Door Handles

Aptera Community Aptera Discussions Door Handles

Aptera Community Aptera Discussions Door Handles

  • Door Handles

     Jonah Jorgenson updated 3 months ago 14 Members · 26 Posts
  • Hayden Maxwell

    Member
    March 29, 2022 at 3:43 pm

    This may have already been addressed somewhere, but how do you get inside the vehicle (as well as open the hatch) since there are no door handles? Additionally, will there be some sort of integrated ice breaker (like that on the Tesla Model X) for those of us that deal with frozen doors in the winter?

  • Hale Marine

    Member
    March 29, 2022 at 3:52 pm

    Good question. I believe Jay Leno asked a similar question though I remember the exact answer.

  • Thomas Bushaw

    Member
    March 29, 2022 at 4:07 pm

    I don’t know if this has changed during ongoing development, but here’s a relevant entry in Aptera’s FAQ spreadsheet:

    • Jonah Jorgenson

      Member
      March 29, 2022 at 5:17 pm

      Changed. see the post by Bruce. No door handle outside or inside

    • kerbe2705

      Member
      March 29, 2022 at 5:18 pm

      If you note the images, the three white LEDs are not included in the Beta design.

  • N. Bruce Nelson

    Member
    March 29, 2022 at 5:02 pm

    Hayden, I have this response from Kayleigh Venne, the Community Lead at Aptera –

    “The vehicle will recognize that it is you trying to open the door. We have not made a final selection on this but the Aptera will have proximity detection to unlock the doors. Such as a Bluetooth connection via smartphone, through our app, or a proximity key. Once inside, you can open the door through the center screen controls. The doors will have a manual pull handle for emergencies though.”

    • kerbe2705

      Member
      March 29, 2022 at 5:21 pm

      “unlocking” and “opening” are two very different things…

    • IA -1

      Member
      March 30, 2022 at 8:53 am

      Another terrible idea from the Tesla book. In order to exit the vehicle you will have to use the center screen to open the door !!!

      • Steven G. Bueche

        Member
        March 31, 2022 at 3:45 am

        You are incorrect in this statement. In order to open your door there are two buttons on the door.

        The upper button opens/unlocks the door in an emergency.

        The lower one lowers the window a bit and unlocks at the same time. You can use the center screen to unlock/open your door but the old ways still prevail.

        • IA -1

          Member
          March 31, 2022 at 5:47 am

          @Steven G. Bueche. As per N. Bruce Nelson’s comment for the Aptera “Once inside, you can open the door through the center screen controls.

          Having buttons to open the door, no matter if they are located on the center screen or the door is still a terrible idea.

          • Jonah Jorgenson

            Member
            March 31, 2022 at 7:32 am

            Your opinion with out any reasoning as to why it is a bad idea?

            I thought in a previous post you said you have a new car you are happy with. So why don’t you enjoy your new car and stop posting this kind of comment, if you are no longer interested in this iteration of an Aptera.

            For the record, my opinion, any mechanism for the doors will be OK with design and testing complete by the Aptera engineers as my main interest in the Aptera is drive train efficiency and solar recharge.

            • IA -1

              Member
              March 31, 2022 at 9:40 am

              Jonah, I am not going to waste my time explaining to you why opening the door through the center screen (or a door button) is a bad idea. No matter what I say it won’t change your opinion, you will continue defending Aptera’s ideas no matter if they are good or bad.

              Why do you think I won’t buy the Aptera? I still have my reservation and a 5% discount. I will wait to see the production vehicle to make my final decision.

  • kerbe2705

    Member
    March 29, 2022 at 5:20 pm

    At one point Founder Chris stated that there will be an exterior button, similar to that on the Ford Mach-e. The doors will have a “popper” mechanism that opens them slightly, allowing the edge to be grasped to open the door fully.

    • George Hughes

      Member
      March 30, 2022 at 9:39 am

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      What Kayleigh’s statement said to me is this is all part of the real source of innovation at Aptera … They say it has a proximity lock on the door because this is one of the design specifications.

      The entire door mechanism is being designed for quick, efficient assembly preferably using as few parts as possible and being able to be attached to the roof structure, be opened thousands of times, be driven occasionally unlatched, contain an electric window lift and no blow away if caught by the wind awkwardly. This is precisely the type of work folks like Monro and Rousch do and I think Rousch has the door component manufacturing contract.

      The really cool part of this is the doors are going to have fit random, custom formed composite chassis and shell. A design that makes it easy to attain the expected level of fit and finish is an engineering marvel as that level of finish requires precise, near perfect, tolerances and the real world is such an imperfect mess.

      Everybody knows the problems that Tesla has had with fit and finish and how they’ve made large strides toward quality fit in large part by minimizing variations through mega-castings.

      Think about it, Aptera is starting out with the low weight composite castings – four large pieces – that are glued together and filled with foam during the assembly process using procedures that involve the work of two men. The machines that spit out composite components don’t require the pressures of Tesla’s mega-casting machines – they are slower, less pressurized but no less precise a molding process; you’re just using ultra-lightweight fibers and composites instead of an aluminum alloy injected at high heat in a matter of seconds under intense pressure.

      No welds, no super-heated alloy concoctions that have to have thousands of tons of pressure to work …I’d say Aptera’s processes are more advanced and contribute further to a sustainable footprint.

      • kerbe2705

        Member
        March 30, 2022 at 12:21 pm

        From what I understand, the composite structures aren’t “cast” – they’re SMC (at least at present…). Some of the suspension components will be cast, though.

        • George Hughes

          Member
          March 30, 2022 at 4:19 pm

          It is a process analogous to ‘casting’ metal but is appropriate for fiber composite construction. My limited knowledge of the process involves how you make a bass boat but the point is these composite chassis aren’t made like a flimsy gonzo “GT” body you strap on a space frame with a VW drivetrain.

          The point is if you are coordinating the manufacturing process with the plan being to bring components in for final assembly from independent contractors, you best plan carefully for it by employing processes that can minimize variation.

          The composite monocoque has to be of a precise dimension as does the door if the two items, completed as a component in different locations have to be able to work together.

          Frankly, of all the aspects of Aptera, the one I’ve not seen explored adequately is how the monocoque ‘parts’ are fabricated, rate of production or precision. I just have faith that the technology here is up to the task because it could be a disaster otherwise.

          • kerbe2705

            Member
            March 30, 2022 at 5:23 pm

            At present they are fiberglass, laid-up in molds – exactly like a bass boat. You can see the assembling of structural body pieces in the video about the building of the Beta. The pieces are fitted into assembly bucks and then the various parts are connected to one another with adhesives.

            So far as I know, fiberglass doesn’t shrink, expand or distort in its manufacturing process: Tesla’s “panel gap” woes have been about steel and aluminum sheet metal doing just that. Moving from the Model 3’s 30-part trunk structure to the Model Y’s 3 (and now 2) part structure as a result of employing cast framing components makes a lot of difference

      • Jonah Jorgenson

        Member
        March 31, 2022 at 7:38 am

        George has the most recent official statement about door unlock/lock mechanisms from an official Aptera source. As expected and noted, things can change as development proceeds. We should always check on the latest response to a question as earlier responses may have been supplanted by more recent development.

  • my_discord_number_is_0328 bloody stupid

    Member
    March 29, 2022 at 6:58 pm

    replace the 3 lights that indicate charging battery energy level, with a timer. this will be convenient for other electric car charging people, so they know if they can wait for a charger or if they should plan to have to wait longer (cancel events like meeting or whatever) or if they should drive to the next station b/c they only stopped to shit or eat or buy stuff etc. it can change time every 10 mins to help effeincy, and have “minutes” written out fully. i suppose this is something that can be plugged into car computer by normal connection to car, and sit behind the window, so if someone makes the right decision of buying a small battery aptera, then updates the drivetrain later on, then maybe he wont need that charging time teller b/c the total charging time is very short.

    this will also increase structural efficiency because you dont need to cut holes into the chassis for lights, or have lights that stick out from under the wrap which could be damaged more easily vs if it was smooth surfaced by being integrated into the car.

    in marketing i suppose to analogize it with racing car lap time number displays just to give a emotional assosiation of something exciting with the aptera, except it is a more purposeful twist to the original use case of racing. this will ebe especially great if steering wheel power assist can be turned off, for more effeincy and driving fun for thoe who are not disabled or lazy.

    • John Malcom

      Member
      March 29, 2022 at 9:47 pm

      In the beta rendering the three lights are gone. They are no more.

  • my_discord_number_is_0328 bloody stupid

    Member
    March 30, 2022 at 2:20 pm

    also have “charging time” wriiten out fully so people know what the timer is about, or even more conveneint would be to write out the local time(unless that requires phone connection, b/c maybe the car computer wouldnt calculate time on its own. some people dont carry around their phone sometimes)

  • Pistonboy Delux

    Member
    March 31, 2022 at 1:35 am

    I thought Chris had said in a video, the door would have a thumb print reader on the outside of the door. The driver would place their thumb on the reader and the vehicle would recognize the driver that way.

    If I walk out of my house to get something out of my vehicle, do I have to take the phone with me? While at home, I do not carry the phone with me.

    How would someone like a repair mechanic be able to enter the vehicle. He will not have our app on his phone. Would this require a key of some type? Electronic key fob?

    Oh the headaches of being chic and trendy!

    • Riley ________________________________

      Member
      March 31, 2022 at 1:55 am

      I also remember the mention of a thumbprint reader. Not sure if anyone can verify but I thought that there will be key cards that you can give to a mechanic or valet driver. I don’t see a problem with having to grab my phone when going to the car it’s similar to grabbing my keys.

      • Elzo Stubbe

        Member
        April 1, 2022 at 10:08 am

        Xpeng P7 has scissor doors. These doors can be unlocked and opened with bluetooth, NFC digital keys, a phone app A key fob, a unlock/open button on the dash and last but not least from the centre screen . Like those Chinese. Why not have it all?

    • Steven G. Bueche

      Member
      March 31, 2022 at 3:54 am

      Maybe like the Tesla they’ll be an extra card to give to mechanics. This way you start off with two cards and the App. As long as you have the card in your wallet the car will recognize you. Even if it’s in the garage unlocked and you don’t have your wallet, you’ll be fine.

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