Accesability to drive through locations

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  • Accesability to drive through locations

  • Patrick Keenan

    Member
    May 28, 2022 at 9:55 am

    How will an Aptera driver be able to reach the ATM machine or Turnpike self-pay machines? Right now, I have to pull up very close in my Corolla to reach these machines. This will be impossible with the Aptera wheels sticking out. Obviously, I could get the e-pass for the turnpike, the ATM is useful.

  • Dennis Swaney

    Member
    May 28, 2022 at 10:20 am

    Well, most toll roads/bridges nowadays use license plate photos for backup charging. I don’t live where there are toll roads so when I drive in states that have them but are unmanned collection (like the Golden Gate Bridge in California), I go through the access booth and later receive a bill in the mail. I then just send them a check for payment. I’ll do the same with the Aptera.

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  • Scott

    Member
    May 28, 2022 at 10:26 am

    Hi Patrick, if there is sufficient lateral room for the door to arc open, your easiest option may be to just open the door.

    The wheel pants do stick out some. However, the amount they stick out laterally is not necessarily more than side view mirrors on a pickup truck or such would stick out, and those owners readily use ATM and turnpike machines. You will also likely be able to reach low ATMs and turnpike machines through the current lower retractable window. However, the current low split window design will restrict your arm from easily reaching up to high points. The thick mid-window frame will likely be annoying since it will be right at or near eye level for many drivers and you will have to bob your head up & down around it to see around it and interact with an ATM. If you can open the door instead, then you will at least have a clear view and open arm reach access. Main downsides to opening the door are that it does extend out further laterally than the wheel pants (so requires more open air space to the side/above) and you might get a little rain inside (though the doors will also act like an umbrella since they will be above you).

  • Curtis Cibinel

    Member
    May 28, 2022 at 10:28 am

    The Aptera windows are of questionable utility because of this. If you need to get to the drivethrough window you may need to park far enough away to open the door and step out briefly. Alternatively we need the Fing-longer (futurama reference).

    Personally I would be love to lose the opening window entirely in favor of this reenforced double bubble concept by Peter Jorgensen.

    • Scott

      Member
      May 28, 2022 at 12:45 pm

      Curtis, I completely agree with you. I would even be happier (as an easier first step improvement) to just get a single piece solid non-retractable full size upper window that does not have that field of view blocking mid-window frame through it (retractable full window would of course be preferred, but Aptera is not willing to reduce its aero numbers a bit to provide that). Peter’s bubble door concept would be even better as long as its middle reinforcement bar can still provide good side impact protection.

      • GLENN ZAJIC

        Member
        May 28, 2022 at 1:43 pm

        If I recall correctly, the reason they don’t have a fully retractable window was that it wouldn’t fit in the door. The shape and size preventing that. They could have made it retract from the top down but it would not totally retract. The aero hit was just where the seal was. It was determined that a lower point on the side would produce less turbulence than one at the roof line.

        • Scott

          Member
          May 28, 2022 at 2:06 pm

          Glenn, you are correct. The current design is all within the assumption of the existing curved shell shape and door sizes plus optimizing aerodynamics. They also could have provided more space for a retractable window, though that would have resulted in a bit of a modification to the shell curvature. The shell shape and window location is optimized for aerodynamic efficiency and they want to keep that design criteria fully optimized even if it results in issues with the side windows. Over a year ago, a forum member (loswa) proposed some alternatives of varying desirability (examples below), though it is unknown if the Aptera team ever looked into these and other alternatives to get rid of that mid-window frame. Going with a solid, single piece, non-retractable window (or Peter’s bubble door concept) would actually be even better aerodynamics with no frame/seal turbulence at all, reduced parts, reduced cost, and reduced weight, but it would have the downside of no retractable window (ventilation would be through the interior vents).

  • Joshua Rosen

    Member
    May 28, 2022 at 11:40 am

    Toll roads are a non-problem, just get an EZ-Pass. Drive thrus may be a problem, I always have to open my door when I go to the bank or to a junk food drive thru. I worry that the gull wing doors might be an issue but then again they might be easier, won’t know until I have the car.

    • Dennis Swaney

      Member
      May 29, 2022 at 9:42 am

      That is a non-starter for two reasons: First there are those who DON”T live anywhere there are toll roads/crossings, second there are 36 states & territories that have toll roads/crossings, but only 15 of them use the EZ-Pass system. While some progress has been made to get the other 21 to use EZ-Pass, many of them just have small local toll facilities rather than state ones. Since my state doesn’t have any toll facilities I will just use their manned cash collection booths, or let them send me a bill via the license plate photo system.

      • John Malcom

        Member
        May 29, 2022 at 10:09 am

        Good information!

        Didn’t know that about toll roads in the US. I live in FL. They are everywhere many without booths especially in the Orlando area. Need EZ-Pass or you have to pay the toll and a fine for running through the automated booth with no person to collect but cameras!

        • Dennis Swaney

          Member
          May 30, 2022 at 7:46 am

          John, I don’t see how they can fine drivers in cars that are NOT registered in Florida. When I drove my then California licensed Prius on Massachusetts and Virginia toll routes, I just received a bill for the toll in the mail. I’m guessing FL registered rental cars have EZ-Pass installed by the rental companies?

      • Joshua Rosen

        Member
        May 29, 2022 at 10:24 am

        Dennis, you don’t have to live in a state with EZ Pass to get one. Mine is from NH even though I live in MA. I got a NH EZ Pass because I mostly use NH toll roads and you get a discount from the state that issued the pass (at least NH offers a discount, don’t know about other states). The cost of a transponder is minuscule, NH charges $6.69. They work in every Eastern state that has toll roads and as far West as Illinois and Minnesota. In the last few years high speed EZ Pass has been implemented where the detectors are mounted over the road so you don’t have to slow down and go through toll booths anymore. If you rely on your license plate you’ll pay more. If you plan to do any traveling East of the Mississippi its a very worthwhile investment. If you are traveling West of the Mississippi I don’t know what you should do, it looks like Western states are islands with their own systems.

        • kerbe2705

          Member
          May 29, 2022 at 3:16 pm

          True. I purchased an EZ-Pass in PA for the times I travel along the east coast: There are no toll roads in MS, where I live. During a recent trip to OK, though, I discovered that they had their own discrete transponder system.

          • Kevin Bradbury

            Member
            May 29, 2022 at 6:03 pm

            OK’s system works for KS, North TX and of course OK. Think these are the states that continue to collect tolls lonnng after the road is paid for. Too big of a cash cow to stop collecting those tolls. “Oh the tolls are still collected for maintenance and upkeep.” Uh huh, then why do I have to collect my fillings off the floor board after driving on your “upkept and maintained” toll road?🤨

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