MemberApril 4, 2022 at 1:16 am
𝗗𝗶𝗱 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗸𝗻𝗼𝘄?: 𝗕𝗿𝗶𝘁𝗶𝘀𝗵 𝗖𝗼𝗹𝘂𝗺𝗯𝗶𝗮, 𝗖𝗔𝗡𝗔𝗗𝗔 is adopting 𝘇𝗲𝗿𝗼-𝗲𝗺𝗶𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝘃𝗲𝗵𝗶𝗰𝗹𝗲𝘀 more than anywhere else on the continent. #ITZTRUE 🇨🇦
𝗛𝗜𝗡𝗧: Fullfill the B.C. reservations with the U.S. reservations AND consider the 𝗢𝗸𝗮𝗻𝗮𝗴𝗮𝗻 𝗩𝗮𝗹𝗹𝗲𝘆 for a regional (ie. Canadian located) secondary factory. I’m sure you will find support & investment from government branches AND private.
MemberApril 4, 2022 at 9:46 am
No great surprise.
Vancouver realestate is nuts and the economy is going well. Lots of environmentalists here – I run a 8,000 person hiking group in a town of 150,000 people. With people liking BC but leaving Vancouver with money the rest of BC is a natural choice, cheaper and far nicer places to live. So basically we have people with money from selling vancouver realestate retiring or moving the family out of vancouver. The fact many companies allow working from home (thanks COVID for forcing hands), no reason to stay in an expensive dirty big city. I live in kelowna and Tesla are everywhere including Current Taxi (I haven’t used a gas cab in 5 years); my friend heads the BC tesla owners group and ia headed to the Giga Texas opening. FYI: SUVI and iZEV are bound up to dealerships and require the transaction/delivery in CAD for a preapproved vehicle list. We have minimal incentive programs for emotorcycles / aptera. Given high demand its probably time to switch from expensive incentives programs to lowering gas taxes (don’t punish the poor that can’t afford new EVs) and taxing new ICE sales.
PS: Plenty of big spaces here. The old costco or western star building have plenty of room. Kelowna is in a central position to be a sales / repair location for a huge population from vancouver, edmonton and calgary.
MemberApril 4, 2022 at 2:19 pm
Electric vehicles save drivers thousands of dollars over life of vehicle: Report
Sixty per cent of Canadians say it’s time to buy an EV and 51 per cent say they’ll never buy another gas-powered vehicle.
Media: EV saves you $30K – Canadians say only want EVs
MemberApril 7, 2022 at 7:16 pm
Recent Budget … Latest Canadian Budget.
“… billions of dollars… strategy that goes part and parcel with the government’s commitment to ramping up the use and domestic production of electric vehicles.”
There is a WIN/WIN to be had. Public & private investment or partnership to be had for a secondary factory. Gov’t priorizing efforts into domestic EV production.
HUGE OPPORTUNITY!! Mentioned this before. 😉
Consider out near me, in the beautiful Okanagan Valley of British Columbia.
MemberApril 11, 2022 at 5:56 pm
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says he wants to make it easier for more Canadians to drive electric vehicles.
MemberApril 16, 2022 at 7:09 am
cant make a electric car run without electronics if needed to before they lock u out of a car for political reasons. battery degradation means less life, “just buy a new car” while a camry from the 90s is still running.
they dont recycle batteries b/c they basically cant. it wont help emissiosn unlesss your running on clean energy.
future aptera will probably be a E fuel, mabe based on carbon capture, maybe algae, maybe recyling plastics into fuel, etc. unless battery tech imporves.
ModeratorApril 16, 2022 at 6:43 pm
Account hacked by a “friend”?
Not a helpful post. April Fool’s Day was over 2 weeks ago.
Really, EV batteries are already being recycled. Aptera runs on the cleanest source of energy.
MemberApril 16, 2022 at 7:41 pm
Battery tech is moving at lightning speed. As Harry has stated ,batteries are being recycled and that that activity will grow as more batteries complete their life cycle. There are million mile batteries in the lab now. A while before they are cost effective commercially. Can that Camry go one million miles? Can’t get more environmental friendly that sun powered!😁
- This reply was modified 2 months, 2 weeks ago by John Malcom. Reason: Corrected spelling
MemberApril 17, 2022 at 11:59 am
We have million mile batteries on the road now (depending on acceptable degradation). LFP batteries deep cycle happily and have minimal losses over time. Something other than battery degradation will kill cars (ie other cars). It isn’t unreasonable to expect that with the battery life and active safety systems that EVs could last well past the typical 10-15 years of ice cars; maybe 50 years. Most people won’t drive 1 million miles in their lifetime.
Given the degradation even from 2170 based teslas, an Aptera at 1 MILLION MILES will still probably have 75% of the battery capacity; that is still 300 miles on the 400 mile rated vehicle after a VERY long life. People get panicky when they lose 5% in the first few years but the numbers show that pace doesn’t hold. LFP would improve the situation further but this really is a non-issue.
MemberApril 18, 2022 at 4:30 pm
My experience with battery degradation was with a 2012 Nisan Leaf. First electric car, did not know what to expect. Within three years the battery range was below usable for my commute and of course not much charging infrastructure. available at the time. My personal limit is 15 maybe 20% at the most. It depends on our personal limits/tolerance.
Now battery mileage is not so important with charging infrastructure expanding and people a little more comfortable with ranges as low as 250mi. I ordered a 400mi Aptera because being an old guy I can’t kick the subconscious rage anxiety.
I support LFP batteries certainly because of their charge characteristics, but other factors as well. I have a colleague that owned a Bolt that caught fire because of his battery. So safety is important. And of course price and the materials they are made of. With the growing charging structure, the lower miles per charge is no longer a negative in my opinion.
I, and I am sure, all of the forum members appreciate your technical expertise and sharing it with us. It tactfully puts to rest many of the speculations based on opinions when you document the technical facts. So Thanks!
MemberApril 18, 2022 at 9:18 pm
Here are some related sources. Obviously their are not a huge number of vehicles with 500k+ real world miles that use primarily home/slow charging (especially with LFP). Most are related to Tesla directly. Slow charge and limited depth of discharge is known to extend battery life so it isn’t unreasonable to expect that if a 400 mile aptera is subjected to driving comparable to 2170 based model 3 (with 250 mile range) you can avoid using the top/bottom of the battery very often.
Note: The Leaf has no thermal management and its range is limited to the point it will be frequently used with a high DOD (depth of discharge). Assuming the Aptera will be comparable to Tesla 2170 is an assumption but it is definitely a more reasonable analog than the leaf. Speculatively, I will also say that Chris seemed open to looking at LFP based on the ambassador call a few months ago so I think it is not unrealistic to expect we could see a LFP transition within a few years. LFP continues to improve and get cheaper with mass use in china.
– Model S/X show low degradation to 200k and the pace is slowing based on available stats. Assuming 2170 will be comparable is an assumption but not a huge one. https://insideevs.com/news/525820/tesla-battery-capacity-retention-90/
– Another article regarding tesla degradation but it assumes linear degradation https://www.findmyelectric.com/blog/how-long-does-a-tesla-battery-last/
– Model 3 sample with negligible degradation after 100K https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3-battery-range-loss-100k-miles-video/
– Article that claims LFP may see 2 million miles of life in LFP with model 3 https://thedriven.io/2021/01/19/warmed-up-electric-car-batteries-could-be-cheaper-safer-and-last-two-million-miles/
– Article that shows lab tests of LFP degradation. Also supported by many simplified statements often given by sources regarding LFP in general. https://www.onecharge.biz/blog/lfp-lithium-batteries-live-longer-than-nmc/
– Article on LFP for Tesla. https://www.torquenews.com/14335/teslas-lfp-batteries-important-development-battery-technology
<font face=”inherit”>– Article on LFP </font>degradation<font face=”inherit”> that shows that ~70% depth of discharge stretches life to 10,000 cycles. That is ~1.5 million miles if applied to a 400 mile Aptera. </font>https://www.powertechsystems.eu/home/tech-corner/lithium-iron-phosphate-lifepo4/
– Here is an article specific to LFP at low temperatures. https://www.autoevolution.com/news/tesla-s-new-lfp-battery-truly-shines-in-sub-zero-temperatures-looks-like-a-winner-178846.html
MemberMay 3, 2022 at 2:17 pm
The federal government intends to ban all new gas-powered car sales by 2023. Annie Bergeron-Oliver reports.
I’ve posted before that there is a huge opportunity for Aptera regarding public & private investment into a Canadian assembly plant (The Okanagan Valley of British Columbia, IMHO). I’d be all over this and assist.
CATCH those posts to avoid me repeating.
Also, feds & province have also just recently committed a billion dollars to Stellantis in a Ontario.
MemberMay 3, 2022 at 2:20 pm
Posting to see if it makes the post by Ron show up… (PS: it worked)
Here is a link if you don’t want the mobile site – standard 2035 ban. No idea where Ron got 2023. https://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=2433477
MemberMay 3, 2022 at 2:29 pm
- This reply was modified 2 months ago by Ron Ledohowski.