Battery upgrade after delivery

Aptera Community Aptera Discussions Battery upgrade after delivery

Aptera Community Aptera Discussions Battery upgrade after delivery

  • Battery upgrade after delivery

  • Tom R Lansing

    Member
    February 18, 2022 at 11:01 am

    Wonder if a battery upgrade program is possible after the delivery such as 40KWH to 60KWH? Seems like 40KWH batteries are planned at first then. Might be asking twice. If so opps.

  • Peter Jorgensen

    Member
    February 18, 2022 at 11:38 am

    We asked Aptera about that and they said no – we can’t upgrade after purchase.

    A few years down the road some clever people might be able to figure out how to swap the right parts out but generally what you get is what you’re stuck with. Go big or go home.

  • Tom R Lansing

    Member
    February 18, 2022 at 11:47 am

    My understanding they will only produce 40KWH until… Really would prefer 60 but don’t want to wait forever.

    • Oz (It’s Oz, just Oz)

      Member
      February 18, 2022 at 11:58 am

      From a question posed to Chris Anthony this week. Yes the order will be 400-250-600-1000, each pack has to be individually designed to fit in the vehicle, the 400s first. so the assembly process will start with those, as each pack design is completed they will begin producing that model at the same time as they are producing the earlier sizes. In the earliest webcast that was made, it was indicated that the roll out for all of the sizes would be over a relatively short time, I’m hoping that continues to be the case and will try to get an updated response to that from Aptera.

  • Kayleigh Venne

    Administrator
    February 18, 2022 at 11:55 am

    Hi Tom! You can upgrade your battery pack any time prior to delivery once logged into your https://www.aptera.us account and upon confirmation of the final configuration of your Aptera. However, currently, we are not planning to have the battery upgradable in segments. If you want a bigger pack you would have to replace the whole battery pack. This could be an option in the future! We’re all about continuous innovation, after all! But for now, our goal is to build this vehicle in a very modular fashion to keep the cost low and to hopefully help us scale really quickly.

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    • Oz (It’s Oz, just Oz)

      Member
      February 18, 2022 at 12:02 pm

      Kayleigh, thanks for that, any chance you can look at my entry above and weigh in with an estimate on the timeline for getting all four battery sizes in production once it starts?

      • Peter Jorgensen

        Member
        February 18, 2022 at 1:45 pm

        12 months after delivery of first Aptera.

        -Wild A Guess. Aptera doesn’t know.

        • John Malcom

          Member
          February 20, 2022 at 2:48 pm

          You are right at this point Peter. Too many things to get done before valid and reliable production guidance can be published. To early for even the exceptional Aptera Engineers to be able to forecast accurately. Here are some notional major tasks:

          1. Complete Beta testing according to plan

          2. Complete testing of remaining prototypes according to plan

          3. Compete engineering and production tasks to correct testing defects

          4. Retest according to plan to verify defect correction

          5. If more defects go to 3.

          6. Submit testing data to government for review and approval (They will act very quickly as usual 😉) Or submit vehicle to Government for their testing

          7. Government documents approval. OR go to 3. if gov finds issues

          8. Develop production guidance

          9. Management and Board approval of production guidance

          10. Conduct trial run of concept production activities (First and successive configurations)

          11. Evaluate and modify production processes based on results of proof of concept production activities

          12. Validate changes to production process activities

          13. Conduct first production run of first configuration

          14. Evaluate quality of vehicle

          15. Reengineer process and training if evaluated quality does not match standards

          16. Go to 10 for each new configuration

          Some tasks in parallel

          1. Hire production resources

          2. Develop production ready documentation

          3. Finalize and document production processes

          3. Develop Production training

          4. Train and test production resources

          5. Finalize supply chain based on production guidance

          6. Finalize production outfitting

          A lot to get done! Remember, Aptera is a startup that has never done vehicle production before. (New vehicle design, new vehicle engineering, new production facility, new production process, new, inexperienced production resources.

          Sometimes until you do it, you don’t know what you don’t know and what will go wrong.

    • Ray Holan

      Moderator
      February 20, 2022 at 12:32 pm

      Kayleigh, you are doing the forum a real service by posting. This gives us the benefit of hearing from someone inside the company rather than winnowing through our own speculations to come up with our best guess as to really what’s going on. I’d like to think we are, in the main, realists who realize Aptera is a work and a design in progress. As such, it is going to be fraught with twists and turns along the way. Keep up the good work!

  • Joshua Caldwell

    Member
    February 18, 2022 at 4:04 pm

    Early on, he said yes, upgrades were possible, now he is saying no.

    • John Malcom

      Member
      February 20, 2022 at 2:19 pm

      I don’t think Aptera ever advertised battery upgrades to the configuration initially purchased after the vehicle is delivered. If you have the reference please share with us.

      Aptera has always said you can change any part of your reservation configuration to include battery capacity up to the time you are contacted to purchase a vehicle.

      The batteries are not plug and play. Battery control hardware and software need to be changed, changes to the battery compartment where the batteries resideand the cooling system capacity need to be made. The suspension needs to be retuned for the new battery configuration as well. I am sure there are other changes, perhaps to the UI that would need to be made to accommodate the new configuration.

  • Elzo Stubbe

    Member
    February 20, 2022 at 7:46 am

    Some poetry: People not willing to wait…. but with an earlier preorder date… taking the option to downgrade… resulting in a much longer wait?

  • Charles Dearborn

    Member
    February 20, 2022 at 10:48 am

    Bummer on the upgrade. I was so looking forward to a loooong road trip. I guess I’ll wait for the bigger battery. It’s so hard to be patient when you are so excited to get your delivery.

  • Jacob Bunce

    Member
    February 20, 2022 at 1:12 pm

    Full battery replacements are obvious. They won’t make you junk the whole car just because the battery is used up. But it would certainly be a FULL replacement of all modules. It’s not a good idea to install multiple modules with different wear levels.

    However, a good question is… can you increase the capacity at the same time that you replace the entire battery? There are two main considerations here:

    1) Form factor / battery compartment. Is there physically enough room to install a larger battery? Are all apteras equipped with the same size battery compartment to leave physical room to install the largest-sized battery in all models?

    2) Battery tech. Over time, energy density will improve such that it should be physically possible to install a larger capacity in the same form factor as your older smaller capacity battery.

    • Vernon Michael Gardner

      Member
      February 20, 2022 at 7:52 pm

      3. For larger capacity may need to change some electronics. Kind of a wait and see.

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