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  • Vernon Michael Gardner

    Member
    August 21, 2022 at 2:29 pm

    Buttons or no buttons?

    https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a40949962/car-buttons-easier-than-touchscreens-study

  • Kevin Bradbury

    Member
    August 21, 2022 at 2:37 pm

    Buttons.

    Knobs.

    Would even enjoy a toggle or two.

  • Bob Kirchner

    Member
    August 21, 2022 at 2:42 pm

    Every indication so far is that Aptera’s HVAC and entertainment systems will be touch screen driven, mostly because it’s cheaper. I agree that it’s a trend that needs to die a painful death, but for now, Aptera needs to be competitive. I just hope there are switches for the lights, wipers and cruise control.

    • Bart Cunningham

      Member
      August 21, 2022 at 5:03 pm

      I agree I would like switches for some often used functions but lights? I have had my car almost three years and I have never touched the headlight switch. I really don’t do much with the headlight dimmer either as it is automatically controlled. Wipers, yes, Cruise Control, yes. A volume knob would be VERY useful.

  • Norman Roberts

    Moderator
    August 21, 2022 at 4:42 pm

    If they could utilize voice commands problem solved and safety would increase

    • Joshua Rosen

      Member
      August 22, 2022 at 10:37 am

      I wonder if they’ll have voice commands. I use Tesla’s all the time for things like turning on the wipers or setting the fan speed, works great. Unfortunately they are rolling their own infotainment software instead of buying it from Google like Polestar has. If they were to use Android Automotive they would automatically get the worlds best voice recognition plus Google Maps, Waze and lots of streaming services. Maybe they’ll license Alexa, that’s a another great solution for voice.

  • Jerry Kingzett

    Member
    August 22, 2022 at 9:50 am

    I vote for Buttons, Knobs, and Toggle Switches, Oh My. But keep it simple as possible. I just looked at my steering wheel on my two year old Chevy Bolt and discovered two buttons that I don’t know what they are for. The Bolt’s shifter is stupid because it just an expensive selector switch two buttons. As a lifelong user of a stick shift I have the bad habit of resting my right hand on the shifter while at a stop light and inadvertently pressed the park button multiple times. I would be happier with the controls on the Wuling Mini EV.

  • Clint Nichols Nichols

    Member
    August 22, 2022 at 11:40 am

    I am ok with touch-screen as they are constantly upgradable, and configurable, BUT some things really need to have a button or a knob. Even if it is just ONE thing. Have a volume/mute knob. I have a 2017 Ridgeline with a full touch screen and it is beyond aggravating to try to turn the volume down. Especially on those early mornings when you’re barely awake and you were blasting the volume on your favorite song the night before when you shut it off. While I do have a button on the steering wheel for this, the responsiveness of that, and the display screen are abysmal. The knob in my wife’s 2019 Odyssey is instantaneous, simply and efficient.

    • Jon Klinvex

      Member
      August 23, 2022 at 8:30 am

      Your first sentence is exactly how I feel. If Aptera is committing to make the vehicle upgradable over time, I’m okay with having everything in the screen. Buttons are definitely better, no question there. But I’ll forgo buttons if that means I can upgrade to better tech over time. No other car company I’m aware of will do that. I can’t imagine that the volume control wouldn’t be accessible by one of the steering wheel controls.

  • Paul Van Steenberghe

    Member
    August 22, 2022 at 9:23 pm

    Buttons, knobs and toggles are so much better for things like volume control, heating and ventilation, opening gloveboxes, wipers, etc. sure a touch screen and associated software can be upgraded and be used for many options, but for common things that are done while driving, I don’t want a touch screen, I want knobs, buttons and toggles.

    • John Voules

      Member
      August 22, 2022 at 9:29 pm

      Absolutely makes total sense. As you learn to use buttons you can feel around without taking eyes off road. Can’t be done on a screen…screens are more functional when you are stopped.

      • Paul Van Steenberghe

        Member
        August 22, 2022 at 9:35 pm

        Yes, screens are great for everything you don’t need to do while driving.

  • Patrick WÄCHTER

    Member
    December 11, 2022 at 4:47 am

    I’m a 100 % for knobs for some functions : heating, volume control, opening windows and wipers. It’s not only more convenient, but also safer. You only take your eyes off the road for a fraction of a second, if at all.

  • Paul Schultz

    Member
    December 11, 2022 at 5:34 am

    I have been following the Ineos Grenadier development. They combined a modern screen with steering wheel buttons. But, take a look at the buttons, knobs, toggles on their center console! People are loving it.

  • Craig Merrow

    Member
    December 11, 2022 at 6:21 am

    That looks more like a fighter jet cockpit!

    I’m for buttons/switches for the turn signals, lights, wipers and cruise; looks like Aptera has already integrated those into the steering column with stalks, which I am also ok with.

  • Jason Towne

    Member
    December 11, 2022 at 6:03 pm

    I’m fine with all touch screen, but as a current driver of a Honda Fit, I know the argument far too well. The Fit is a good example that has played with models coming out with a physical volume dial & did try a model with either buttons up/down or it was on a touch screen, I forget which. The model without a physical volume knob got a lot of hate from the Fit fans. Personally, I didn’t care either way. Due to the hate the knob-less volume control model got, they brought it back in the model after that one.

    All that said, for computers we often see plug & play accessories that take over some controls or give extra controls to a computer. Maybe something can be done for the Aptera like this? Unsure if it is doable or not, but what if someone made a console unit that plugged into the Aptera’s USB port and gave it physical knobs/buttons for various functions? Computers already have USB knobs that allow for volume adjusting or macro buttons to easy access features.

  • James Lee

    Member
    December 11, 2022 at 6:07 pm

    Touch screens = distracted driving.

    If I can’t legally touch my gps while the vehicle is in motion, how am I supposed to put my windows down in an aptera legally ? Turn down the heat ? Turn on the wipers ? Etc.

    Distracted driving laws are very real.

  • Paul Kirchner

    Member
    December 11, 2022 at 6:36 pm

    I can’t remember if there’s been talk of voice commands for any of the touchscreen functions.

  • Joel Smith

    Member
    December 11, 2022 at 7:10 pm

    Not sure where I picked up on the rumor, but seems to me that I have heard that the two buttons on the steering yoke will be programmable. A parallel thought is why must they be simple buttons? Why not two axis toggle buttons? I may be mis-naming them, but what I am talking about have been ubiquitous on video game controllers for years and would provide actuation of five different functions each.

    How many functions do you think you need to control without moving your hands from the yoke? Especially if you can pick and choose which ones?

    All just speculation on my part but seems plausible enough, no?

    • J.P. Morere

      Member
      December 11, 2022 at 7:52 pm

      I am sure that the programmable controls on the yoke are in the very least two way (up/down) switches. More likely they are scroll wheels like Tesla uses. Better yet, they should also have push and left/right click functions, though somehow I doubt that the design team has been this forward thinking. Maybe they’ll read this comment and incorporate the idea in their design.

  • George Hughes

    Member
    December 11, 2022 at 8:08 pm

    In an earlier discussion on this general topic, it was noted that many of the items in the Aptera are connected via an internal network (windows/doors/etc/) that use electronic signals to activate. It was further suggested that the functions controlled on the mainscreen, could be developed into a phone app. If that is true, then standalone buttons designed to transmit a particular signal for a particular operation could be developed and installed as third-party additions. This is strictly a communications thing and it is imminently solvable. Basically, if you can do it with a phone app; you can do it with a ‘button’ device.

    Beyond that, I’m curious how effectively one might flip through the Aptera interface with the use of the two scroll-type buttons on the yoke. Depending on the cleverness of the programmers doing the interface, you can do a lot with scrolling buttons.

    I mean it would seem feasible to have a switch about the size of a box of matches that is Velcro-ed to the door to roll the window up and down powered by a button battery. It is a matter of flipping a switch to provide power to the window motor. It would be cool if you could program the button using the yoke’s scrolling buttons :).

    A better future is what we all hope for, but in the end, it is and will be what it is.

  • Robert Cheal

    Member
    December 12, 2022 at 9:32 am

    IMO Tesla has it right. Two scroll wheels on the steering wheel and a touch screen. There is a learning curve. When I got used it I have found there is no need for anything else – just requires a little weaning from the traditional knobs and buttons!

    • Jonah Jorgenson

      Member
      December 12, 2022 at 9:35 am

      👍 Same experience. It takes a willingness to adapt. Most who complain about the screen have not driven a vehicle with the screen as an interface. Of course, none have driven an Aptera with their implementation of a screen interface. I think it is an adapt or go with another less capable vehicle.

      • This reply was modified 1 month, 2 weeks ago by  Jonah Jorgenson. Reason: update content
  • Jonathan Gingerich

    Member
    December 13, 2022 at 8:30 am

    To me it’s about safety over entertainment, convenience or cost. How long does the driver need to look away from the road to make the adjustment? I don’t have to look down at the brake pedal to use it. The time it takes to look away to roll down a window or adjust the airflow should be minimized. If a voice command can do that reliably, I guess I can get used to it. Otherwise I like a tactile button, knob or switch.

  • Rex Schneider

    Member
    December 14, 2022 at 11:25 am

    I’d like it to look like this but I will settle for a screen

  • William Tiller

    Member
    December 14, 2022 at 5:28 pm

    I personally think the EV manufacturers are going a little over board with the screen controlling everything. Let me adjust air vents without having to touch a screen. That also saves having to put a motor in that will eventually fail.

  • Michael May

    Member
    December 15, 2022 at 10:33 am

    The latest interview with Jason Hill indicates that there will be less functionality on the yoke buttons than was previously announced. Sounds like the left button will be volume up/down, and the right one will be the horn.

    I think that there will be an active after-market for Aptera hard-switches. Some smart person will figure out how to make physical switches interface with the Aptera, and start selling 3D printed units for us to mount.

    • J.P. Morere

      Member
      December 15, 2022 at 6:57 pm

      I noticed that and it’s rather disappointing. I was looking forward to having two programmable scroll wheelson the yoke. Can’t they do something better for the horn button?

      • John Hermann

        Member
        December 18, 2022 at 11:13 am

        Yeah, that’ll be another pretty big miss in my opinion if the yoke controls are limited to just volume and horn.

    • Jonah Jorgenson

      Member
      December 18, 2022 at 1:01 pm

      I do not recall any Aptera announcement about programmable yoke buttons for the initial production Apteras. A lot of speculation and assumption, but can someone provide a reference to when Aptera said there would be preogrammable buttons on the initial Apteras? Perhaps a candidate for an over the air update after delivery.

      • John Hermann

        Member
        December 18, 2022 at 1:54 pm

        I think the better question is why the buttons would be limited to just those functions? Programmable or not, the yoke is the primary interface between the driver and the vehicle and the place where frequent-use controls should be.

  • James Lee

    Member
    December 15, 2022 at 10:36 am

    I don’t have to look for my window buttons or my door locks , I know exactly where they are and can FEEL them

    There is a reason for the F and J on your keyboard having a bump on them. It’s to position your hands so you can type without looking at the keyboard.

    You don’t have to look at the break or clutch gas etc. You know where they are.

    A giant touch screen is one more distraction you don’t need.

    My old boss rear ended someone in his Prius because he was looking at the “presumed” gas mileage and so focused on getting to 99mpg he didn’t look up and whamo.

    I remember setting the clock in my friends Benz. You have to go through so many folders and sun menus to set the stupid clock after daylight savings time it’s insane.

    What’s the point ? So prove you can make it as difficult as possible ?

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