Can I get my 100 dollars back?

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Aptera Community Aptera Discussions Can I get my 100 dollars back?

  • Can I get my 100 dollars back?

     Scott updated 2 months, 4 weeks ago 16 Members · 23 Posts
  • Paul Stieber

    July 30, 2022 at 8:47 pm

    I should looked into this thing more closely. There’s only a 500 pound payload capacity. The steering wheel isn’t round. It’s going to use the tesla charger instead of the superior CCS Standard. You need to use the touchscreen to open the door. The ethos of efficiency is admirable but some of these design decisions are just ass backwards and don’t have anything to do with efficiency.

  • John Voules

    July 30, 2022 at 8:58 pm

    Paul if you need your $100 back, I’m sure you can reach out through email to get it done.

    Personally since I’m already in line, I would choose to see at least the final product. I know that $100 may be needed…, otherwise you may want to reconsider.

  • kerbe2705

    July 30, 2022 at 9:39 pm

    @Paul Stieber If your mind is made up, email your request to

    To address your points:

    Most motorcycle/autocycles have a 250-450 lb. payload capacity.

    Quite a few vehicles nowadays don’t have round steering wheels.

    The Tesla connector is, actually, superior in both design and ergonomics – CCS has the benefit of being used by many manufacturers.

    You don’t need to use the touchscreen to open the doors – but you CAN use it to open them: The doors will also have “buttons” to pop them open electrically and they are required to have emergency mechanical operators, as well.

    The only design decision you list that’s related to efficiency is payload weight (and, possibly, the use of the Tesla port as it’s physically smaller than a CCS port and will fit in Aptera’s slender tail).

    The design decisions Aptera is making about UI/UX are about creating a brand identity: The interior of a Chevy shares very little with the interior of a BMW. I concur with @John Voules – let’s wait and see the finished product before we make any preemptive decisions. Unless you really, really need your $70/$100 back…

  • Len Nowak

    July 31, 2022 at 5:41 am


    All answers are my understanding for the Aptera, which is an autocycle,( registered as a motorcycle)

    Arcimoto, a two seat autocycle has the same 500# weight limit but not the storage capacity

    There has not been a final decision on the Tesla plug. I am sure your know there are adapters to use the various chargers

    Besides the unique Aptera look the many other attributes besides these spoke to me:

    An enclosed autocycle


    Free solar range, ( There in solar eight southern AZ,, give me free range and darken the inside of my vehicle. I will tint the door windows. I like the video mirrors. A full solar “for me” is like having full time a cargo cover to obscure easy view to cargo area.

    Range, resin-filled sandwich core composite body,

    Highest roof crush test to be validated with “vehicle crash testing”,

    Winged doors and hatch,

    25 cu ft storage. (Plenty room for my Doberman)

    AWD option, Camping option…which I will need

    Solar powered interior venting while in the sun/charging in the sun.

    I don’t need more than the optional Safety Pilot

    Any federal incentive for an low priced sEV autocycle is sweet “for me”

    But each person has their own needs whether for their primary or secondary vehicle¯\_(ツ)_

    Besides the refundable reservation I believe there may also be a 1,000 mile/ 7 day return policy too, if I recall (?) You might want to flip it if is not for you.

    I am thinking or starting with a 40kWh but the 60kWh is the sweet spot for me for cross country trips until the charging infrastructure to build out.

    And as mentioned the will get your the latest info they can share

    I only had a ride in Sol to date and was impressed then… with that only second development vehicle. Gamma coming

    I have a Level II charger in my garage, so “IF” I need to charge I use that charge existing J1772 plug or adapt as my friends do for their EV that don’t use it.

  • Tim Dean

    July 31, 2022 at 6:26 am

    What’s your number? Someone might want to buy your place in line.

    • Francis Giroux

      July 31, 2022 at 5:36 pm

      I’m interested.

      Concerning the 500 pound weight limit. I doubt each of the four versions will have its own custom suspension, limiting it to exactly 500 pounds. I suspect the 500 pound limit is likely for the 600 mile range version, maybe even the 1000 mile range version. All others with a smaller battery pack but same suspension will obviously be able to carry the difference in battery weight along with the 500 pound stated limit. I suspect my 250 mile range version will safely carry almost 1000 pounds.

  • Paul Stieber

    July 31, 2022 at 7:24 am

    Thanks for all the replies. I’ll wait and see what the production version looks like.

    I guess I don’t care THAT much about the charging standard, or the payload limit. Most of the time I’m going to be using it to haul groceries, and I’ll be charging with the sun.

    I however will die on the hill of a round steering wheel and a normal handle to exit. I need to be able to make tight turns at low speed one handed, my other hand needs to be free to eat tacos.

    Frankly the way exiting is proposed to work now is a safety hazard. In the FAQ it sounds like you’re supposed to use the touchscreen to activate an electrical switch, and a mechanical handle is there for emergencies only. Consider this: Occasionally bad NMC cells make it into a car and cause a fire.

    If someone is trained to use a touchscreen to open the door. In the event of a fire it may take them several seconds to remember the mechanical handle even exists. When your ass is on fire seconds count. If you go with a normal handle; the emergency procedure and the normal procedure to exit are one in the same.

    • kerbe2705

      July 31, 2022 at 10:26 am

      @Paul Stieber The latest renderings show a button/handle on the door armrest. We know that the rear hatch release will exist only on the screen, but the doors will NOT require screen use to open. This video shows the door opening physical button on the test bench:

      “Normal” handles add weight and mechanical complexity and several possible points-of-failure. Plus they aren’t “sexy”, design-wise. Plus “operator error” can’t be controlled: If a driver doesn’t bother to learn how to use their vehicle…

      My late father’s biggest fear about buying a new vehicle (at age 75) was that the headlight switch wouldn’t be where he was used to it being (on the dash) in his old vehicle. I pointed out to him that he never drove at night or in the rain anymore, to which he replied, “Oh. Right. Never mind, then.”

  • The Traveller

    July 31, 2022 at 7:41 am


  • Patrick Liebknecht

    July 31, 2022 at 11:33 am

    I’ll wait for the crash tests and the massive redesign

  • Kayleigh Venne

    August 1, 2022 at 1:39 pm

    Hi Paul,

    We value open dialogue and appreciate your message. Aptera was created from the ground up with one purpose in mind — energy efficiency.

    With less drag than just the side view mirrors on an F150 pick-up truck, and at about 2,000 lbs., Aptera is about half the weight of the average electric vehicle. The 500 lb weight capacity number is based on our 100kwh pack, and we are still testing to publish more accurate numbers all around. We envision Aptera could tow a small, lightweight trailer for camping, maybe even adding some extrasolar capability. More details to come in the future.

    Regarding vehicle entry – Aptera will recognize that it is you trying to open the door. We have not made a final selection on this but Aptera will have proximity detection to unlock the doors. Such as a Bluetooth connection via smartphone or a proximity key. The doors will have a manual pull handle for emergencies. For many areas, things will be electric as that is just the standard nowadays, and it is much easier to engineer. Rest assured, we will have a solution that will allow for vehicle access without a mobile device.

    The plan is to ship the vehicle with a charging adapter so you can charge it anywhere. Aptera believes in efficiency above all else— we believe things should be easy, and no matter who makes the best plug, even if that’s Tesla. The Tesla plug is smaller, easier to use, and way cheaper to install than the existing standard. In Aptera, less is more, and how much something costs is also all about efficiency.

    The smaller wheel allows you to see the full digital screen above. We decided to go this route instead of a larger heads-up display. We can’t share the details and functionalities of the driver display yet, but we’re excited to demonstrate the useful tech features that will be included above the steering wheel. The yoke steering wheel will be fitted to Gamma to test its handling on the track, in rigorous environments, and while maneuvering in tight spaces where turning quickly is required. In this way, to demonstrate a viable alternative to the conventional steering wheel.

    Through continuous innovation, we are working tirelessly to change the status quo of how the world thinks of energy, mobility, and even what a vehicle looks like. This vehicle is the first product in a portfolio of solar mobility products! We’re learning more every day and love to hear from our supporters and audience, suggestions and all, as we finalize our production-intent design. We appreciate your feedback.

    If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.

    Driven by the Sun,

    Aptera Team

  • Paul Hackett

    August 2, 2022 at 1:32 pm

    Paul, I hear you man. I love my Prius and I don’t really believe the Aptera will be as “great” a comfort as my Prius is with every little bell and whistle exactly where I want it. Will it have XM, can I plug my iphone in and listen to my 5,000+ song library, can I dictate texts over a microphone etc. and I In fact complain about the steering wheel on my 2017 Prius V all the time; I can’t wrap my right hand around the bottom of the wheel at the 6 o’clock position and drive one handed like I prefer. Anyway, change is always a new adventure. Hang in there you’ll probably be impressed and pleasantly surprised.

  • LoveAptera YokeDealbreaker

    August 31, 2022 at 7:57 pm

    The steering WHEEL? Aptera isn’t giving us a wheel, they cut it in half and you only receive the bottom part, like in an airplane. Good luck grabbing that in an emergency. Maybe they’re trying to save a few cents on materials?

    • Kevin Bradbury

      August 31, 2022 at 8:09 pm

      You REALLY need to find another hobby. I hear knitting is good to keep the hands and fingers busy.😜

      • LoveAptera YokeDealbreaker

        September 11, 2022 at 10:20 am

        Sorry Kevin Bradbury, I’m not here as a hobby, I’m here to participate in discussions on a vehicle I’m interested in. What are you here for? Are you capable of having a conversation with someone about something you disagree with? If not, perhaps public forums aren’t a good fit for you.

    • John Voules

      September 1, 2022 at 3:56 pm

      Hey LAYD





      • LoveAptera YokeDealbreaker

        September 11, 2022 at 10:19 am

        LOL what a thought-provoking response! John Voules, is your post an example of your entire vocabulary? If you have nothing to contribute to the discussions on these forums, then why bother posting at all?
        Are you capable of having a conversation with someone about something
        you disagree with? If not, perhaps public forums aren’t a good fit for

        • Elzo Stubbe

          September 11, 2022 at 12:14 pm

          It is dead easy to replace it with an after market round steering wheel which will come at a certain point. See the aftermarket steering wheel videos for Tesla. Less than two minutes and it is installed.

          • This reply was modified 2 months, 4 weeks ago by  Elzo Stubbe. Reason: removed s from steering wheels
          • Scott

            September 11, 2022 at 12:24 pm

            Hi Elzo, agreed that a simple round steering wheel is a likely aftermarket upgrade option, assuming that the shaft is a standard size and configuration. The bigger issue will be whether or not an Aptera-specific full steering wheel is produced that also replicates the yoke’s middle control buttons and their underlying associated electronic interfaces that are shown in gamma.

  • Vernon Michael Gardner

    August 31, 2022 at 9:04 pm

    Paul, that is a lot of misinformation you have put out there. You must not have the internet or you may be using FOX News for your information.

    • Ron Glossin

      September 7, 2022 at 12:49 pm

      I expect a large percentage of cancellations when serious purchases start. Last minute things can disrupt planes.

      • Vernon Michael Gardner

        September 7, 2022 at 7:12 pm

        I do not know about “planes”, but look at the commitment level. If people were going to drop, we would of hear about people getting their money back and the reservation number would drop instead of continue to rise.

        • Ron Glossin

          September 7, 2022 at 8:18 pm

          Thanks I needed that. I guess I need to stay away from the educated .

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