AWD install later?

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Aptera Community Aptera Discussions AWD install later?

  • AWD install later?

  • Ronald Williams

    Member
    September 18, 2022 at 11:07 am

    Hello everyone. It’s my first time posting on here. Does anyone know If we order a FWD would we be able to install the rear motor later ourselves? In there by turning FWD into an AWD?

    I heard that if you just ordered the FWD version you can get the Aptera faster. Does anyone know if that’s correct? Or is that only if you order the 40 kW version?

    On a side note I really hope my trustworthy Prius holds out until the Aptera comes. I have 220,000 mi and every time I start up I cross my fingers lol. I keep saying in my head come on baby I need the last two more years haha

  • John Voules

    Member
    September 18, 2022 at 11:17 am

    Hey Ronald…depending on how far back you ordered…it may not make a difference. They have mentioned that it will not take long soon after production starts. The 1st 1,000 vehicles or so will be nearer to APTERAs home. They do plan on ramping up quickly including all wheel drive. Adding the 3rd motor after maybe an option, remember they will contact you while your in-line about your configuration, at which point you could ask them directly when all wheel drive will be available if it’s not already happening.

  • Curtis Cibinel

    Member
    September 18, 2022 at 11:26 am

    I would recommend asking Aptera but until they hit production they might not be able to give you a clear answer.

    Installing the additional motor/inverter/lines is probably non-trivial and with an existing vehicle could involve serious disassembly. I suspect adding a AWD motor to an existing aptera would be time consuming and require some automotive lift equipment if the belly pan needs to be lowered. Specific safety procedures need to be followed when working with high voltage so I think this would either need to be done by Aptera or specialist shops.

    • kerbe2705

      Member
      September 18, 2022 at 11:36 am

      @Curtis Cibinel Couldn’t agree more: NOT a DIY project! Each motor has it’s own controller, along with power and coolant lines, so it would be a major after-production undertaking. Just adjusting the suspension and dialing-in the new software would require specialist skills!

  • Joshua Rosen

    Member
    September 18, 2022 at 12:14 pm

    Unless I misheard on one of the FC Live videos they said the Gammas was AWD so it doesn’t look like that will be a gating item. Battery size will matter, they have engineering to do on the larger packs, but unless you are at the head of the reservation line the AWD should be available by the time your number comes up.

    • Ronald Williams

      Member
      September 18, 2022 at 6:03 pm

      Hey thanks everyone for the quick replies. I’m glad to know that choosing the AWD drive option won’t change the delivery speed. I only put down a reservation back in May of 2022. So, it looks like adding AWD won’t store down my delivery. 👍. I also put down for the 40 kilowatt in the hopes it might keep me on track for a mid 2024 delivery.

      By the way I was not looking forward to trying to add a rear-wheel drive motor myself. I’m pretty mechanically inclined but I don’t have a lot of experience with my high voltage. One time I replace the heating elements on my hot water heater and zap the crap out of myself lol

  • Len Nowak

    Moderator
    September 18, 2022 at 1:01 pm

    Of course the limited edition Paradigms would not apply, but…The threads seem to be in line with my “OLD notes” on this…( As stated, Best to check with info@aptera.us. I would think post Delta/ Production intent they should have a better idea )

    US

    Aptera Roll out

    Limited Edition Paradigm*

    Paradigm 40 kWh ( 220 units )

    Normal production*

    25 kWh

    40 kWh

    60 kWh

    Re. 100 kWh

    Limited edition Paradigm Plus 100 kWh ( 110 units)

    100 kWh normal production

    *TBD but basically….

    👉CA first. Most likely nearby states to follow and spreading out “as decided” for best customer experience.

    👉Reservation date will factor in as well on all.

    👉 Some past fund raisers offered a priority place, when a specific production started, based on investment level. ( I didn’t bother to try to recover these notes as some date back to the Wefunder crowdfunded days )

    Availability of options

    My other assumptions…

    Possible factors…

    🤔Final validation

    🤔Supply chain

    🤔If the Paradigms are FWD, Full Solar , Enhanced Audio, hopefully they will be readily available for other orders?

    Notes:

    Paradigms reservation were taken the first day of offering, back in Dec 2020

    • Bart Cunningham

      Member
      September 18, 2022 at 2:46 pm

      In a recent interview I believe I heard them state the order as 40, 60, 25, 100.

      • Len Nowak

        Moderator
        September 18, 2022 at 2:52 pm

        I didn’t hear that, but that would get my choices earlier. I hope you are right!

        • Michael Marsden

          Member
          September 19, 2022 at 5:49 am

          That’s what they’ve been saying since the Fully Charged event. Also, 600 and 1000s would use a cell with a different form-factor, so it’s probably to maximise their early production rate and ramp-up revenue.

          I don’t know how the paradigm editions factor into that, I think 400,600,250,1000 is just the order of the non-paradigm vehicles.

          • OZ (It’s OZ, Just OZ)

            Member
            September 19, 2022 at 8:56 am

            You need to specify when you say “That’s what they’ve been saying” who the they is, I haven’t seen it said by Aptera, only by people who have read the info, or seen what may well have been a slip of the tongue. No one asked CA to verify the change, and it has not been officially stated by Aptera. (It may well be true, but I’ll wait for someone in authority to make it official.)

            • Michael Marsden

              Member
              September 19, 2022 at 9:46 am

              Chris Anthony

              Watch the factory inspection videos

            • OZ (It’s OZ, Just OZ)

              Member
              September 19, 2022 at 11:50 am

              “They” is a plural. I have watched the videos. From the onset Aptera has reiterated the order of production many times. Yes it could change, for many reasons. It would be a fairly significant change though, and it would likely be announced formally. This one instance of a different order, happened during an unscripted moment, during a very busy event filled week. I was surprised that none of the ambassadors and others present didn’t ask for a reiteration and verification at the time. Could Chris have let slip a major change in production that they have made? Sure. Could he have had a slip of the tongue? Equally possible. I’d wait for something a bit more definitive, before I started making an assured proclamation myself.

            • Michael Marsden

              Member
              September 19, 2022 at 12:09 pm

              He said it twice, on different videos, and it was also on one of the battery-info posters in the background.

              https://youtu.be/QfTxIW_YE-0?t=728

              If it was a mis-statement, why would they print the same thing on a poster?

              I’m curious why you’re arguing about this so much when multiple people have reported that Aptera said that?

            • OZ (It’s OZ, Just OZ)

              Member
              September 19, 2022 at 3:19 pm

              As far as I can tell, he said it once, and it was recorded on the various videos. I am an Aptera ambassador, and I am asked multiple questions on various forums and web pages, and like to make sure I am giving the correct information. The posters, if you care to note, are on the board from left to right, in order of size, from the smallest to the largest, I did not see anything pertaining to the order of construction. I have a request in for clarification at this time.

  • Ronald Williams

    Member
    September 18, 2022 at 7:04 pm

    Thank everyone for your helpful advice. Well that’s good news that The all-wheel drive option won’t slow down the delivery date.

    I really wasn’t looking forward to trying to add the rear wheel drive motor myself. I’m pretty mechanically inclined but I don’t have a lot of experience with high voltage.

    A few years ago I replaced the heating elements on my hot water heater and zapped the you know what out of myself lol. I could have sworn I shut off the electricity but obviously I didn’t haha.

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