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Aptera Community Aptera Discussions Body shell info

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  • Mike Suding

    Member
    December 25, 2021 at 7:51 am

    It looks like it in the Christmas beta email photo but I didn’t find any mention in FAQ or other official source. Just mentioned in community forum by non-employees.

    • This discussion was modified 3 months, 2 weeks ago by  bbelcamino.
  • Ray Holan

    Moderator
    December 25, 2021 at 8:20 am

    Mike, Chris Anthony showed a sample of the honeycomb construction in one of Aptera’s videos. Absolutely sure about that, however I haven’t done a search fo the specific video.

  • Alain Chuzel

    Member
    December 25, 2021 at 8:44 am

    Starting at about 10:10 here:

    • Curtis Cibinel

      Member
      December 25, 2021 at 11:05 am

      Thanks for sharing this. I don’t know how I missed this video but its really well produced and has some info I didn’t know about.

  • kerbe2705

    Member
    December 25, 2021 at 9:02 pm

    If you study still images from the latest video you’ll see that the sandwich material is used in some parts of the shell and not in others: The difference in panel thickness it evident.

  • Audra

    Administrator
    December 30, 2021 at 8:58 am

    Hi Mike,

    I am late to the party! Thanks to everyone who stepped in with information. I can confirm the body of the Aptera is of a honeycomb composite structure.

    Thank you for asking!

    Audra

  • Len Nowak

    Moderator
    December 30, 2021 at 12:05 pm
  • David Marlow

    Member
    April 9, 2022 at 7:02 am

    I thought that Aptera would be producing there own body shells, however Chris said in a recent interview wit Aptera owners club that they were looking at other companies to produce them. This could be a significant set back for production, will there be time to get production of them going if they are just starting to talk about it. The current production seems to be at about one every two months.

  • kerbe2705

    Member
    April 9, 2022 at 8:21 am

    The Alpha and Beta shells were being custom-fabricated on an as-needed basis by a specialist company in Reno, NV. I’m under the impression that Aptera has found a supplier or suppliers who is/are capable of producing them at the rate required.

    Note, though, that – in the same interview – Chris stated that Aptera hasn’t yet decided upon the materials and manner in which certain panels will be fabricated. Although things are moving quickly, it’s still “early days” at Aptera – we won’t start seeing final decisions being made until the Gamma and Delta phases of development.

  • George Hughes

    Member
    April 9, 2022 at 9:56 am

    As I understand it they are using processes considered common in the construction of composite aircraft.

    Composites, we know, have not been used extensively in automotive because of the speed of the operation limits production from a single die or mold.

    I suspect that there may be a machine in the process of being engineered that will largely automate this process in what I would call a poor man’s mega-casting machine. While Musk’s mega-casting machine will out put, what five or ten or maybe 20 rear or front cradle castings a minute, the expectations for the composite equivalent is maybe one composite casting every five minutes.

    This compares, of course, to the garage boat builder who may take weeks or months to complete a composite hull for their vessel.

    It would make a great deal of sense for aptera to invest in a ‘mega-mold’ composite casting machine that accelerates the production of this critical component. I suspect such a mega-machine will appear sometime – hopefully relatively quickly – after the IPO.

    But there is no question that this area will be the source of news as we approach the implementation of the first production line. Solving the issues of mass manufacture of these components is a potential jungle in the city state known as production hell.

    • Jonah Jorgenson

      Member
      April 9, 2022 at 11:30 am

      A great analogy for production! I know you have attribution rights, but I have to post this analogy in my work place. Sounds like generated from personal experience

      • George Hughes

        Member
        April 9, 2022 at 2:46 pm

        At first I was going to say no, I’ve had no experience in production hell but then, as a media person with a slew of titles from cameraman to news editor and publisher and having credits in radio, television, newspapers and magazines, it only took me a second to realize that career is production hell every deadline. I mean all it takes to ruin one’s day in that field is for a plane to fall out of the sky or some deprived soul turn a half-dozen lives inside out.

        But a newspaper plant with its massive news room, composing, pre-press and press room containing a rather large machine that feeds ink onto paper, cuts, folds, wraps and distributes anywhere from 10,000 to as many as a million or more half-pound bundles to individuals typically over a multi-county encompassing hundreds, if not thousands of square miles with meaningful (hopefully) information every day is logistical nightmare and a production hell.

        But as they say out the back door of the Baptist church where the kids pass around old butts and half-pints, we’re all sinners and we’re used to it.

    • kerbe2705

      Member
      April 9, 2022 at 9:37 pm

      One difference between casting metal and molding composites is that metals don’t require time to cure: The resins used to solidify SMC and resin-infused composites take time to “set-up”, even if they’re UV-activated.

      The various composite parts are then connected with adhesives – not mechanical fastenings like welds, bolts or rivets – so, again, there is a time-factor until the adhesives cure.

      If you’ve watched the recent interviews and updates you’ve heard the Aptera “factory” referred to as the “Final Assembly Facility. Aptera has NEVER, EVER spoken about making parts in-house: They have been sourcing parts since day one. Aptera does not plan to be an end-to-end manufacturer like Tesla – with raw metal coming in one door and completed vehicles rolling out another.

      • George Hughes

        Member
        April 9, 2022 at 11:24 pm

        Outsourcing components is common in automotive and while the majors these days all have in-house operations for their body building operations, even GM started out with custom body makers. If any one remembers Body by Fisher – which adorned every GM car for over 60 years from the 1920’s up until 1984 (after ’25, Fisher Body was a division of GM.)

        I am assuming that the body’s will be shipped as the four basic panels to the assembly plant. Wiring harnesses and other parts are added prior to the parts being bound for final assembly. The reason I think this is how it will happen is because its is going to be easier to ship the parts as loads can be packed more densely.

        That decision, while it wouldn’t make much difference if the body manufacturer was nearby – a likely circumstance – until you try supplying multiple assembly plants.

        In anycase, production at the rate of 10,000 Aptera a year would not pose a problem.

        In a world where the US powerboat market pumps out just over a quarter-million water craft annually, if Aptera becomes a surprise massive hit … with sale potentials into the six figures … will require a scaling of production that represents a new order of magnitude for any composite shell production of a complex mobility appliance.

        How Aptera plans to supply this most cumbersome component to five, ten … fifty or a hundred mini-assembly plants world-wide in four years is the question I’m thinking about.

        Is the monocoque centrally produced and distributed like all the other components to individual assembly plants … or are the monocoques going to be formed locally, either in-house or from an independent local supplier.

        The plain fact is I have no idea how Chris or Steve are thinking about this. I’m thinking my imagination that they were looking at centralizing body-making seemed to me the more feasible alternative because of my notions about protecting the IP surrounding its ‘design’.

        As I see Aptera progress toward its destiny, what ever that destiny may be, I find it a fascinating story as it develops. It is entertaining.

  • Patrick Liebknecht

    Member
    April 9, 2022 at 8:24 pm

    I watched that interview , I was troubled by a few answers:

    Mainly the question about supply chain issues:

    The answer was , we aren’t going to be making “insert part here” so we won’t have the supply chain problem, we will be getting complete front suspensions from “insert vendor here”

    Okay So No aptera won’t have the supply chain problems…. However the parts still have to come from somewhere to the vendor that’s building the completed pieces to aptera.

    So is that a deliberate misleading answer ?

    Or a round about answer that makes things sounds like they won’t have problems ?

    Either way , it’s still not factual There will still be supply chain issues period Maybe not directly to aptera But if the front suspensions are built elsewhere , it means they won’t show up wile the vendor deals with the supply chain issues

    • kerbe2705

      Member
      April 9, 2022 at 9:29 pm

      To those who are fluent with American English, Chris’ response made complete sense: As suppliers are not yet supplying parts to Aptera and Aptera is still in the process of negotiating contracts, Aptera is unable to name those suppliers.

      We cannot know if Aptera will face supply-chain problems: Most of the supply-chain issues currently faced by US manufacturers are between Asia and the US and most of Aptera’s parts are being sourced from North American and European countries. Chris stated that he did not EXPECT there to be any issues – which is in no way misleading as there very well might not BE any issues.

  • GLENN ZAJIC

    Member
    April 10, 2022 at 12:16 am

    Outsourcing subassemblies from others is just fine and can be a great labor saver. But it does require a great QC/QA receiving inspection department. You cannot have inferior goods show up ‘just in time’ to be sent back or rejected. These outside manufacturers have to keep on top of it!!

  • Elzo Stubbe

    Member
    April 10, 2022 at 2:51 am

    In the future, when the money comes in, Aptera can invest in vertical integration of the production processes and do most, if not all, in house. And finally expand to more production facilities world wide. This way profits will rise and prices of the final product will drop(I hope) If they are successful, this is the way….

  • Joshua Rosen

    Member
    April 10, 2022 at 8:03 am

    I was surprised by the revelation that they are outsourcing body shell production, I was under the impression that composites were a core competency for Aptera. It makes sense given their limited capital that they would have someone else produce them but it’s a concern that they don’t have a contract in place yet. They want to start production by the end of the year, how will that be possible if the supplier for such a key component isn’t already doing pilot builds?

    • kerbe2705

      Member
      April 10, 2022 at 9:11 am

      That very “core competency” is what empowered Aptera to design a composite-bodied vehicle. But the difference between designing it and producing it are vast: Better to have the product produced in by a specialist facility that already exists than to raise the billions of dollars necessary to build and outfit such a facility.

      • Joshua Rosen

        Member
        April 10, 2022 at 10:08 am

        I agree that outsourcing the manufacturing makes sense at this point. My concern is that they apparently haven’t locked in a supplier at this point, it’s late in the game if they really intend to ship before the end of the year.

  • GLENN ZAJIC

    Member
    October 23, 2022 at 10:03 pm

    I hope that we glean something about the shell in tomorrows brief. I have observed the subject being avoided in a few discussions, well maybe not avoided, but certainly not expounded on. We believe it is a composite of materials – but what? They are big parts and the layout will take some time. If you plan to produce 30-40 vehicles a day from the Carlsbad facility, where will all the tooling be located? Is their Vista facility, solar production location, big enough for this or will it be farmed out?

    I spent 3 hours searching for a Munro Live video to no avail. I do not remember what the subject matter was, but it was unrelated to Aptera or even that days video. Anyway, at the end of the video he and his crew went outside and opened a wooden crate which contained some samples of body parts, not related to the Aptera. Sandy was very impressed with these parts and at the end of the video he said something like this is the future boys and girls. That may have been a clue for us, and I would like to watch it again if anybody knows which video it was I would appreciate being told.

    What made me start thinking about this again was that yesterday I saw a Aptera body being transported on the back of a flatbed truck. I can’t answer any questions about it because I only had about 3 seconds of view. It was not in Carlsbad but heading that direction. It was not the gamma and I don’t believe it was the Luna, but it might have been. Thing is it looked like something that was just primed and I am pretty sure there was no glass, could be mistaken about that though. Are they making another gamma?

    I don’t know if they will only be answering investment questions or general questions.

  • David Marlow

    Member
    October 24, 2022 at 3:09 am

    I have been wondering about this and will be watching the presentation today.

    I would assume that what you saw was a body shell for another Gamma, I think they may make 1 0r 2 more. They have said that they have been looking at several possible suppliers for the body shell parts. It may be that they are evaluating suppliers by having them each make sample to evaluate. Will any of these possible be able to supply the number of shells they will need or will they need to use multiple suppliers? Using more than one supplier would bring up the question of quality control, but would also not leave them with out alternatives for the most basic part. It will take a large commitment by any suppliers to fulfill this need, I don’t see boats or Corvette bodies being produced at the rate of 40 per day any ware. Unless the supplier had a plant close to Aptera, shipping that quantity of fully assembled bodies would be a problem.

    I also wonder about the belly pan supplier, if this will be a stamped part, there could be a lot of potential volume suppliers.

  • Steven G. Bueche

    Member
    October 24, 2022 at 3:44 am

    David brings up a good point.

    In the begininng we were shown what looked like a 1/2″ thick material of composite that was to be the body material. Then as time went on this component was removed, then this. At some point it appeared to be simply fiberglass. In the Beta I was a bit concerned when I could see light coming through the A pillars in some of the pictures and videos. It didn’t appear to be as thick as before.

    I really hope this is still the composite we were sold on. I don’t see fiberglass being 10 times stronger than steel.

  • Paul Carlucci

    Member
    October 24, 2022 at 5:29 am

    The Munro Live video with the carbon fiber chassis being pulled out of a crate from Italy was… I think it was a Rivian body in white video. Not that it matters because they later cut that part out and cannot be seen anymore.

  • Gabriel Kemeny

    Moderator
    November 3, 2022 at 12:16 pm

    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

    San Diego, CA, and Modena, Italy, November 3, 2022— Solar electric vehicle manufacturer Aptera has signed an agreement with the C.P.C. Group to produce its specialized composite bodies in Modena, Italy in the heart of the Italian Motor Valley, where legendary supercars and motorcycles have been manufactured with passion for decades.

    C.P.C. will be supplying materials and structures for Aptera’s BINC, which stands for Body in Carbon. In keeping with Aptera’s ethos of simplicity, safety and sustainability, the BINC is composed of only six main parts. It can be recycled up to five times, giving it an ultra-low CO<sub>2</sub> lifecycle. The majority of the BINC is made of Carbon Fiber Sheet Molding Compound (CF-SMC), combined with Glass Sheet Molding Compound (SMC).

    Carbon Fiber-SMC is a lightweight material consisting of a random arrangement of short fibers that make it possible to mold intricately shaped parts. It offers much higher stiffness and strength than standard SMC. Because it can be press-molded, this process substantially reduces manufacturing time for the BINC and allows Aptera to begin delivering vehicles to customers more quickly.

    According to Franco Iorio, CEO of C.P.C., “Aptera represents a shift away from conventional thinking of the past. We desire to be a part of this future, which is why we’re joining Aptera’s movement. We’ll be building the bodies for their unique solar vehicle in the heart of the Motor Valley, allowing Aptera to scale up manufacturing right away to meet the high demand for its first vehicle.”

    C.P.C. Group was founded in 1959 as a small artisan company manufacturing models solely made by the expert hand of the model maker. After switching from aluminum to composites, during the last decade C.P.C. has established a reputation as one of the most renowned and appreciated companies in the world for specialized composite solutions in the automotive world. Customers include Ferrari, Lamborghini, McLaren, Maserati, BMW, Lotus, and more.

    Says Aptera co-founder Steve Fambro, “When we came together at C.P.C. along with Sandy Munro, we realized the true synergy where the world’s most efficient vehicle can be made with the most efficient process. For several months, our engineers have been working closely with C.P.C to finalize our Delta design, and now those efforts are being realized as we take an important step forward towards high volume production.”

    With over 37,000 reservations, Aptera aims to begin deliveries in 2023 and ramp up to a full-scale production rate of 40 vehicles per day at its final assembly location in Carlsbad, California. More details about vehicle specifications, final pricing, and timing will be shared in forthcoming announcements.

    • RAYMOND NETTLETON

      Member
      November 3, 2022 at 3:41 pm

      It is hard to tell if this is the honeycomb product, which is important for weight and insulation value. With the 6 parts I bet they will be able to ship 50 or so in each seacan shipping container.

      Motors, batteries, solar cells, body. That is the really custom/unique stuff.

      Suspension, seats, hardware etc. while custom should be easier to source.

      What hard stuff is left. Chipset?

    • Joel Smith

      Member
      November 6, 2022 at 6:30 pm

      With the change to the new body materials, I will accept on faith (for now) that the strength and durability remain as good as previously asserted. What I am freshly curious about is what will be the differences for thermal and sonic insulation? The exceptional performance of the previous honeycomb structured material in this regard is easy to intuit from what you can see of it. Not so much with what we have been shown so far with the new stuff.

  • GLENN ZAJIC

    Member
    November 3, 2022 at 12:41 pm

    So happy to hear they have found a substantial manufacturer to produce these parts. Wish they were in the USA but you have to go where the technology exists and has been proven. And thanks go out to Sandy Munro for his assistance.

  • John Voules

    Member
    November 3, 2022 at 12:58 pm

    When I think Italian…I think style and quality. This is a company that is top in its game.

    BRAVO

    • Ray Holan

      Moderator
      November 3, 2022 at 1:17 pm

      Happy to get the update on body production. I notice the “official” mention (i.e. in press release) of 37,000 reservations. That’s a significant milestone as well.

      • Jonah Jorgenson

        Member
        November 3, 2022 at 2:16 pm

        Good status update!

        Hope to see this amount of substance in reports on a monthly or more frequent basis. Good to see Steve Fambro’s absence paying off! Of course Sandy Monro’s endorsement adds credibility. Glad to see the two companies have been working together for sometime as well.

        Looks like body parts went from four to six and are now a carbon composite vs. the green of the Beta. Perhaps the shape of the body in the video gives a hint of Delta????

        Will be a L O N G supply chain from Italy to Carlsbad. Not sure what the duty is on goods from Italy, but will affect costs some vs. a supplier in the US. Lower price in Italy maybe makes up for having to pay duty. Hopefully QA there rather than in the US after the body parts are shipped all the way here. Lucky engineers to be the QA people in Italy. A lot of competition for that job. 😁

        • This reply was modified 3 weeks, 5 days ago by  Jonah Jorgenson. Reason: correct spelling
    • Dennis Swaney

      Member
      November 3, 2022 at 1:38 pm

      Thankfully the power train ISN’T Italian, though! Unfortunately though, this reminds me of the Chrysler TC by Maserati where the bodies were built in Italy, then flown by 747 Freighters to these United States. How will the Aptera bodies be transported to Carlsbad? What will be the additional cost to get the bodies to SoCal?

      • This reply was modified 3 weeks, 5 days ago by  Dennis Swaney. Reason: Added concerns
      • George Hughes

        Member
        November 3, 2022 at 2:54 pm

        Actually, Elaphe, which will be at first expanding their manufacturing capability in Slovenia with an expansion to a manufacturing plant in the US in active development. Ljubljana, is less than 300 miles east of Modena and both are relatively close to the Adriatic Sea that runs up the back of Italy’s boot.

        What we have here folks, is a world car sourced from around the world.

        I’m thinking our friends in the other topic wondering how Aptera will ever get to Germany are rejoicing.

        • Dennis Swaney

          Member
          November 3, 2022 at 4:55 pm

          It is a lot different getting Elaphe motors shipped to these United States than it is vehicle bodies. You can get a slew of motors in the size crate needed for ONE body.

          • Randy J

            Member
            November 3, 2022 at 6:20 pm

            I’m involved in the business of freight. It’s not difficult or relatviely expensive to move product around our planet. I disagree with your premise. I suspect these carbon parts will easily nest for transport.

            • OZ (It’s OZ, Just OZ)

              Member
              November 3, 2022 at 7:12 pm

              Exactly Randy, it feels like a lot of people are assuming that the bodies will ship assembled, while it is far more likely that the assembly will occur here.

    • Paul Kirchner

      Member
      November 4, 2022 at 7:06 am

      The tooling costs on those dies must be enormous. I have not a clue but I would think it would chew up a significant chunk of the $22 million the Golden State of California gave (or will give) Aptera.

      • BRUCE MENGLER

        Member
        November 4, 2022 at 2:22 pm

        @<b style=”font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; letter-spacing: 0px;”>Paul Kirchner

        >The tooling costs on those dies must be enormous.

        In the video “Lords of Carbon” they said they could go from CAD design to finished product in 2 days. Remember that molds for composites don’t need to be as robust as stamping METAL and can be produced on in-house 5-axis CNC machines.

        C.P.C could have produced body panels for a small number of Apteras while Steve F. was there.

        IMO, your cost estimates are off by at least one if not two orders of magnitude.

    • Michael N

      Member
      November 6, 2022 at 10:11 am

      I am happy about the update, however I was really excited for the old honeycomb structure with embedded foam. It was said that it will reduce outside noise considerably. Does anyone know , the new material CF-SMC for the body, if it’s just as good in sound dampening of road and outside noise? Serene environment is important

      • This reply was modified 3 weeks, 2 days ago by  Michael N.
  • Gabriel Kemeny

    Moderator
    November 3, 2022 at 1:17 pm

  • David Marlow

    Member
    November 3, 2022 at 3:24 pm

    This body vendor also has the equipment to provide a high quality paint job, that may answer another major question we have had.

    It seems that they will be able to satisfy the growing volume production needs and at a very high quality.

    Steve also mentioned now that this deal has been signed that they will be able to give final pricing.

    So will this supplier and the shipping of bodies 1/2 way around the world raise the prices by how much? I think what ever it is, will be worth it, as it will give Aptera a true super car heritage.

    • OZ (It’s OZ, Just OZ)

      Member
      November 3, 2022 at 3:32 pm

      But a body vendor in Italy will unlikely be able to exactly paint match the colors of the other parts going on the exterior, especially considering the different materials used for various portions.

      • kerbe2705

        Member
        November 3, 2022 at 4:15 pm

        @OZ (It’s OZ, Just OZ) Digitally-mixed paint colors from a common supplier should be the same no matter where in the world they’re applied. BASF, for example, provides substrate-specific paint formulas that can all produce the same finish color, whether on steel, fiberglass, aluminum, ABS, or carbon fiber.

      • OZ (It’s OZ, Just OZ)

        Member
        November 3, 2022 at 4:20 pm

        Kerbe, just going by what CA has indicated in the past.

    • BigSky Country

      Member
      November 3, 2022 at 7:52 pm

      I am very curious to see if they are actually planning to ship molded panels from Italy. That seems excessive to me. I would think CPC would have capabilities closer to avoid long lead times, FX, and transportation costs on low density packaged products. I work in a high precision industry of molded components for well known brands and, while I appreciate the care in selecting from a small global pool of that capability level, I was really surprised by this announcement for supply chain reasons. I suspect there will be more details to come out that will clear up some assumptions I am making. We will see.

      • George Hughes

        Member
        November 3, 2022 at 10:28 pm

        I think what most folks here are missing is there really hasn’t been a mass market composite monocoque vehicle largely because doing so is just now becoming feasible because of advancements in the technology. I can’t think of another mass-production intended vehicle to use this kind of composite architecture; mass market in this ‘approach’ is a Lotus with most vehicles using this ‘construction’ being supercars.

        Even then, the process to build a composite shell is terrifically intricate according to the McClaren guy talking about it on youtube.

        These CPC folks realize the labor/time/capital savings for composites using their ‘press’ to spit out panels, makes the now six-piece Aptera monoshell the first vehicle in the world that is designed and engineered to be made in mass at the lowest possible cost because of its use of light/strong composites. You can’t build a solar electric vehicle that makes any sense any other way. The payoff is you very well may not have to ever charge the things.

        BTW: I suspect – I’m probably wrong – but I suspect the reason they modified the composite shell’s parting plan is shipping – i.e. by configuring it into six pieces sted four, the dimensions are such you can stack more total blanks in a container.

        In some of the info on the company it was related they just completed an expansion to the ability to output 200,000 pieces/panels/yr and are in days from having a second expansion to 500,000 pieces and have immediate plans to expand capacity of their composite press machines another half-million pieces. I’m guessing building 100,000 Aptera would equate to 600,000 of this outfit’s one-million piece unit capacity.

        What shouldn’t escape anyone was Sandy Monro’s observation that each of these pieces are reproduced with effectively zero variation meaning the whole damn thing snaps together easily and everything fits ‘perfectly.’

        The fudgy fits of steel-built cars that require each car be diddled with seemingly for ever trying to get a whole process to end up with all the things fitting. This endless diddling is a big part of production hell where costs spiral and that this startup may largely avoids this is gold.

        In essence Aptera is a case study for the superiority of composites in mass vehicle construction because of the simplicity of the process, its low cost of distribution and assembly.

        Another thing that is really cool is these folks are prototypers for major brand vehicles. They have all the tech to knock off prototypes. We might see some interesting variations sooner than we think. Heck, I wonder how much it would cost to commission one?



  • Christopher Morehouse

    Member
    November 3, 2022 at 7:41 pm

    So what’s the production lead time on these composite structures coming from Italy?

    Will Aptera have QA people in Italy for accepting them before they ship out?

    Last question this brings to mind, as I had assumed aptera was making the composite structures…. How much of this vehicle is actually made in the US? Or in North America?

    Motors are imports(though I believe production of the motors is intended to expand to the US ecentually), batteries are imports, now main structures are imports, I assume the major electronics are imports but maybe not?

    • Peter Jorgensen

      Member
      November 4, 2022 at 2:05 pm

      Unfortunately US manufacturing for any of these parts is either not very good, very late, or basically entirely tied up by ITAR. It’s very difficult to build the entire thing in the states unless you own the entire supply chain. If you want good high quality composites, either they come from overseas or they cost millions and are tied to a government contract. Or they’re 6 months late and not the best quality.

  • Pistonboy Delux

    Member
    November 3, 2022 at 8:34 pm

    At times in the video, it sounds like CPC will be supplying the materials which will be shipped to US and the body made from these materials. At other times, it sounds like unassembled body parts will be shipped and assembled in the US. Still, at other times, it sounds like the entire assembled boy will be shipped.

    Was this change from fiberglass to carbon fiber done to reduce weight, or for environmental reasons, or still other reason. I am sure it was not done for economical reasons.

    I briefly talked to Steve Fambro on October 20 who said he had just came back from Italy. I jokingly asked him if he had pick up an IDRA press. (IDRA makes the gigapress used by Tesla). He said he was looking at a press for something other than aluminum. I assumed he was looking at a press to make a magnesium rear suspension arm. Obviously not. (I still think a magnesium rear suspension arm may be a good idea.)

  • Jorge Gonzalez

    Member
    November 3, 2022 at 9:22 pm

    Sometimes you gotta let the pros be the pros, if you’re stuck in an island and you only know how to fish, you fish, if your buddy knows how to get coconuts, they get the coconuts, if another buddy knows how to hunt, they do just that. If another buddy knows how to cook and collect edible plants, then they then do only that … think about it, would you really go fishing, climb palm trees, skin rabbits, find non-poisonous berries, making stews and preserving meats? … NO … you fish all day and you trade with your buddies and then you can all put together a badass feast. If everybody tried to do everything, there can only be lame ass feasts. I don’t want a lame ass vehicle 🙂

    • Francis Giroux

      Member
      November 5, 2022 at 8:22 pm

      It looks to me like Aptera originally had plans to build the body like they built the boats with UV activated resin in vacuum packed molds, including the honeycomb mesh. This would have taken lots of time for each one. Now with CPC they can let the pros do the manufacturing with their automated machinery, making the job less expensive, and more uniform. It looks like the black pieces in the pictures are the carbon fiber and the white pieces are the fiberglass , but whether the honeycomb is still in the plan is questionable. If you planned on painting your Aptera after the wrap wears out, there will be a difference between the carbon parts and the fiberglass parts, in how they take the paint. Hopefully a good coat of primer will take care of that. Overall I like the move to CPC. It saves time and money, makes a uniform shell, stronger in some areas, maybe not in others (if the honeycomb mesh is not used). I think it will end up lighter, unless the honeycomb stays in the plans. I never thought I would own a vehicle that was built in the famous city where the super Italian cars were built. I guess we can say that Aptera will indeed be an exotic masterpiece.

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