Driver Inclined Seat-Back

Aptera Community Aptera Discussions Driver Inclined Seat-Back

Aptera Community Aptera Discussions Driver Inclined Seat-Back

  • Driver Inclined Seat-Back

  • John Wiley

    Member
    August 22, 2021 at 12:10 pm

    I think I remember Chris or Steve talking about how the seats could be put in an upright position, yet all of the videos I have seen show the seat in a fairly reclined position. I personally have neck and back issues and do not want to be driving in a reclined position. Of course, the seat can be reclined for entry and exit, then put more upright for driving, but will there be adequate headroom for the 6’ driver that wants to drive in an upright position? Any thoughts on this?

  • Gabriel Kemeny

    Member
    August 22, 2021 at 3:30 pm

    Seat controls should be no different that regular manual car seats with a fairly upright position possible.

    • John Wiley

      Member
      August 22, 2021 at 3:37 pm

      I’m sure the control will be easy. I’m just wondering what the head room will be in an upright position.

      • kerbe2705

        Member
        August 22, 2021 at 10:31 pm

        In believe that, when they talk about interior headroom, they’re talking about measuring from the seat cushion to the roof liner – at a 90° angle to the seat. The alpha prototypes seem to fit someone 6’2″ while the betas are being designed to fit someone 6’8″ tall. But, as not all torsos are the same length (I have long legs but not a long torso and have a friend who is the exact oposite: We are both 6′ tall, but do not see eye-to-eye when seated across from each other.), such descriptions are relative.

        • John Wiley

          Member
          August 23, 2021 at 11:44 am

          It’s my recollection that every time they’ve talked about head room for a 6’ 8” person, they’ve never put it in the context of seat position. A 6’ 8” person sitting in a full upright vertical position? I don’t know. Seems unlikely. Given that the seat angle is an important factor in determining head room, I personally don’t think it should be left out of the discussion regarding the available space. You’re right about the varying torso lengths between individuals. Do we know the seat-to-ceiling length? That would be useful information.

          • kerbe2705

            Member
            August 24, 2021 at 6:44 am

            If seatback rake is a variable in this measurement, then what’s to stop them from saying an Aptera can easily fit a 10′ tall person? I mean, if you recline the seatback, head room extends into the rear of the vehicle…

  • Noah Blumenthal

    Member
    August 24, 2021 at 3:55 am

    The 6’8″ sounds great for me (6’2″). Anyone know if there will be vertical adjustability to the seat? I need to make sure my wife (5’0″) will be able to see over the steering wheel.

    • kerbe2705

      Member
      August 24, 2021 at 6:47 am

      They’re achieving the increase by lowering the interior “floor” of the vehicle so, one would hope, this would make seat-height adjustment a possibility.

  • my_discord_number_is_0328 bloody stupid

    Member
    August 24, 2021 at 4:43 pm

    maybe straightened spine in a more laying down position while looking down road with head tilted to be maximally in line with spine, may help. im guess its a seat position like this that you find uncomfortable ( i use this position so the other one doesnt have to adjust it upward again b/c im that much taller, and saw it emulated in this GordonMurrayAuto t.50. orange seat, there are 2 grey seats left and right of driver):

    • John Wiley

      Member
      August 24, 2021 at 4:59 pm

      If I understand you correctly – yes. The more the seat back is tilted toward the rear, the more I have to tilt my head forward to see and the more painful it gets (arthritis). So, I need the seat in a more upright or vertical position, which requires more headroom. Again, a measurement of distance from seat surface (where my butt sits) to the ceiling would help me determine if I have enough clearance.

  • Richard Marks

    Member
    November 7, 2021 at 8:56 am

    I’m 6’2″ and weigh 220 lbs. I get fidgety even in good seats. Hope that Aptera goes for good quality highly adjustable seats even if the added weight reduces range some. Won’t do any good to have an efficient vehicle that i can’t drive without pain in the @$$.

  • Joshua Rosen

    Member
    November 7, 2021 at 10:05 am

    I hope that they use power seats with profiles for both the driver and the passenger. Tesla does it for the driver only in the 3, there are no profiles for the passenger which sucks. The other thing they need to do is have adjustable seat belt heights. I’m exactly the size of the standard crash test dummy so most things fit me but my girlfriend is only 5’2. Tesla has fixed seat belt anchors which are are real problem for her, the belt cuts across her neck. We dealt with the problem by buying a seat belt clamp that changes the angle of the belt but I really don’t know how that will perform in an accident. My old Volt had a slider on the pillar for the seat belt anchor which worked great, they should do that.

    I’d be happy to pay extra for better seats, it’s an option that’s well worth paying for.

    • Curtis Cibinel

      Member
      November 7, 2021 at 10:28 am

      I’m quite sure they said they would be manual seats. I think this is mostly about weight / cost savings. Aptera has really focused on cost and efficiency optimization. Hopefully the stock seats will be adequate for most and the right to repair approach will allow for replacement. This wouldn’t address things like automatic profiles but better seats and belt height could be swapped in.

      PS: Optional powered seats with profiles would be a good use case for a feature discussed in other threads were “plugin apps” could be added to the infotainment. This feature is in no way confirmed by Aptera and in my opinion would be a future OTA feature added.

      • Paul Evans

        Member
        November 7, 2021 at 3:02 pm

        Everything I’ve seen from Aptera personnel points to manual seats, though some manufacturers have managed to build in a lot of manual adjustment features. Case in point was the 2002 Mini Cooper S that had fore, aft, height, and back incline, including seat & back heat and and lumbar adjustments. For entry to the back seats, a push-down lever moved the seat and seatback fully forward. For collision protection, it had seatbelt tensioning and a torso protectection airbag on the outer portion of the seatback. Oh. and it was designed for a 6’8″ person. I was 6’4 and I actually had to move the seat forward three notches to get full clutch and brake depression.

        I’d be a very happy camper if the Aptera had similar features but it probably be too heavy.

    • Peter Jorgensen

      Member
      November 8, 2021 at 7:13 am

      I hope they’re manual… Powered is a pain when you need to move it much. Expensive too. Maybe they’ll start manual and make it an option down the road.

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