Aptera New Beta Design

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  • Aptera New Beta Design

     Rob Spruijt updated 4 months ago 17 Members · 29 Posts
  • Joshua Rosen

    Member
    February 27, 2022 at 11:28 am

  • John Malcom

    Member
    February 27, 2022 at 1:01 pm

    Thanks to Doctor Rosen for porting this over from the Aptera Owners Club so all on the Forum can see it. Thanks also to the Owners Club Host for the detailed analysis of the changes from the Alpha vehicle. Since it is a render, not a picture of a Beta build, we may not see an actual beta vehicle other than the various versions of the test mules.

    Glad to see the tradeoff solution for the mirror/side camera Issue many were worrying about. Looks like we will get the cameras we want with minimal “Mirror” impact to aero efficiency.

    Great job Aptera engineers!

    Another demonstration that we can trust you to do the right thing for us.

    Now if they can get my stick shift worked in………😒

    • Curtis Cibinel

      Member
      February 27, 2022 at 1:17 pm

      Everything is a huge step forward except the lack of cup holders; You’d think they’d have learned to include them after missing them in alpha and photoshopping them in after the fact.

      PS: They have been very clear the vehicle will include them – its just funny that renders always forget them.

    • Joshua Rosen

      Member
      February 27, 2022 at 6:28 pm

      Dr. Rosen was my grandfather, I’m just Mr. My grandmother wasn’t happy when I told her that I was going to be an engineer instead of a doctor, she gave me a stethoscope when I was five, not a toy stethoscope a real one.

  • Pistonboy Delux

    Member
    February 27, 2022 at 4:38 pm

    Is the logo on the side of the vehicle, larger?

  • Loren Gilbert

    Member
    February 27, 2022 at 5:59 pm

    Thanks for this post. First I would like to say that I really like the gloss finish rather than the matte finish, Aptera, I hope you hear this and make it an option. Second, I don’t mind the longer side stalks with mirrors as long as there will still be video side view screens that we can look at instead of the skinny mirrors. Finally, I think that the nose guards on the wheel skirts are a great idea and I think they actually look better than the alpha design.

  • Rob Spruijt

    Member
    February 27, 2022 at 6:46 pm

    I’m very pleased with the changes. The overall feel of the vehicle is slightly more slick and assertive, and I think that will give people more confidence in Aptera. I have always liked the unusual and playful design. The very first Aptera (many years ago) had the + and – sign pedals and I am so very stroked that is back. Others have already commented on the details. I assume that the center headlight will be clearly augmented with the ‘smile’ across the with of the cockpit as well as lights on the wheels; we don’t want oncoming traffic to underestimate the size of the vehicle.

    Curious to see how the side cameras will be integrated with screens. I love the clean and clear look of the interior. None of that leather 1990’s couch look. Somehow it falls neither for the childish playful look, nor the sports car look, nor the fussy too-many-accessories feel. This is what the future looks like, and I think Jason is a genius. (Full disclosure: I’m not in automotive design but I work at the design school where Jason got his degree).

  • Pistonboy Delux

    Member
    February 27, 2022 at 7:22 pm

    Much of the drag produced by the mirrors will come from the flat (mirror) surface that is facing backward. This can be reduced by adding an aerodynamic “tail” to that surface. The aptera vehicle has an aerodynamic tail for that purpose. Perhaps the aftermarket world will come to the rescue.

  • Steven G. Bueche

    Member
    February 28, 2022 at 5:19 am

    A few catches for the above video;

    Door latch has been removed and dropped into a slot. It makes for a much cleaner look. The old version stuck out like a post and seems like it could catch you when the seat was lifted and gaining access to the rear. I just hope the seals prevent water and dirt from entering that hole.

    The hatch is a true hatch and not just a glass pane. Will stop lots of accidental breakage (?)

    The center mounted screen sits higher and could block seeing out the front windscreen. The M3’s screen doesn’t go over the top of the dashes line of sight.

    The seats are flatter with less side bolsters. Aggressive drivers may not like this change.

    License plate area widened. Maybe for our European clients.

    Door straps. I see these becoming dirty and stretched out over time like any seat belt. I may fix an aftermarket handle to mine.

    I do like the wheel skirt rubber fronts. It just makes sense.

    The center mounted headlight works for the design as well.

    With all the design cues on the interior going with the exterior the seats look like they came out of the AMC Pacer.

    Just my two cents.

    • Jon Arryn

      Member
      February 28, 2022 at 5:37 am

      Rubber eh? I was wondering what material that may be. It’s also on the leading edge of the rear wheel. Seems it would offer better road grit protection, than without. Also adds some visual contrast. Looks like the front wheel pants are more fully enclosed as well.

      • Steven G. Bueche

        Member
        February 28, 2022 at 3:51 pm

        To be honest I really don’t know the material it seemed to make sense. With everyone having curbs, speed bumps and pot hole out there it’s best to have something more forgiving than a hard surface. And yes it does a bit more style to the car.

        I also love the shape of those mirrors and will not be taking them off.

  • Jon Arryn

    Member
    February 28, 2022 at 5:25 am

    Nice evolution of the design. I know they indicated the beta’s would not be “pretty”, but here’s hoping they build one, even if just to wreck it later. Would love to see that video!

    Perhaps my eyes are fooling me, and it is just a render, but it appears the roll down portion of the window is a bit more flush?

    • Scott Price

      Member
      February 28, 2022 at 6:53 am

      I noticed that too regarding the mid-window frame, Jon. It almost looked wider too, and at least was not thinner, which is unfortunate since it will clearly and unfortunately block field of view.

      Other than that and the perhaps floppy/cheap looking (TBD) interior door pull-down handles, there are a lot of great improvements in this latest version.

      • Danny O

        Member
        February 28, 2022 at 10:40 am

        I agree that there are so many improvements with these new renders.

        To your point about viewability, I too worry about the width of the window bar. In addition to that, I saw someone mention the height of the 2 monitors in the dash being a little too high and could also hinder the driver’s view. I’d suggest moving the center monitor a little lower and having the steering wheel monitor be attached or closer to the steering wheel mount. Would love for the steering wheel monitor to include the speedometer, but not sure how possible if side camera views are there. Side camera views should always be displayed.

  • Peter Dezendorf

    Member
    February 28, 2022 at 12:55 pm

    The yoke may work fine if the maximum rotation is 180 degrees.

    The new side mirror/camera design looks good. What is not good is the comment that you will see the side camera view in the driver’s screen when a turn signal is on. Hmmm, I usually check for vehicles to the side before putting on a turn signal. Since the two screens for the side cameras appear gone, I hope an option for the driver’s screen is to show the two side mirror, perhaps on the lower half of the screen.

  • Francis Giroux

    Member
    February 28, 2022 at 6:03 pm

    Regarding the mid-window frame and visibility, I noticed that the new mirrors in the video were slanted up, I assume to be able to see them past the mid-window frame. I assume that slant is adjustable for different sized drivers. I’m still a little confused about where the video output will be displayed for the side view cameras; left screen, bottom of left screen, programmable to where ever we want it?

  • Kimberly Wilson

    Member
    February 28, 2022 at 6:51 pm

    the first beta rendering in the video appears to show one wide screen rather than a smaller drivers screen

  • Howard Sharp Sharp

    Member
    February 28, 2022 at 7:46 pm

    I like the door handles. I think they fit the aircraft cockpit aesthetic of the rest of the cabin, and they also remind me of older door closing methods from other minimalistic classics – the Morris Minor and even the 2CV, which had a cable. I also think it’ll be easier to grab when the door is up in the air. I agree that the shape of the body has been magically infused with greater appeal.

  • Danny Mattijetz

    Member
    February 28, 2022 at 8:17 pm

    While there are multiple items that have been thoroughly covered above, the one thing I really like is the reflective surface on the rendering instead of the flat finish.

    • Jon Arryn

      Member
      March 1, 2022 at 5:22 am

      Hoping it’s intended to be paint. Glossy vinyl wraps have even less longevity than flat wraps. Not reading too much into just a render. Noticed though, on the configuration page, the color has been updated from “Paint Color” to just “Color”.

      • John Malcom

        Member
        March 1, 2022 at 9:43 am

        Originally wrap was specified as the external finish which conflicted with the word “Paint” in the configuration tool. After recommendations from ambassadors and other forum members, “Paint” was replaced with” Color” to avoid misrepresentation or misleading people using the configuration tool. Currently the type of exterior finish is under review so color (Pretty generic) is still used.

        • Jon Arryn

          Member
          March 1, 2022 at 9:59 am

          Understood.

  • Pistonboy Delux

    Member
    March 1, 2022 at 12:42 am

    In one of the videos, the center rear view camera display is more fixed and not particularly movable. This new beta render shows the rear view mirror as fully adjustable like traditional mirrors. Perhaps they are making the center rear view mirror/display function as either a traditional mirror or as a display. This would be a good decision because it gives the driver the choice between the two.

  • Pistonboy Delux

    Member
    March 1, 2022 at 12:59 am

    If a motorcycle can have only one headlight, is it also required to have only one tail light? Do they have to put a single taillight in the center?

    • Peter Dezendorf

      Member
      March 1, 2022 at 6:18 am

      I believe the regulation is that a motorcycle must have a central headlight, but it can have more than one. Similar for the taillight.

  • Steven Bryant

    Member
    March 1, 2022 at 9:42 am

    All I want is an Aptera. I’m fine with the interior design, I find no wholesale problems with anything there’s always something that’s in your mind as to why they did that but you either accept it or buy something that tickles you fancy.Get over it accept or reject. I accept!!!!

  • GLEN KIRK

    Member
    March 1, 2022 at 11:47 am

    I’ve been trying to ignore the aptera lately, since it will be at least 2023 till I can get one. But, I really like this beta design. Having a driver gauge screen is great, the refreshed interior looks good, and though I am deeply suspicious of yoke steering, they always look cool and may be fine to drive. Time will tell.

    Hopefully I can fit in it and be comfortable for long road trips. Now back to aptera hibernation mode for me.

  • Pistonboy Delux

    Member
    March 1, 2022 at 4:06 pm

    Perhaps the view of the new display infront of the driver was blocked by the steering wheel, and the yoke made it a clear view.

    I wonder how much of the decision to have the yoke was influenced by view of the display, desire to be trendy, and Tesla requiring it to go with their steering column.

  • Rob Spruijt

    Member
    March 1, 2022 at 4:36 pm

    I am mostly excited about this next design phase, with a wait-and-see feel towards the yoke. I am a bit surprised that the bar across the window is still as big and fat as before; I had somehow expected that the final design would minimize the visibility of the bar and maximize the view for the driver. Does it serve a structural purpose? For the lucky few who had a test drive: did you notice it? Was it obstructive?

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