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  • Aptera Maker Series Videos

     Steven G. Bueche updated 3 months ago 35 Members · 81 Posts
  • loswa loswa

    Member
    August 23, 2021 at 5:31 pm

    This one is about the newly designed suspension.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBqp5agXm_w

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  • kerbe2705

    Member
    August 23, 2021 at 5:31 pm

    An interview with Aptera’s Lead Battery Engineer, Luke! https://youtu.be/DeNSS-NcT3A

  • Fanfare 100

    Member
    August 23, 2021 at 8:22 pm

    Until they bring the thumbs-up button back: Thank you for posting this.

  • Steve Lee

    Member
    August 24, 2021 at 9:04 am

    Great video. I just wish there was more technical information. I don’t mind the “meet the team” vibe of the video for the first video. Next time let’s get more specification and information though 🙂

    • kerbe2705

      Member
      August 24, 2021 at 10:54 am

      These videos aren’t for “preaching to the choir” – they’re more about informing the general public and convincing the hesitant.

      Specs are changing daily – they’ve told us this time and again during the various webinars. The tech info we gained from this vid includes the use of water-formed aluminum in the pack housing, their focus on reducing weight and simplifying manufacturing and their search for an maximized battery chemistry.

  • Nick Michell

    Member
    August 26, 2021 at 11:03 am

    For batteries, I understand that you don’t want to go out on limb, at least initially. So cylindrical cells, probably NCM chemistry, 400v … all standard stuff, and the key thing you’re thinking about is integration. I get it, but the pushevs website has these things to think about for the future:

    800-volt systems: more efficient, lighter motors vs. 400v

    Silicon anodes: silicon/graphite is here now, but higher % silicon is coming

    Cobalt-free batteries: switch from NCM to LFP, you’ll lose some energy density, but gain in safety and cost, simpler management, and no conflict minerals

    CTP battery packs: Check out BYD’s blade batteries, works well with LFP chemistry

    Solar roofs: Aptera is already there!

    V2G and V2L: vehicle-to-whatever is coming

    Aerodynamic improvements: Aptera is already there!

    Wireless charging: well, someday

  • Pistonboy Delux

    Member
    August 27, 2021 at 12:19 am

    I like the shirt he is wearing.

    I don’t see it in the swag portion of the website.

  • John Wiley

    Member
    August 31, 2021 at 4:57 pm

    So, Ioswa – where did you find this video? I went to News on the website, but couldn’t find it. Was just wondering what I should be doing differently to keep myself better informed. At any rate, thanks for posting.

    • Bob Kirchner

      Member
      August 31, 2021 at 5:06 pm

      It showed up on YouTube yesterday. The Almighty Algorithm sends me just about everything Aptera related, and I also subscribe to Aptera’s YouTube channel, so it showed up on my subscriptions page as soon as the video was launched.

      It is odd that Aptera hasn’t posted the video on this site as well.

      • John Wiley

        Member
        September 1, 2021 at 6:05 am

        Thanks, Bob. I am now subscribed to “Aptera Motors” and “Aptera Owner’s Club”. That should help me stay up to date.

    • Joel Smith

      Member
      August 31, 2021 at 6:57 pm

      From the home page, tap the drop down menu upper left and select “community”. Recent forum posts show up at the top, but if you scroll down a ways, you will see (I think it is) “recent social media posts”. The video showed up pretty promptly there.

      I agree. Seems like it should be “News” too.

      • John Wiley

        Member
        September 1, 2021 at 6:21 am

        Thanks, Jesthorbjorn. As I’m not a social media user, I tend to overlook titles that include that phrase. I’ve learned my lesson and will now look there, as well as Aptera News and the YouTube subscriptions. I do think Aptera, however, should throw ALL Aptera public communications into News, at the very least, as well as social media and YouTube and any other place that is appropriate.

        • kerbe2705

          Member
          September 4, 2021 at 12:56 pm

          Everything from Aptera seems to appear first on Facebook…

  • Pistonboy Delux

    Member
    August 31, 2021 at 9:53 pm

    Two things I found interesting are:

    Item 1: Conforming electric power assist steering would be present.

    Item 2: Stating autonomous driving would be one of their biggest points in the future. If course, autonomous driving has become somewhat of a vague term, meaning different things to different people.

    • Joshua Vance Vance

      Member
      September 2, 2021 at 7:35 pm

      I still wonder how involved they are with Tesla. FSD add on in a few years?

      • Pistonboy Delux

        Member
        September 2, 2021 at 8:08 pm

        I believe they are heavily involved with Tesla, and Tesla is letting them use some of their components.

        • Paul Schultz

          Member
          September 4, 2021 at 6:41 am

          Any actual data to back this up? I would think for autonomous driving tech they would use either OpenPilot software modified for the Aptera or contract with one of the tier 2 automotive contractors to provide a solution.

          • Joshua Rosen

            Member
            September 4, 2021 at 6:59 am

            I can’t imagine that any company would use OpenPilot when there are a number of far better funded choices. MobilEye, which is Intel, or Cruise, which is GM and Honda, Argo, which is Ford, or Tesla are far more likely. In any event it’s going to be years before their will be a true Level 5 system. They are offering driver’s assist, they haven’t said where they are getting that from but there are a number of off the shelf sources.

            • Paul Schultz

              Member
              September 4, 2021 at 10:40 am

              Consumer Report rated OpenPilot ahead of the others as a level 2 ADAS. It is open source so cost is zero to use. Right now, there is no single vendor with a product that noticeably stands out. Comma.ai is in San Diego as is Aptera. It is an option and their proximity can help make a collaboration easier.

          • kerbe2705

            Member
            September 4, 2021 at 1:02 pm

            In one of the webinars they mentioned that they are working with a Japanese developer to provide the SafetyPilot functionality. The overall UX interface design is from a Canadian firm, Crank Software. https://www.cranksoftware.com/press-release-crank-software-teams-with-aptera

        • kerbe2705

          Member
          September 4, 2021 at 12:58 pm

          Actually, no: One of the Founders drives a Model 3 and they used parts from wrecked Model 3s to assemble the alpha prototypes – until they can find suppliers for parts of their own.

  • Ron Ledohowski

    Member
    September 8, 2021 at 5:23 pm

    This one is about the solar system.

    Aptera https://youtu.be/EVVLlJ7Tnuc

    See 12:54 for Solar Cell (solution):
    https://youtu.be/c6hs0-42Fxg

    It’s a Canadian company to consider.
    https://www.lightleafsolar.com/

  • Bob Kirchner

    Member
    September 8, 2021 at 5:39 pm

    That Bean trailer in the link you gave, protecting a polycarbonate window from gravel and debris with a…solar panel? Hmmm.

    Definitely something Aptera could look at.

    Thanks for the links.

    • Alain Chuzel

      Member
      September 15, 2021 at 7:21 am

      Would love to see how the Light Leaf Solar modules hold up to 80 MPH pebbles rather than fluffy snow balls…(see gif below). Try to carefully watch where “snowball” hits and is it really a snowball or just a lose bunch of snow?

  • Ron Ledohowski

    Member
    September 8, 2021 at 5:43 pm

    The trailer thing is for some context and some background only.

    Referring to the actual cells and curvature needed etc. Don’t lose that. Custom adaptation to Aptera spec.

    Go to the solar panel manufacturer’s site https://www.lightleafsolar.com/custom

    Check out the custom link above followed by the gleaf link.

    • Christopher May

      Member
      September 8, 2021 at 7:51 pm

      I wonder if I could custom order an oversized solar spoiler, and throw that onto the back of my aptera? XD

      • Alain Chuzel

        Member
        September 16, 2021 at 7:45 am

        I can make you one.

        XD

  • Llewellyn Evans

    Member
    September 9, 2021 at 5:36 am

    Panels that curve in one direction are not a problem. I think he mentioned the curve being a compound curve ….. can’t just bend a flat cell into a compound curve without big strain. Hence the comment in the video about delamination and longevity. Perhaps smaller cells with a simple curve and cast the compound curve into the encapsulent to achieve the correct surface shape. Could help in some future Aptera product, after everything is up and running. Just spitballing.

    • Llewellyn Evans

      Member
      September 9, 2021 at 6:02 am

      Pushing a compound curve into a cell may affect the band gap energy.

      https://spectrum.ieee.org/sony-creates-curved-cmos-sensors-that-mimic-the-eye

      • Llewellyn Evans

        Member
        September 9, 2021 at 9:28 pm

        That means it can impact efficiency of the solar panel.

        Could somebody who is a bigger nerd than me please post something? I can hear crickets.

        • Alain Chuzel

          Member
          September 15, 2021 at 6:51 am

          SunCat Solar, LLC and others have been doing (and testing) lightweight/flex (or rigid) compound curved solar arrays for decades (primarily for solar race cars. See photo below of “junk cell” prototype. While there are some interesting tradeoffs with compound curves, I’ve never heard of the possible band gap energy problems.

          • Llewellyn Evans

            Member
            September 15, 2021 at 3:01 pm

            Hi Alain,

            Thanks for the insight, it is a relief.

            I guess the article does not apply because this the situation here is quite different. Thanks again!!????

  • kerbe2705

    Member
    September 9, 2021 at 7:46 am

    The language used seems so fluid: “modules”, “panels”, “cells”… At this stage it appears that individual cells are adhered to the body panels and then covered in a transparent protective coating. The animation suggests that individual cells will be replaceable but the speaker refers to upgradeable panels.

    We know that the hood (bonnet), roof, hatch and tail-top are all discrete units that are attached to the underlying structure of the vehicle so would each of those (and the dashboard) be the mentioned “solar modules”? Would upgrading the solar system mean replacing those body panels and NOT replacing individual solar cells?

    • Alain Chuzel

      Member
      September 15, 2021 at 7:02 am

      Great questions/comments Kenneth! It is hard to know what the intent is when the language is fluid. My best guess is they are likely to have replaceable panels (somewhat synonymous with module) rather than individual cells. The problem is that some panels could be rather big. I have been working on ideas for replaceable cells to keep replacement costs down. It’s tricky….

      • kerbe2705

        Member
        September 15, 2021 at 10:08 pm

        There are only five body panels that contain solar cells: Hood, dashboard, roof, hatch and tail. Aside from the hatch the panels are composite shells so, while ungainly, they won’t be exceptionally heavy: Even the hatch is probably only a two-person lift.

        In another post there’s an image of the cells in body panel mold: I’m guessing the intent is to “cast” the cells into the panel’s resin, making it monolithic. In all of the close-up photos of the vehicle there appear to be no seams around the individual cells.

        The most cost effective repair (and haven’t we seen this with Tesla?) is to ship a complete replacement panel to the owner, along with detailed instructions for demounting the old panel and installing the new one.

        I wonder if the six cells on the tail won’t manage to disappear from the production vehicle: They seem to be in a particularly vulnerable location and having to replace an entire panel for six cells… Perhaps the wider body of the beta prototypes will allow more cells to be mounted on the hood and roof, negating the need for the tail cells…

        • Alain Chuzel

          Member
          September 17, 2021 at 2:00 pm

          I wasn’t thinking of “body panels” so much as “solar panels”. I’m sorry to have only added to the confusion…

  • my_discord_number_is_0328 bloody stupid

    Member
    September 12, 2021 at 5:52 pm

    old forum had this plus a plant based transparent plastic that directed much of the light from the soaked by surface to its edges, so small solar panel at edges harvested light. There was different colors, and more colors in development at the time article that was linked to was written.

    there was another liquid inside glass/plastic fully transparent solar panel being advertised for buildings, another blue tinted one.

  • BMW Bloch

    Member
    September 13, 2021 at 2:44 am

    This aptera video update was very disappointing to me. Everything can be bought off the shelve / is existing technology, except the solar cells integrated into the body.

    In all their previous videos I gained the impression they had figured that out. But in this maker video it became clear they yet have to figure it out …

    • Alain Chuzel

      Member
      September 15, 2021 at 7:06 am

      In this 30+ year experienced specialty solar module designer/fabricator’s mind, ditto……

  • BMW Bloch

    Member
    September 13, 2021 at 2:49 am

    As a possible solution they may want to look at these cells for automotive bodies developed by the Fraunhofer Institute and OPES Solutions:

    https://www.electrive.com/2021/09/10/opes-fraunhofer-present-standardized-solar-module-for-vehicles/

  • Peter Jorgensen

    Member
    September 13, 2021 at 1:41 pm

    I took this update to mean that they had working cells – but they wanted to improve them more before rolling them out. Which is probably why Noir and Sol had different solar hood appearances – and none of them have the solar rear hatch yet. (We’ll see if Luna got a solar rear hatch).

    In any case, I’m not super concerned about the solar as long as it doesn’t hold them up. I don’t mind taking delivery of my aptera with no solar if I have to but it’s a huge bonus to have it… The dash is probably not a compound curve and should be easy to work with – but the roof, hood, and hatch might cause more careful development to be needed.

    Full moon is in 1 week – Hopefully we’ll see Luna then?

    • Henry Kitt

      Member
      September 13, 2021 at 2:29 pm

      Yes, I definitely want for the alpha Luna to have the full solar package, and I want them to leave it parked outside and run tests on its solar efficiency daily. I think, though, that they’ve basically completed their solar engineering for this iteration and just want to see which of their 3 or so resin options provides the best mix of efficiency and durability/protection.

    • kerbe2705

      Member
      September 15, 2021 at 10:12 pm

      At one point I asked if there would be a non-solar option and was told that it was a “possible future consideration”. The “basic solar” package (dashboard, roof, tail) is supposed to generate up to 16 miles of range per day – I’m guessing the dashboard alone would be enough to run the flow-through ventilation system in hot weather.

  • Pistonboy Delux

    Member
    September 17, 2021 at 11:16 pm

    I don’t know how the solar mechanical lead guy is with solar cells, but he sure is chic.

  • kerbe2705

    Member
    September 20, 2021 at 1:56 pm

    This one is about the body control system.

    I especially like how Charlie speaks – both knowledgeably and reassuringly – about the nature of start-up vehicle design. https://youtu.be/6qdNhWIV-Yc

  • John Malcom

    Member
    September 20, 2021 at 6:53 pm

    Certainly can see the emphasis on engineering for efficiency and reliability. ????????

    Space systems control uses the principle of distributed processing (Control close to the sensor not centralized). Improves reliability tremendously as wells as reducing the cost of materials and improving speed of assembly and test lowering the probability of defects that are hard to trace as he mentioned experiencing before. Good to learn from past experience and avoid potential issues on our Apterae. WOW a long run on sentence ????

  • Michael Rennick

    Member
    October 4, 2021 at 12:48 pm

    Aptera has released its latest Makers Series video. It’s fantastic. The focus is on the body/composite engineers who are helping to make the car a reality.

    https://youtu.be/z9WtRNtyFew

    Back in a previous role I led a team of composite engineers at a major airline. I really appreciate the work that is going on at Aptera and the challenges that Anusha and John must be facing. These two fit the mold (ha – composites joke there) of a good composites engineer. Creative and determined to get it right.

    I wish more people understood the craft needed to get a good composites product. There are so many variables to keep track of and so many ways it can go wrong, but when it goes right they are amazing materials to work with.

  • Peter Jorgensen

    Member
    October 4, 2021 at 1:32 pm

    Former aerospace composites engineer here – Yep. Would love to see more of the molds and composite parts in the future!

    • kerbe2705

      Member
      October 4, 2021 at 2:41 pm

      There are images of the molds used for the alpha prototypes floating around…

      • Peter Jorgensen

        Member
        October 4, 2021 at 3:12 pm

        I want to see the beta molds! I already have pictures on my computer of alpha molds. I’m impatient I guess.

        These are from the Alphas:

  • GREG MIRICH

    Member
    October 5, 2021 at 10:45 am

    After watching the body in white video, I am a little confused. Will the basic body shell and other composite pieces be constructed with a white Gell coat?

    • Peter Jorgensen

      Member
      October 5, 2021 at 11:51 am

      Probably no gelcoat – it adds weight. Most likely just like the alphas – with straight fiberglass and maybe sealant or pigment in the composite or some sort of coating like that. Here’s Sol:

  • GREG MIRICH

    Member
    October 5, 2021 at 11:58 am

    Pigment in the composite would be a logical choice.

  • Wes Man

    Member
    October 19, 2021 at 8:00 am

    I’m really enjoying the “maker” series of videos. Can we get a maker video touching on some of the right to repair scenarios? I’m most interested in how we might access the battery for future upgrades. And how we might upgrade the solar cells. Is everything mostly plug and play? Or are there specifics future owners should know about?

    Would someone be able to swap out an individual solar cell and calculate their own cost benefit analysis before upgrading the entire set of cells?

    Could someone purchase the 400 mile range battery pack, and remove part of it for daily drives. Or add the next generation of battery packs onto the existing set (say 5 years down the road?)

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