Electro Magnetic Pulse threat.

Aptera Community Aptera Discussions Electro Magnetic Pulse threat.

Aptera Community Aptera Discussions Electro Magnetic Pulse threat.

  • Electro Magnetic Pulse threat.

     Thomas Forsyth updated 2 months ago 31 Members · 57 Posts
  • Rodney Kagy Kagy

    Member
    May 6, 2022 at 9:32 pm

    The USA and Europe are quite vulnerable to an EMP attack, either by a nuclear power or terrorists. Having an operative solar powered vehicle would be a major asset after such an attack. I assume that at least some of the Aptera’s control systems are vulnerable to this type of attack. Is there any possibility that these systems could have FARADAY cloth shielding? If not then could these systems be identified so I/we could add this shielding after delivery.

  • kerbe2705

    Member
    May 6, 2022 at 10:09 pm

    EVERY modern day vehicle is susceptible to EMP – because electronic ignition is a thing. Also sunspots…

  • Joshua Rosen

    Member
    May 7, 2022 at 6:14 am
  • John Malcom

    Member
    May 7, 2022 at 7:26 am

    Protection against EMP is not a planned feature of the Aptera vehicle as the probability of such a threat is very low. Once the vehicle is purchases you are free to make changes you want. With the large numbers of wires protecting against EMP will be quite a challenge.

  • Joshua Caldwell

    Member
    May 7, 2022 at 11:32 am

    Why even bother caring about whether or not the Aptera is vulnerable to an EMP just like absolutely everything else made since the 1800’s is.

    • Dennis Swaney

      Member
      May 7, 2022 at 1:48 pm

      Nope, it is the use of semiconductor based electronics that are vulnerable to an EMP event. Vacuum tube electronics can survive an EMP event. Soviet Russia even used tubes in their high performance aircraft into the 1970s if not later. This was demonstrated when Soviet pilot Viktor Belenko defected with his MiG-25 in 1976. So if you can replace the semiconductor based computers and other electronics in your Aptera with vacuum tube versions, you should be safe.

      Oh, a simple faraday cage won’t work for EMP protection but maybe you could use the same TEMPEST requirements of the US military to harden your Aptera.

      • This reply was modified 4 months, 4 weeks ago by  Dennis Swaney.
      • This reply was modified 4 months, 4 weeks ago by  Dennis Swaney.
      • Fanfare 100

        Member
        May 25, 2022 at 3:38 pm

        Unless you use tubes, there are methods now which will defeat most EMP measures previously thought of as “safe”. The 3 main superpowers and one very small country in the middle east know what these methods are and have employed them since at least November 11th of 2004 and actually continue to employ them today.

        So, basically, by the time there is a justification for you to worry about this, you likely also will have bigger things to also worry about. lol

  • Curtis Cibinel

    Member
    May 7, 2022 at 12:03 pm

    Come on people be realistic. Its a consumer vehicle. What’s next bioweapon defense mode.

    • Dennis Swaney

      Member
      May 7, 2022 at 1:53 pm

      With the proper sealing, filtering, and internal overpressure, you might be able to survive long enough to don your MOPP gear!

    • OZ (It’s OZ, Just OZ)

      Member
      May 7, 2022 at 3:36 pm

      At least zombie resistant windows.

      • Mark Salyzyn

        Member
        July 26, 2022 at 5:34 am

        Double tap …

    • Fanfare 100

      Member
      May 25, 2022 at 3:41 pm

      Well, when the dune buggies of Mad Max begin to appear roving over the horizon, then you know it’s time to activate HEMP (High-Altitude Electromagnetic Pulse) mode. There might be a future option package for that to evade upper atmospheric neutron bombs, but you’ll also need to get the off-off-road package for that. 😉

  • Thomas Bushaw

    Member
    May 7, 2022 at 2:54 pm

    I suspect that if there is an EMP attack, the well-being of my Aptera will not be really too high on my list of worries.

  • Llewellyn Evans

    Member
    May 7, 2022 at 3:38 pm

    Coronal mass ejections are not rare, we near-missed a big one that passed through our orbit this year. We also hit a category G3 on the 14th of April.

    A G5 can damage electricity grids.

    The best advice in a G5 is to un-plug everything from the grid.

    I am GUESSING that charging your Aptera from solar will probably be fine.

    PHYSICS NERDS … please correct me if I am wrong.


    Geomagnetic Storm Scale

    https://spaceweather.sansa.org.za/space-weather-information/definitions/noaa-scales/297-geomagnetic-storm-scale

    • Gary Greenway

      Member
      May 7, 2022 at 4:33 pm

      I agree the Aptera should be fine in a CME. Unless it’s plugged in charging.

      Fortunately we have advance warnings on these things to allow us to flip our breakers off and unplug the expensive stuff.

  • John Trotter

    Moderator
    May 7, 2022 at 4:58 pm

    Sheesh. I know, no question is a bad question, but this comes close. Widespread nuclear EMP would be accompanied with a collapse of the world economy, not to mention widespread radiation and blast effects. Wildly unprecedented solar EMP might, just might, have an effect, but my little Aptera would be the least of my worries. Machine-generated EMP pulses are far less risky than just plain projectiles, something this country allows for civilians in abundance.

    • Llewellyn Evans

      Member
      May 7, 2022 at 7:09 pm

      If you want bullet proof there is always the Cyber truck.

    • John Malcom

      Member
      May 7, 2022 at 9:04 pm

      Perhaps asked tongue in cheek…..

  • Jim I

    Member
    May 8, 2022 at 5:45 am

    Probably related: War of the Worlds is on Netflix 🤣

    The problem with creating a solution that makes it so everything you own survives a disaster is that someone (or more likely, some people) is going to come and take your stuff if we’re really at that Mad Max stage. A solar powered car that functions in the described scenario is going to get fought over and probably destroyed and where are you going anyways when 7 billion people are now in desperate survival mode and you’re using a literal priceless item?

    You’re going to die some day, accept your fate. Better off spending your time and money on ways to enjoy this life as opposed to solutions for problems that don’t exist and even if they do come to fruition, your preparation is likely to be for naught.

    Want to survive an apocalypse? Turn yourself into a backpacker, secure water, make yourself mobile and inconspicuous and if the disaster lasts longer than a few months, whatever, wasn’t meant to be anyways.

    If you really want to prepare for this kind of emergency, work with organizations. We’re social beings and the “takers” are going to band together, find a group. The loaner either dies or lives a miserable life.

    Joining the National Guard or a relief organization is the more practical and logical “extreme” preparedness scenario. Be apart of humanity in both this life and the one you’re scared of existing.

    • Llewellyn Evans

      Member
      May 10, 2022 at 5:11 pm

      When world war 3 comes, the only things left moving will be cockroaches and Aptera (plural?).

      not being serious.

      • John Malcom

        Member
        May 10, 2022 at 5:34 pm

        Cockroaches for sure😉

        • Lord Chad Dunham

          Member
          May 10, 2022 at 8:00 pm

          I’d bet Keith Richards might survive as well since all of the drugs haven’t killed him yet.

      • Stefan Obel

        Member
        May 17, 2022 at 7:31 am

        don’t forget the scorpions 🙂

      • Bryant Day

        Member
        July 27, 2022 at 1:53 pm

        “I do not know what weapons will be used in WW III but WW IV will only make the gravel bounce.”
        (I wish I could remember who to credit for this quote.)

        • OZ (It’s OZ, Just OZ)

          Member
          July 27, 2022 at 2:34 pm

          Attributed to unknown, prior to this anecdotal possible quote by Einstein:

          Professor Albert Einstein was asked by friends at a recent dinner party what new weapons might be employed in World War III. Appalled at the implications, he shook his head.

          After several minutes of meditation, he said. “I don’t know what weapons might be used in World War III. But there isn’t any doubt what weapons will be used in World War IV.”

          “And what are those?” a guest asked.

          “Stone spears,” said Einstein.

  • Philip Raymond

    Member
    May 11, 2022 at 8:38 pm

    Well I’m ready for when robots attack and they will! Their strong metal claws are no match for my Aptera……

    https://youtu.be/g4Gh_IcK8UM

    • Stefan Obel

      Member
      May 17, 2022 at 7:35 am

      Thank you for sharing life changing commercial.
      There is such a wealth of information on SNL.

  • Kevin Bradbury

    Member
    May 12, 2022 at 5:55 pm

    I am unplugging my Roomba.😟

    Anyone interested in a used Roomba?😜

    • Llewellyn Evans

      Member
      May 12, 2022 at 6:19 pm

      OOOH

      mememememememememe

    • Stefan Obel

      Member
      May 17, 2022 at 7:36 am

      I donated my roomba to the Habitat for Humanity thrift store.

  • John Malcom

    Member
    May 12, 2022 at 6:00 pm

    It is so good we can have a sense of humor and a little fun in the times we live in. Says something good about Aptera enthusiasts 😁

  • Konijnerd the Great

    Member
    May 13, 2022 at 10:23 am

    thanks for making this thread. I personally think that Europa and the USA are also vulnerable to nuclear attacks. Will my aptera survive if it’s bombed by a nuclear weapon? Can i sit in the car radiation-free? Will it be possible to harness the power of the radiation to drive when the air is covered in ash?

    Thanks team.

    • Stefan Obel

      Member
      May 17, 2022 at 7:42 am

      Beware of the Neutrino / Neutron bomb.

      Your vehicle will most likely survive a close encounter but not a direct hit.
      The whole idea of that type of device is to maximize organic impact while leaving the infrastructure mostly intact. Disclaimer: cockroaches and scorpions don’t qualify as “organic” in this context LOL

      So while your Aptera may very well survive that kind of device, you sitting in the vehicle probably would not fare as well.

  • my_discord_number_is_0328 bloody stupid

    Member
    May 13, 2022 at 11:32 am

    top gear did video on being struck by lightening in a normal car. “more Pi” on youtube did vidoe on his older prius struck by lightening stoped working.

  • Llewellyn Evans

    Member
    May 13, 2022 at 5:35 pm

    Lightning strike …… In an Aptera you are not fully enclosed in conductive metal. There is the leads from the roof solar and the panel itself …. but I don’t how much protection that would afford you.

    In other words you could get hit by lightning inside an Aptera ????? Lightning strike on carbon fibre parts is also exciting. (in a bad way)

    Physics nerds please correct me if I am wrong.

    • Stefan Obel

      Member
      May 17, 2022 at 7:45 am

      Quick fix for that: Add some chicken wire to the vehicle. It is lightweight but still has the protective properties that protect the chicken from the fox 🙂

  • Erik Vangsness

    Member
    May 23, 2022 at 8:29 pm

    The real question for me is if Aptera is comparable with the current technology the DOD is currently using to address the EMP threat: https://www.empshield.com/product/vehicle/

    • Jim I

      Member
      May 24, 2022 at 3:10 am

      <div>I know it sounds like this must involved tachyon beams from the USS Enterprise but this isn’t really advanced tech. Literally just run electrical current to create a magnetic field. Doesn’t even need to be that strong.</div><div>

      Side note, this is also true for space travel. An active magnetic field could shield our astronauts from harmful radiation on the way to Mars.

      </div>

    • John Malcom

      Member
      May 24, 2022 at 7:55 am

      I would put this capability WAY down the list of concerns for an Aptera. Fine for you to research and experiment with after you receive your Aptera under the Right to Repair. Then you can report back to those that are interested in counter EMP measures.

      • Jim I

        Member
        May 24, 2022 at 9:04 am

        I’m kind of hoping every single post on here isn’t serious and have been proceeding as such.

        ..or you know, clad your garage with lead, that’ll work too.

  • Lane Costilow

    Member
    July 26, 2022 at 12:44 am

    Here’s a serious one.

    I’m not worried about an EMP or zombies. I’m worried that the climate will be so bad that my children and grandchildren will have a hard time surviving. We haven’t done enough to clean up our mess, and we don’t know how this will affect the weather. The dry southwest USA could become cloud-covered or even hotter and dryer than it is now. Some places may become uninhabitable. So many people may die that there aren’t enough techs to keep things running. So I better get the best Aptera I can.

    How’s that for gloomy?

    • Llewellyn Evans

      Member
      July 26, 2022 at 12:56 am

      That is pretty gloomy.

      At least you will have plenty of company. There could be as many as 1.2Bn climate refugees by 2050.🤡

    • Kevin Bradbury

      Member
      July 26, 2022 at 6:43 pm

      I just hope they ramp up assembly of Apterae so everybody will have one. Hate to find myself alone in my solar powered magic carpet, driving past hordes of Mad Max types jealously eyeing me wondering how many of them it would take to knock me out and take it from me.😟

    • Steven G. Bueche

      Member
      July 28, 2022 at 11:13 am

      What if they started planting trees from the outer most hottest parts and worked their way inwards? Would this not only cool things down but in fact create another Amazon Rain Forrest of sorts? There have been areas of the world that have approached this idea with some success.

      Adding to your gloom, there’s always attacks from those who don’t have gas but heard about the folks driving around without it. Let’s get a raiding party and take their cars! (Mad Max 3)

  • James Gatan

    Member
    July 26, 2022 at 7:54 am

    Aptera should offer a “Faraday Garage/Cage” anti EMP pre order option. 😂

    Actually, one can semi DIY one. Get a toy hauler and line it WELL with LOTS of aluminum foil..

    • Lane Costilow

      Member
      July 26, 2022 at 8:37 am

      I want their first priority to be production of what they already have planned. Like other add-ons, EMP protection can come later at additional cost.

  • Dennis Swaney

    Member
    July 26, 2022 at 7:19 pm

    For those concerned about EMP threat, just move to Chico, California. They have a city ordinance making it illegal to set off a nuclear weapon there. 🤣

  • MidnightPilot .

    Member
    July 27, 2022 at 4:25 pm

    The EMP danger is vastly overstated and based on old technology and older measuring techniques.

    If you’re in range to take damage from an EMP, you’re likely also within blast range of the same device.

    If that’s the case, your electronics are not your biggest problem here

    • Riley …

      Member
      July 28, 2022 at 4:35 pm

      Google Starfish Prime the EMP was strong enough to destroy 300 streetlights on Honolulu 900 miles away and knocked out 8 satellites. this being in 1962 there wasn’t really that much electronics and today it would be apocalyptic.

  • Vernon Michael Gardner

    Member
    July 27, 2022 at 5:02 pm

    Affected: Telecommunications equipment can be highly vulnerable and receivers of all varieties are particularly sensitive to EMP. Therefore radar and electronic warfare equipment, satellite, microwave, UHF, VHF, HF and low band communications equipment and television equipment are all potentially vulnerable to the EMP effect.


    Not Affected: Appliances like a fireplace, solar oven, power tools or generators won’t be affected by an EMP. These non-electric appliances don’t necessarily operate with solid-state electronic controls and will probably still work when even after an EMP has blasted through your area.

    WHAT IS EMP AND HOW IS IT CREATED? The most important mechanism for Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) production from a nuclear detonation is the <b style=”background-color: transparent; font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; letter-spacing: 0px;”>ionization of air molecules by gamma rays generated from the explosion.

    The origin of an EMP can be natural or artificial.

  • Johnny Acree Acree

    Member
    July 28, 2022 at 4:14 am

    Funny thing, when I was reading this, the power went off!

  • Thomas Forsyth

    Member
    July 30, 2022 at 12:15 pm

    EMP attack would happen a little before a nuclear attack to try to prevent counter measures, but your car will be the least of your worries if it comes to that. Probably better to be evaporated than survive.

    The real threat comes from a massive solar corneal ejection.This is most likely every eleven years when sun spots peak. Next in 2024? You can make a faraday blanket and would probably have some warning time so you only need cover when there is an alert. Toss other electronics in the car first! Pretty much all in the “prepper realm.”

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