Do You Expect A Radio In Your Aptera?

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Aptera Community Aptera Discussions Do You Expect A Radio In Your Aptera?

  • Do You Expect A Radio In Your Aptera?

     Tom Friend updated 5 months, 1 week ago 36 Members · 61 Posts
  • Philip Raymond

    Member
    December 3, 2021 at 11:54 pm

    As a retired former broadcasting technician, one of the reasons I retired a little earlier than I planned, was I saw the writing on the wall. Legacy broadcasting on both TV and Radio are going the way of newspapers, not gone, but dying a very slow death. That said, some people (mostly over 50 like me), still expect a traditional AM/FM radios as part of their infotainment system. Tesla has recently ditched the radio altogether, with this quote from theirr FAQ “<strong style=”font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; letter-spacing: 0px;”>Is anything removed with the Infotainment Upgrade?

    Yes. You will no longer have access to AM, FM or Sirius XM radio. The upgraded infotainment system is not compatible with the original radio tuner that came equipped on your vehicle. You will still have access to internet radio and music streaming, including streaming over Bluetooth®.”

    Do you want or expect a radio in your Aptera? The specs for their infotainment system have yet to be released, but even if it does have a radio, it will probably be FM only. AM is a much lower frequency medium with a greatly reduced bandwidth compared to FM and as such, electric motors interfere with their reception. Many of you probably don’t care, but others may not even be aware of this, that’s why I created this post.

  • Curtis Cibinel

    Member
    December 4, 2021 at 12:36 am

    The videos that show the infotainment system Ui has a radio button. No idea if it’s traditional or internet (or will end up in the release version). I haven’t used old-school radio for 5 years so no loss as far as I’m concerned. If vehicles continue to drop radio and demand exists a standalone radio sending to Bluetooth should be an cheap / easy workaround.

  • Ron Ledohowski

    Member
    December 4, 2021 at 1:58 am

    I stream ALL my music. If I listen to radio, I stream that too but that is few and far between.

  • Riley ________________________________

    Member
    December 4, 2021 at 4:01 am

    in my 1969 ford I only get AM, the radio knob is broken so I leave it on local talk radio. My wife drives a Tesla model 3, it doesn’t get AM only FM when there isn’t anything good I connect my phone and play some classic rock. I hope aptera puts at least FM it’s fun to browse stations when driving long distance.

  • Tom Shafer

    Member
    December 4, 2021 at 4:40 am

    Most radio stations are now streaming their content. So, even when listening to *local* broadcasters, I find myself usually doing it with my phone instead of the car radio. That’s why it seems like a high priority to include Android Auto and Apple CarPlay in the Aptera to virtually extend apps like TuneIn, Audible, Spotify. Yes, this 64-year-old reservation holder is tech savvy.

    • kerbe2705

      Member
      December 4, 2021 at 4:52 pm

      Aptera has stated that their vehicle will have neither Apple CarPlay nor Android Auto – and that the only way to listen to your own content will be via Bluetooth from your phone.

  • Richard Marks

    Member
    December 4, 2021 at 4:40 am

    SiriusXM is my most listened to entertainment while driving. I do listened to FM occasionally, mostly NPR stations, so a radio with at least those two options would be expected.

  • Robert Klasson

    Member
    December 4, 2021 at 5:58 am

    The only time I listen to FM radio is when I’m in my car or wearing my Earmuff with built in radio receiver. That’s mostly because it’s the easiest thing to listen to under those circumstances. My car is too old to be connected.

    If Aptera can stream radio from any station my phone or computer can stream, which should be possible with just a modern enough web browser, I see no need for a conventional tuner, though I would probably use it occasionally if they provided one.

  • Joshua Rosen

    Member
    December 4, 2021 at 6:38 am

    I expect HD Radio as well as streaming, would like Sirius. I hadn’t listened to terrestrial radio for about 14 years because my previous two cars had Sirius which works everywhere, FM is local and streaming only works where you have cell coverage. Tesla doesn’t have Sirius but it does have HD so I occasionally listen to WGBH because the audio quality is so much better than for Slacker which is the only streaming service on a Tesla. However I mostly listen to streaming because it’s so much more flexible than broadcast.

    There was a mention about of them not having anything, just a Bluetooth connection. If they do that I won’t buy the car, that’s a dealbreaker ladies. I want Android Auto, I had it in my Volt and it was much better than Tesla’s system because it had Google Maps, which is much better than Tesla’s nav, and it had lots of streaming services (I prefer Pandora). At a bare minimum they need to match what Tesla has but I’d be much happier if they had Android Auto and happier still if they had Android Automotive which is Google’s built in system (Polestar is the first car to come with it, but others are coming).

  • Paul Schultz

    Member
    December 4, 2021 at 6:50 am

    While from the post above some manufacturers (Tesla) are skipping traditional over-the-air radio, most continue to include it at this point. For now, I feel it should be embedded as part of the infotainment system. I imagine it is pretty much a single chip or part of an SoC for telecom/radio/etc. Yes, an antenna would be needed but it is early days for a ‘no radio transition. This could still be viewed as a fairly basic feature gap for some consumers looking at the Aptera. Remember, if Aptera succeeds it needs to sell to a wider cross-section of people far beyond the early adopter ‘evangelists’ such as ourselves.

    • Joshua Rosen

      Member
      December 4, 2021 at 7:09 am

      Tesla does have FM and HD Radio, all they dropped was AM and SiriusXM.

      • Paul Schultz

        Member
        December 4, 2021 at 7:37 am

        That goes against what Philip posted above from the Tesla FAQ. I don’t own a Tesla nor follow their developments closely.

        • Joshua Rosen

          Member
          December 4, 2021 at 8:34 am

          I do own a Tesla Model 3, it has HD and FM radio, I was listening to it today.

        • John Malcom

          Member
          December 4, 2021 at 10:03 am

          I own a Tesla Model 3 as well. FM and HD. may going forward Tesla intends to make the change, but for Joshua and me we have FM and HD.

          • Paul Schultz

            Member
            December 4, 2021 at 1:41 pm

            Yes, the OP mentions that Tesla ‘recently ditched’ radio features.

  • Joel Smith

    Member
    December 4, 2021 at 8:32 am

    FM receiver in the car is a requirement for me. When natural disasters strike (and we all know that they do), the first thing to go (or get overwhelmed) is the cell network. Gets pretty spotty out in the sticks where I live too.

    That being said, that selection criteria is applied when I buy smart phones also (Motorola and a few others include FM receivers). If I find that I have to use Bluetooth or even a plugin to play FM from my phone on a car’s infotainment system, then that’s no issue of concern for me. Could easily be an issue in the minds of many people if they think about it though.

  • my_discord_number_is_0328 bloody stupid

    Member
    December 4, 2021 at 9:51 am

    international portable radio not built in car radio, the long antenna part is what aptera can help with but this can be a matter of smaller plastic being stuck in the window area by closing the window on it partially, the plastic has thermal insulation as part of it, and it allows a antenna to go through it. that way there isnt need to have something built into the car, but not sure if it will make considerably visibility worse

  • Peter Dezendorf

    Member
    December 4, 2021 at 1:35 pm

    SiriusXM, please.

  • Ray Holan

    Moderator
    December 4, 2021 at 1:52 pm

    Philip, I have to say I never listen to the radio in my car so I wouldn’t miss it in my Aptera. I listen to a book on tape on my smartphone when on long distance drives.

  • Ron Ledohowski

    Member
    December 4, 2021 at 2:53 pm

    For those who want Sirius XM, you can buy a car kit module to add inexpensively if you want not to use your smart phone or app for music.

    There are a variety of kits available. Try searching Amazon as one example and you’ll see a bunch. Cheers!

  • Pistonboy Delux

    Member
    December 4, 2021 at 3:33 pm

    Whether we currently listen to AM,FM, or satellite radio is irrelevant. A well designed infotainment system will give the owner a maximum of choices. We do not know what we will use in the future. I do not buy Tesla’s excuse for one moment. AM and FM is extremely simple and extremely easy to add. The real reason they are not including these is because they want to look more advanced than others. They want to appeal to the insecure “terminally chic” people who want something to bolster their sagging self esteem. As I stated earlier, a well designed infotainment system will give the owner a maximum of choices regardless of what is trendy.

    • Riley ________________________________

      Member
      December 5, 2021 at 5:06 am

      “terminally chic people who want something to bolster their sagging self esteem” this describes most tesla owners i know including my wife. I do find the cars cool for pushing the boundaries and added the “FSD” option. To me Tesla making the decision to remove FM radio is more to save the 5$ it costs to add it, they know it won’t affect sales. I agree that aptera having the maximum number of options seems more beneficial especially since they are a brand new car company.

      • Ray Holan

        Moderator
        December 5, 2021 at 6:55 am

        Hi, Riley. Your wife and mine have something in common insofar as she adds the “chic” factor to my Zen minimalist aesthetic. We are not rocking a Tesla, but anything that is remotely fashionable in our house is her doing. If it were up to me, we’d be sitting on folding chairs and staring at bare walls;)

  • Philip Raymond

    Member
    December 4, 2021 at 8:26 pm

    Just to clarify the Tesla FAQ quote in my first post, it was in regards to the infotainment upgrade, so if you don’t upgrade it, you’ll still have a functioning radio like Joshua. I don’t own a Tesla, so this is just my interpretation of that quote. That said, I believe this upgraded-radioless infotainment system is what you now get in any new Tesla going forward.

    • Joshua Rosen

      Member
      December 5, 2021 at 8:24 am

      Just looked at the FAQ about the upgrade, I believe you are right. They said there is no AM/FM or Sirius, no mention of HD but maybe that’s considered to be a species of FM. What the hell are they thinking? The cost of a tuner and and an antenna can’t be more than a couple of bucks and the audio quality of HD is vastly better than Slacker. Tesla put a lot of effort into designing a very high quality audio system but without HD it’s a waste.

      Aptera shouldn’t follow Tesla’s lead in this. Not doing AM is fine, that’s a dead medium, but HD is worthwhile and the cost is minimal.

  • Russell Fauver

    Member
    December 5, 2021 at 9:52 am

    It would be nice to have a tuner in the vehicle. Probably wouldn’t be necessary to include an 8 track player but a radio would be nice to have.

  • Lord Chad Dunham

    Member
    December 5, 2021 at 7:21 pm

    What’s this low fidelity AM/FM thing you talk about? My truck has those buttons in it, but they never get pushed.

  • Philip Raymond

    Member
    December 5, 2021 at 8:24 pm

    HD is just an acronym for identifying more that one digital stream on a FM signal. Some station ID’s will mention “HD1” as for example “WDRV HD1 Chicago”. Many, but not all FM signals put out 2 HD streams, the second one is usually another format or a AM only station that gets piggybacked on a FM signal as HD2, so as to get exposed to the bigger audience on FM. It could be what Tesla is eliminating is the analog FM, while maintaining the ability to receive and decode the HD digital streams. That would mean you would only lose the few analog only FM stations and of course, all AM stations. The only analog only FM stations left are mostly low power college and high school FM stations and some FM stations in small towns, where they don’t have the money to install the gear needed to encode a digital HD stream.

  • Richard Palmisano

    Member
    December 6, 2021 at 5:13 am

    No. I expect android auto.

    • Oz (It’s Oz, just Oz)

      Member
      December 6, 2021 at 6:09 am

      Why do you expect an App that is being discontinued according to its makers?

      • Joshua Rosen

        Member
        December 6, 2021 at 6:52 am

        Android Auto is not being discontinued, where did you get that idea? The Android Auto standalone interface on Android phones is being replaced by Driving Mode but Android Auto where the display server is the infotainment unit isn’t going away. Google also has Android Automotive which is a full UI for infotainment systems. Android apps are native to Android Automotive so you don’t need to tether a phone to the car as you do with Android Auto and Apple Car Play. I’d prefer to have Android Automotive because it’s a little simpler than Android Auto, but either is fine. Aptera is supposedly rolling their own which is a terrible idea and possibly a dealbreaker. Tesla rolled their own and while the interface is industry leading for car functions it’s substantially inferior to Android Auto for navigation and streaming apps. Their navigation has no options, only one waypoint (supposedly they are fixing this but I haven’t seen it yet) and it’s database is out of date because they don’t use Google for their maps only for their traffic info. They have only have a couple of streaming apps vs many on Android Auto.

        • Oz (It’s Oz, just Oz)

          Member
          December 6, 2021 at 9:30 am

          From many sources Josh, according to what is out there the APP is going away, and it looks like the new term will be “Assistant Driving Mode” for vehicles, I’m just trying to say we should keep our nomenclature up to date, to avoid confusing people.

    • John Malcom

      Member
      December 6, 2021 at 6:48 am

      As pointed out by Oz Man, Android Auto is no loner available as a separate application. It has been discontinued for installation. android auto functionality is now integrated with other functionality into an Android system level application being installed by some vehicle manufacturers

  • Peter Jorgensen

    Member
    December 6, 2021 at 7:30 am

    No, I don’t expect a radio.

    If it has built in speakers and the ability to play music from a thumbdrive or bluetooth connection that would be fantastic!

    If I want a radio I can always add one myself at home.

  • James Pace

    Member
    December 6, 2021 at 7:56 am

    NPR is on most of the time in my car. A drive to the Boise airport is 120 miles. Only 40 or so of those miles provide cell service. I need an FM receiver, and even that doesn’t work for about 20 of those miles. Welcome to the rural US folks. Going north, reception is worse.

  • Charles Kaneb

    Member
    December 6, 2021 at 7:44 pm

    FM just needs an antenna and tuner. If Aptera wants to offer FM they could laminate a wire into the composite roof as the antenna.

    AM is very difficult in an electric car with LOTS of interference from the drive system. The Tesla Model 3 never had it.

  • Markus Schmid

    Member
    December 8, 2021 at 3:51 pm

    It would be nice at almost no additional cost and weight, but hey, here in Switzerland FM broadcast will be stopped altogether by the end of 2024, so for me a cassette player would come in more handy than FM radio ????

    I guess my last FM radio reciever and cassette player will be those in my now 22 y/o car.

    • Joshua Rosen

      Member
      December 9, 2021 at 6:16 am

      Are they eliminating all radio or just analog FM? We have HD radio which is a digital format, in Europe there is the DAB standard.

      • Markus Schmid

        Member
        December 9, 2021 at 8:06 am

        Only analog FM (87.5 – 108 MHz) will be eliminated. The only audio broadcasting here will be DAB (Digital Audio Broadcating, 174 – 230/240 MHz).
        Of course, technically speaking DAB is also FM – frequency modulated, using FSK (Frequency-Shift Keying) – but we over here usually don’t refer to it as such.

        AM broadcasting in Switzerland was stopped by the end of 2008 but I guess that due to the way larger distances in the USA it still might be around there for quite a while.

        • Joshua Rosen

          Member
          December 9, 2021 at 9:29 am

          It’s not about distance, the reason that AM stations haven’t been eliminated is because the spectrum isn’t worth reclaiming. Most AM stations don’t have any more reach than an FM station, some have less. A friend of mine owns a piece of an AM station in Lowell, MA. I can’t receive it even though I’m only 10 miles from their transmitter, the only way to hear it is on TuneIn. The station is a money loser but he can’t get out of his investment.

          There is such a thing as a Clear Channel station which is a very high power station, 50KW, that is the sole owner of it’s particular frequency. At night you could pick up a Clear Channel station from a thousand miles away. It’s been 50 years since I’ve listened to AM but back in the day I’d occasionally pull in a station from Chicago.

          There is digital AM but it hasn’t taken off, Boston just got it’s first digital AM station last week.

          • Oz (It’s Oz, just Oz)

            Member
            December 9, 2021 at 10:21 am

            When I lived in American Samoa, I could pick up a few of my hometown L.A. AM stations at certain times of day, 5,200 miles away.

  • Jeff Orr

    Member
    December 8, 2021 at 5:56 pm

    I like flexibility in terms of entertainment and emergency communications. All of the highway road conditions/alert systems are on AM still. They might move to FM someday. I would want digital-capable FM in the car; AM and XM are optionals for me.

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