The Aptera Width Issue

Aptera Community Aptera Discussions The Aptera Width Issue

Aptera Community Aptera Discussions The Aptera Width Issue

  • The Aptera Width Issue

     Tim Ngo updated 1 week, 1 day ago 109 Members · 329 Posts
  • Ramzy Abdallah

    Member
    September 16, 2021 at 11:20 am

    I do like to travel in my motor home. I was hoping to bring my Aptera along so I could utilize it at different locations I will be camping at. However the width at 84 inches will require me to get a trailer that’s over 7 ft wide I’m sure I could find one however I’m concerned them big fenders on the tires might be a hindrance. Anyone else have a concern about the width of the vehicle?

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  • Kevin Lyda

    Member
    September 16, 2021 at 11:20 am

    A week or so ago I noticed that the width of the Aptera is 2.2 meters. That’s a problem on Irish country roads – which is most of my driving.

    Will the European model be as wide as the American model? Would there be any consideration to making it a bit thinner?

    I currently drive a Tesla Model 3. I waited for it over a Model S specifically due to the width issue and unfortunately the Model 3 was only 3cm thinner. A car that’s 20cm wider is… problematic. Seriously, if any Aptera designers want to see Irish rural roads for a few days I’m happy to let them. Or I can send them some dashcam footage.

    • Oussama R

      Member
      November 19, 2022 at 1:14 pm

      Chris Anthony himself lived in London for a good while so he knows what it’s like. I want to believe they have something in mind to take care of this but I still can’t think of what that would look like.

  • Len Nowak

    Moderator
    September 16, 2021 at 1:38 pm

    Hey Kevin

    I hear you! Spent many business trips mainly County Cork area and down to Kensale and the Ring of Kerry( Lovely)

    Yes I even drove myself with the company car through round a bouts

    My white hairs developed there!

    But Aptera has answered this in their FAQ sections , if you search this 400+ answers and basically … For Europe and some other markets they will have to come up with solutions

    If you have ever been to the old streets of Philadelphia they are very tight too!

    But not like Ireland with rock walls along the winding roads and cattle or locals bowling in the roads!!!

    Cheers!

  • Riley …

    Member
    September 16, 2021 at 6:12 pm

    I lived a couple of years in county mayo and had to avoid those tight backroads with my comparatively large dodge. Aptera will have to make a European legal narrower version but there is no way to know how long that will be.

    • George Hughes

      Member
      September 16, 2021 at 9:51 pm

      The reason I’ve heard stated for the width is that the wheel pods need the separation from the cabin portion of the car to minimize the drag co-efficient. Having the fenders too close simply caused much greater wind resistance.

      Regardless, the change in width will require at least a new front suspension geometry with the penalty being an increase in drag because the wheel pods are now ‘too close’ to the main body; a design the founders rejected out of the box on first principle.

      The good news is the production process for the Aptera body is based on the design intrinsic to what amounts a custom mold. That means the lines of the European model may include a narrower cabin or even slightly different lines.

      My expectation is they will try several potential designs; maybe even on that brings the front wheels in-board with fully formed fenders… IF that is what the analysis of the aerodynamics suggests delivers the lowest drag.

      Of course it could be the same suspension geometry is used but the distance between the suspension mounts are narrowed with the hit on drag but it sounds like the need of being slippery through the air may not be as valuable in road-width restricted locales, including cities. Speeds are typically much lower in these environments and, if the hit on the highway results in 9.2 mi/kwh instead of 10.5, the smaller-width variant would likely get a following.

      If Aptera chose a full-fendered design , it might make sense to launch that city variant as a new model with increased space for solar.

      The good news is the task of adapting the Aptera to reduce the track, can involve changes across a spectrum of modifications from quick, down and dirty to the germination of a distinct city model.

  • Peter Jorgensen

    Member
    September 17, 2021 at 1:59 pm

    Alright, I did a little graphic project. Draw your own conclusions as you like.

    My opinion: It works fine anywhere a model X does.

    Here are dimensions for some vehicles for comparison:

    • John Trotter

      Moderator
      September 27, 2021 at 8:21 pm

      Peter, excellent work. Can the pictures be placed in the Ambassador file server so we could print them ourselves?

    • Andrew McKeown-Henshall

      Member
      August 21, 2022 at 2:12 am

      Hi. New here, UK reservation holder (30006?) 😎

      Only stumbled on the width issue after placing reservation 🙈.

      One potential saviour I came across during research this morning is that there is a very defined method of measuring width which “may” allow a little leeway and not require very drastic narrowing for L5e approval in EU…

      Was something about tyre contact width (excluding tyre sidewall “bulge” and “removable” mudguards)

      Will try and find the link.

      • Sam Hocking

        Member
        September 14, 2022 at 6:17 am

        L5E is length ≤ 4 000 mm and width ≤ 2 000 mm so it would only need to be narrowed by about 90mm, but as you say, I think the mudguards probably do not get measured so I would bet that wheel track is already bang on 2000mm already. It’s only ~90mm each side.

  • Peter Jorgensen

    Member
    September 17, 2021 at 2:00 pm

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  • Peter Jorgensen

    Member
    September 17, 2021 at 2:01 pm

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  • Peter Jorgensen

    Member
    September 17, 2021 at 2:01 pm

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  • Peter Jorgensen

    Member
    September 17, 2021 at 2:02 pm
  • Peter Jorgensen

    Member
    September 17, 2021 at 2:03 pm

    European cars comparison

  • Peter Jorgensen

    Member
    September 17, 2021 at 2:04 pm

    US Parking Lot comparison

    • Henry Kitt

      Member
      September 17, 2021 at 3:15 pm

      Thanks for taking the time out to do this, can be useful for silencing the critics. Actually every time I drive somewhere now I look at wide vehicles and see how easy it is for them to keep their lane. I also imagine what would happen if I’m going around something in the road while having a middle rear tire. Should be easy on both accounts, especially with safety pilot, which should stay in the lane better than a Tesla which likes to sway back and forth. Aptera says because of torque vectoring it won’t sway within lanes.

    • Titus Meusel

      Member
      September 19, 2021 at 1:46 am

      To have the complete picture you could add European parking lots of 2.5 m (minimum 2.3 m). Plus lane parking has mostly a width by just 2 m. And Teslas park rarely in my area – so the pods stick out. On the other hand the shape and overall height of the Aptera looks not as massiv as those brick shaped other cars plus doors opening to the sky. Aptera is discussing some minor changes for the European version. So I got to keep my feet calm until then – hoping such amendments might come at a later date.

  • Peter Jorgensen

    Member
    September 23, 2021 at 8:08 am

    EU 2.5M parking stalls – No problem here.

  • Peter Jorgensen

    Member
    September 23, 2021 at 8:09 am

    EU 2.3M parking stalls – Aptera is right to the lines. Also some cars won’t even be able to open their doors enough to get out. It’s a really tight squeeze.

  • Peter Jorgensen

    Member
    September 23, 2021 at 8:12 am

    Parallel Parking – EU – Model X doesn’t fit, Aptera doesn’t fit. Model 3 barely fits if you fold the mirrors. If this is your situation then your city doesn’t have room for Aptera or the Model X. You should look into the Nobe, Honda E, etc or a motorcycle. Or an ID-3, which we can’t get over here. At least you might be able to import an Aptera.

    • Pat V

      Member
      May 2, 2022 at 3:43 pm

      Interesting that you added Nobe, just don’t add it to your investments! Or put a deposit on it for that matter. youtu.be/uVP-luWVufg

  • Peter Jorgensen

    Member
    September 23, 2021 at 8:13 am

    Parallel parking in the US – 8 foot width, no problem. Aptera sticks out as much as a full size truck, but not really any more. If someone hits your front wheel pants at that point they probably would have hit anything.

    • Philip Raymond

      Member
      September 23, 2021 at 10:38 am

      Peter, these shots you have posted are very useful and should not be limited to this forum. You should email Aptera and suggest they add them to their webpage, where they have an overview of the vehicles features.

  • Stanislav Jaracz

    Member
    September 23, 2021 at 7:18 pm

    OK, so we have lots of top view images suggesting the width is not a problem. Thank you.

    How about parking? The driver next to me will be pulling out and turning. They won’t see the low pods. Only the chassis. What if the pods will have problems at parking lots?

    • Peter Jorgensen

      Member
      September 24, 2021 at 7:40 am

      Always park nose-in and you shouldn’t have an issue. You’re as likely to get hit as a corvette with low front fenders.

      Ultimately we’ll have to wait for driving reviews to get a better idea of things.

  • Raj Giandeep

    Member
    September 26, 2021 at 2:43 pm

    This weekend I cut a pipe to 88″ to get a better visual of how the Aptera would fit on the road, compared against other vehicles, parking, etc.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfJsHNOy7sA

  • kerbe2705

    Member
    September 26, 2021 at 3:15 pm

    Nicely done! Most people forget that vehicle dimensions posted online rarely include the width of the wing mirrors…

  • Philip Raymond

    Member
    September 26, 2021 at 3:46 pm

    Just to add some more thought to this post. The picture I have attached, is of the furnace exhaust pipe that pokes out of the side of my house that also has my driveway. My driveway 94 inches wide and this pipe sticks out 6 inches, which brings it to 88 inches at this pipe. The good news is, the top of the Aptera wheel covers at 27 inches high, will just make it under this pipe by one inch, as it’s 28 inches above ground at the end of it. I thought some other owners might have a similar situation at their house.

  • Lou Verner

    Member
    September 26, 2021 at 3:59 pm

    Thanks for the video…definitely reassuring that wheel width unlikely to be a concern under most circumstances! Still might be useful to include self parking as part of the level 2 package.

  • Hans Marius Torgersen

    Member
    September 28, 2021 at 3:19 am

    Isn’t the easiest solution simply redesigning/removing the wheel pods? I think I’ve read somewhere that removing them reduces the width by about 10 inches. Not sure how big of an effect it would have on drag, though. And if the turn signal is on the wheel pods they might have to be relocated. Seems to be the easiest solution by far to me.

    • Harry Parker

      Moderator
      September 28, 2021 at 10:38 am

      10 inches would be 5 inches per side. No way the wheel covers extend 5 in. from the outer edge of the tire. I’d guess less than 2 inches.

      Anyway, fenders exist for a safety reason on all cars, as well as to reduce drag. They prevent the throwing of mud, water, snow & stones. It’s illegal in most places to drive without wheel covers on public roads.

    • Peter Jorgensen

      Member
      September 28, 2021 at 1:52 pm

      Hans,

      The width of Aptera with the wheel pants removed is 83.8 inches or 2.13 meters for the Alpha versions, from outside of the tire rubber to outside of tire rubber.

      This means you get 2 inches (5cm) on either side if you remove the wheel pants.

      The front wheel covers are called wheel pants and the rear cover is the wheel skirt.

  • Richard Tidd

    Member
    September 28, 2021 at 11:42 am

    Thanks for this.

    What about fitting into single car garages?

    Will it fit though the entrance?

    • Harry Parker

      Moderator
      September 28, 2021 at 5:25 pm

      I took a tape measure to my pretty standard garage, built in 1976. It fits with about 4 inches to spare on each side. Tight, but doable.

      But most of the time I’ll park it under the Sun. Maybe get a cover for it to protect against winter storms.

      • James Gatan

        Member
        June 19, 2022 at 12:06 pm

        Same here. My garage has a 94in width. Actually it will be 92in, as it has a 1″ L metal garage door stopper, on each side. Basically, it will be a tight 2in clearance from the wheel pant side wall. Still a go for my pre order though. Besides, it will be parked most of the time outside basking under. My ICE 6MT Mazda6 may (or may not; to be sold?) park inside. We’ll see..

    • Laura Batchelor

      Member
      November 18, 2022 at 6:41 am

      Maybe you can figure out a solution like MyParker. It’s a UK company, but someone is probably doing the same thing in the USA. https://www.myparker.co.uk/

  • Nazhi Hamdan

    Member
    November 10, 2021 at 10:00 am

    I saw a few days ago a top down picture of an aptera overlayed on a model 3. Can anyone post it please? Displaying the overall width is one thing but nobody talks about the actual saloon size.

    Thank you!

  • Len Nowak

    Moderator
    November 10, 2021 at 10:14 am

    I assume you are speaking about an overlay a forum person did based on Aptera original anticipated size.

    Attached is an original spec sheet from Aptera. But the Beta will be a little larger ( passenger area) for more passenger room. So until they get to a production intent vehicle… we don’t have the final dimensions

    I would he surprised if much different bigger than the upcoming 6-12 beta vehicles

  • Riley …

    Member
    November 10, 2021 at 7:12 pm

    Here you go

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