just OZ)

          Member
          August 21, 2022 at 3:17 pm

          “Never met one” Well you have now. (Retired anyhow) Tower controllers were often referred to as “swivel heads” looking out the windows all the time, as opposed to radar controllers, with your gaze locked onto your display.

          • Kevin Bradbury

            Member
            August 21, 2022 at 3:48 pm

            Nice to meet you Swive, Ret. It’s just one of the safe ways I’ve been taught to ride which I apply to my driving as well. I feel everyone should learn to ride a motor bike. It helps train one’s self to be a safer, more courteous driver.

          • OZ (It’s OZ, Just OZ)

            Member
            August 21, 2022 at 5:07 pm

            👍

    • John Malcom

      Member
      August 21, 2022 at 7:32 pm

      In a previous life I was a military pilot the “Scan” was beat into us. The habit has stuck with me and is second nature now when driving. When I was flying the only HUD application was weapons/target management. All aircraft functions were instruments that were incorporated in the scan. (Before the glass cockpits of today) the aircraft equivalent of the large display in the Aptera.

      I have not driven a vehicle with a HUD so have no valid observation regarding them.

    • Jerry Freter

      Member
      August 22, 2022 at 7:47 am

      One of our cars has a HUD. It is dim in full daylight. Also, if I am wearing polarized sunglasses I can’t see it at all since the reflection is polarized off of the glass. HUD is not something I need (like CarPlay) but nothing I have learned about this vehicle is a deal-breaker for me beyond the obvious one of failing to actually make ones for sale.

  • Dan Stevens

    Member
    August 22, 2022 at 7:34 am

    I assume you are referring to the monitors above the yoke?
    If so, as I understand it, those are the sideview camera monitors, which I would find EXTREMELY distracting to have as a HUD, and in fact, it would be very unsafe to do it that way.

    Now, a HUD for speed, next turn (navigation), and some other details would be great to have, but I don’t see it replacing any of the monitors, but in addition to them.

    And no, I don’t want to talk to my car. I can do that in my Tesla (and other cars before that), but I rarely do.

  • Joshua Rosen

    Member
    August 22, 2022 at 7:50 am

    While a HUD might be a very nice feature to have it’s very low on the priority list. They have a lot on their plate and very few resources to handle them all. There are so many things that a far more important that I worry might be missing or inadequate, what will they have for navigation for example.

    • Curtis Cibinel

      Member
      August 22, 2022 at 12:08 pm

      Hopefully Aptera provides a standard 12V power (cigarette lighter) and ideally an OBD port. This would allow any of the existing HUD products to be used. Honestly I find the feature very gadgety but for those that want it compatibility with the hundreds of available products would be good for user choice. With the rearview and ideally speed directly behind the yoke I cant think of any more information I would actually want in my face when driving.

      • John Hermann

        Member
        August 22, 2022 at 1:30 pm

        Speed and direction/distance of the next nav turn would be about it. Much more than that would get cluttered quickly.

      • Joshua Rosen

        Member
        August 22, 2022 at 1:48 pm

        Highly doubtful that they’ll provide an OBD port. OBDII is a very primitive interface that should have been replaced with a modern interface like USB, Ethernet or Bluetooth long ago. The reason it lives on in ICE cars is that it’s required for emissions testing. Tesla’s don’t have OBDII ports, I think Tesla technicians use Ethernet but it could be USB, I’ve only seen them hook a laptop up to my car once so I’m not sure which it was but it wasn’t OBDII.

        I’d like them to provide all of the diagnostic information that you would get from OBDII on the main display, if not there then on the app.

  • Joe Lyddon

    Member
    August 22, 2022 at 12:52 pm

    How will the software be updated with New revisions, etc.

    Will it be automatically done like Tesla does?

    Thank you.

  • Paul Schultz

    Member
    August 22, 2022 at 5:11 pm

    Yes, it has been mentioned in the past that Aptera will have OTA updating.

  • Joe Lyddon

    Member
    August 22, 2022 at 6:17 pm

    That’s good… What I wanted to hear…

    I tried to find it elsewhere… Like trying to find a needle in haystack…

    Thank you!

  • kerbe2705

    Member
    August 22, 2022 at 6:41 pm

    Of course, that’s based on the assumption that Aptera will have a massive team of programmers whose sole job is to offer new capabilities, games, etc. – something that pretty-much no other EV manufacturer has except Tesla.

    What’s coming out of other MFRs is repairs, fixes, patches, etc., and then only on a very limited basis. Many EVs haven’t had a single software update since they were released.

    It will be interesting to see how this plays-out in Apteraland…

    • Raj Giandeep

      Member
      August 22, 2022 at 8:30 pm

      Aptera did acquire andromeda interfaces to handle the software of the vehicle. Granted it’s a smaller company. Don’t recall how many employees. I hope they commit to long term OTA updates, so the car doesn’t age quickly. My 2013 Nissan Leaf software is very dated already. Tesla’s OTA updates are king at the moment for sure.

      • kerbe2705

        Member
        August 22, 2022 at 9:55 pm

        @Raj Giandeep The OS on my LG television is also very dated, especially now that they’ve released a new version on this year’s televisions. But, sadly, that version won’t run on older televisions… The software in my Honda PHEV hasn’t received a single update over the three years I’ve owned the vehicle.

        Considering how frequently updates break things that aren’t broken I worry about the process…

        • Russell Fauver

          Member
          August 23, 2022 at 6:26 am

          My wife’s 2014 CR-V has never had a software update, still works like it did when it was new. Connected devices need updates to stay current, hack/virus proof. If it’s not connected to anything, nothing can bug it.

  • Gordon Niessen

    Member
    August 22, 2022 at 7:05 pm

    I hope the developers of the software are building in logging in the software so that they get feedback on what is happening. We often can’t tell from the UI what the actual issues are when much of the input is coming from sensors and other signal from around the vehicle. But I would hope we can also give them feedback during the Paradigm period to help them fine tune the UI also.

  • Paul Van Steenberghe

    Member
    August 23, 2022 at 5:39 am

    I for one don’t like HUDs. Kinda like a squashed bug on the windshield, it feels like it shouldn’t be there and should be wiped off. 😉

    • Kevin Bradbury

      Member
      August 23, 2022 at 12:05 pm

      @Paul Van Steenberghe – I totally agree. It’s one more marketing gimmick that people have fallen for. And by people, I mean mostly us guys. If you think I’m wrong, then why are there now “tactical” flashlights, wallets, belt buckles, car visors, razors, laser pointers, etc.

      Woman are not completely innocent either. Hello “pumpkin spice” everything.

      😀

  • Bart Cunningham

    Member
    August 23, 2022 at 9:06 am

    My 2020 Hyundai Sonata Limited get updates every six months, if you want them. Some are just map updates but one update completely changed the style of the interface and radio. It is a manual process of downloading the file using their app, then you need to put it onto a flash drive and run the update process on the car manually. This requires from 30 – 60 minutes depending on the update. I am okay with this process but OTA would be MUCH nicer.

    • Mark Salyzyn

      Member
      August 23, 2022 at 10:16 am

      I’ll say, part of the manual process requires a Windoze machine, I only have Linooox here and their application does not like to work under Wine, it fails to make a network connection while all other windoze apps have no problems. So I have to get a buddy across town to download it and put it on the SD card for me.

      OTA should be technically possible, either by raising a hotspot from your phone if their head unit scans for Wifi, or via BLE or USB connection (for Android gadget connection). The last video reported that they were focussing on their Bluetooth stack, so I have no idea about the state of their Wifi or USB stacks.

  • Vernon Sinnott

    Member
    September 3, 2022 at 9:44 am

    Will Heads Up Display be included or is it even feasible with the angle of the windshield?

  • Joshua Rosen

    Member
    September 3, 2022 at 10:16 am

    No heads up display.

  • Jack Frost

    Member
    September 3, 2022 at 10:17 am

    It’s highly unlikely

  • John Malcom

    Member
    September 3, 2022 at 10:55 am

    A heads up display was never in the feature plan and never discussed in any of the videos or updates.

  • Philip Sandiford

    Member
    September 3, 2022 at 10:55 am

    First question: not anticipated – Contact Aptera (not the forums) for the real answer.

    Second question: yes it is possible by using a (what we called in school) ‘pepper’s pane.’ This is a flat pane of transparent material, like glass or clear lexon, that can be used for the HUD’s reflected image. It sounds pretty dangerous during an collision, but it could be done I suppose.

    First question re-answered for emphasis: not anticipated.

  • Gil Beja

    Member
    September 6, 2022 at 5:26 am

    Hi all,
    I’m a future owner of this magnificent dolphin/aircraft/car from the future…
    and since i can’t wait for it already, and am a product designer… i decided to try to envision a nice unique UI for it.

    I came up with something that is inspired by the solar panels and gives users control of the most important features of the car…

    Here are two variations (A/C controls layout are different)

    [I can’t post links here, gets the post deleted, but there’s a sweet charging animation between the panels.. wish i could show the mockup]

    Let me know what you think

    • This reply was modified 3 weeks, 3 days ago by  Gil Beja.
    • This reply was modified 3 weeks, 3 days ago by  Gabriel Kemeny.
  • Sam Adams

    Member
    September 6, 2022 at 5:34 am

    I’m sure your design is great but I’d personally like to try what they’ve built while working with Crank Software and perhaps others.

  • Ray Holan

    Moderator
    September 6, 2022 at 7:09 am

    Nice effort there, Gil. I see it echoes the diamond positioning of Aptera’s solar cells.

  • Peter Wilson

    Member
    September 12, 2022 at 4:27 am

    I am really unhappy with the two side view screens placed directly in front above the steering wheel. The placement of the side view screens/mirrors at either end of the dash or on the A pillar has the benefit of bringing your peripheral vision into play for elimination of the blindspot that usually exists at the rear corners. I very nearly wiped out a motorcycle recently who was positioned off to the side of the rear of my vehicle just out of view from the side mirror. If I hadn’t had to turn my head to check the mirror I wouldn’t have seen him.

    Put the side view screens on the doors or at the sides of the vehicle please.

    • Bob Kirchner

      Member
      September 12, 2022 at 5:35 am

      This is a good observation which I hadn’t considered. Since lane changes should be accompanied by a shoulder check, you have to look over there anyway, so why not have the side view screen in that location?

      In any case, the current location is pretty much determined to be the position for production. Customer reactions will determine if they change it for future vehicles.

    • Sam Adams

      Member
      September 12, 2022 at 5:47 am

      I must be missing something. AFAIK, those two screens in front of you will show you your left and right sides, eliminating blind spots entirely.

      • OZ (It’s OZ, Just OZ)

        Member
        September 12, 2022 at 6:11 am

        Looking at the placement of the cameras, within the mount for the required physical mirror, the rake of the mirror and it’s solid mount will likely create the same blind spot you get when only using a traditional side mirror

    • Paul Kirchner

      Member
      September 12, 2022 at 7:31 am

      In it’s present iteration, you’ll have conventional mirrors where they have always been. So if you want, disregard the center screens and drive like you’ve always driven with flicking your head left and right. Now I don’t have a motorcycle but if I remember right what Chris said about the legal size of the mirrors, they do seem small. I think he said 10 square inches of mirror?

    • John Voules

      Member
      September 12, 2022 at 8:01 am

      I am a rider, one thing that was not mentioned, you also have a direct rear view camera. This is something I have not seen on any motorcycle (maybe I’m wrong). Between the rear view and the side view, you should be able to see who is behind you coming up and know that if you can’t see them on either side that you should know they are there. You should be able to set your side view mirrors a little wider and let side view improve drastically. With 2 mirrors and 3 cameras you are much better off than you are as a rider on a bike with 2 side mirrors. I have an electric motorcycle, my bike does not have noise coming from exhaust, I can normally hear another rider or car that is in my blind spot….but I always twist my head to look…which will still be an option with the APTERA.

    • francois kilchoer

      Member
      September 12, 2022 at 8:14 am

      I agree, the two side view screens should not be placed above the steering wheel; it’s a human factors thing.

      Here’s a hypothetical: you’re cruising along on the freeway, and wanting to change lanes on a multi-lane (more that two) highway. You need to glance to the right to make sure that one lane further a vehicle isn’t trying to move into the same lane that you want to get into. Unless that camera is really wide angle, it isn’t going to see that vehicle. And if it is a wide angle, there will need to be in large red friendly letters “The objects in the screen are closer than they appear”.

      So, you need to turn your head anyway to make that safe lane change. People tend to be lazy, and will forget to look either left or right. Placing the side view screens on each side won’t make it fool proof (nothing is) but I’m sure that it will mitigate this “problem”.

      • This reply was modified 2 weeks, 4 days ago by  francois kilchoer. Reason: replaced "mirror" with "the screen" :-)
      • John Hermann

        Member
        September 12, 2022 at 8:33 am

        I think that’s something of a non-issue. I have seen multiple vehicles with lane change cameras that have position markers overlaid to indicate when a vehicle is too close for a safe lane change. Would not be difficult to implement the same or similar with Aptera.

        I am hoping that the two-panel setup was just to get Gamma live and a single full-width panel is planned for production. Much better aesthetics and much more flexibility for display configuration via software.

        • francois kilchoer

          Member
          September 12, 2022 at 8:59 am

          Maybe I need to take a look at new cars 😉 My last car purchase was 2007, and I’m pretty sure new “safety” features have been added as standard components since…

          My impression is that drivers are getting lazier and lazier (but let’s not read too much negativity in that…). We’re letting software make more and more decisions. I’ve been writing software for over 40 years, and am proud of my “lines of code bug ratio”. Even if I’m the dunce of the group (I hope I’m not), I get nervous seeing people letting the technology make the choices.

          • John Hermann

            Member
            September 12, 2022 at 9:25 am

            We’re still a ways off from broad adoption of self-driving vehicles but the tech, and the thought behind it, is getting seriously impressive. An example from Tesla:

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHadhx3c840

          • Dennis Swaney

            Member
            September 12, 2022 at 5:21 pm

            Yes, the more “safety assist” features added, the more the drivers think they don’t have to be as concerned as before since “the car will take care of that”. Teslas with sleeping drivers are extreme examples

  • George Hughes

    Member
    September 12, 2022 at 8:51 am

    Interesting idea about the placement of the main rear-view.

    The main criticism of Aptera’s rear view system seems to be that there may be a blind spot at the rear that a motorcycle could hard to see.

    I believe the proximity sensors may go bananas over such a close encounter.

  • Chris Hale

    Member
    September 12, 2022 at 8:54 am

    I would hope that whoever is test driving the Aptera is looking at all possible problems that could be associated with the current locations of the screens, cameras, sensors etc. These are safety issues, and they need to make sure that the Aptera isn’t an accident waiting to happen. The way that the Aptera is built it would be difficult to look back in either direction to check for blind spots.

  • Pistonboy Delux

    Member
    September 12, 2022 at 9:48 am

    I like the idea of placing the center rear view screen in front of the driver, between the left and right rear view screens, thus creating a panaramic view of the rear (see first post).

    I expressed this to Chris at the Fully Charged gathering in San Diego . He said that is the plan for the future.

  • Colen Thomas

    Member
    September 21, 2022 at 4:06 am

    Will there be any plans to allow owners to add features that were not initially purchased, such as lane keeping or adaptive cruise control, through upgrades to software?

    • This reply was modified 1 week, 2 days ago by  Colen Thomas.
  • John Voules

    Member
    September 22, 2022 at 4:41 pm

    There are things that I prefer not to use a computer screen for automotive functions.

    Unlocking/Opening doors from the inside

    Power windows

    Wiper Function

    Starting APTERA / gear selection

    Cruise control

    Internal hatch release

    Lighting…inside and outside

    I am hoping that this is something that we can let APTERA know what people on this forum are wanting….PLEASE I am sure there are other ideas or wants you may have to add or can live without.

  • Vernon Michael Gardner

    Member
    September 22, 2022 at 4:51 pm

    Hi John, I know that tactile buttons and knobs make some adjustment considerably easier. I found several companies that have interesting solutions.

    https://abstractocean.com/products/s3xy-buttons

    • George Hughes

      Member
      September 22, 2022 at 7:32 pm

      I didn’t realize that the Teslas were so bereft of buttons until the Monro guys had their discussion about interior and exterior but a few days ago, I answered the question of what options I wanted with a suggestion quite similar to this ‘kit’. These guys set it up to work through the OBDII port on the Tesla. I was thinking of tapping into the signaling that comes from a phone app … and whatever the operating systems might make available.

      I suspect with the ‘minimalist’ style popularized by Tesla, this kind of custom programmable button may become a staple aftermarket product if it becomes an ‘official’ app instead of a hack.

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