All about Gamma

Aptera Community Aptera Discussions All about Gamma

Aptera Community Aptera Discussions All about Gamma

  • All about Gamma

  • Patrick Liebknecht

    Member
    October 21, 2022 at 8:50 pm

    Anyone still think that the paradigm editions will be delivered by the end of 2023 ? As promised ?

    Always. Under promise and over perform, you will make way more friends that way.

    • John Voules

      Member
      October 22, 2022 at 12:49 am

      I believe you meant at the end of 2022 and not 2023?

    • Harry Parker

      Moderator
      October 22, 2022 at 4:11 pm

      Patrick, I’ve never heard the word “promise” from an Aptera employee regarding delivery dates. I’ve only heard, we “hope” and we “plan” and we “expect”. A promise can’t be rightly made when they don’t control everything required to do that thing.

      They have pledged to do crash tests and share the results before Apteras are offered for sale. I figure that means nobody gets their Paradigm before the 2nd quarter at the earliest. Maybe in the 3rd quarter?

  • Raj Giandeep

    Member
    October 22, 2022 at 2:15 pm

    When I talked to one of the Aptera employees at Fully Charged Live. They mentioned with gamma they can start to test the real world range since the change to delta will be so minor.

    • Jonah Jorgenson

      Member
      October 22, 2022 at 5:11 pm

      Always a little uncomfortable with a statement of “The change to delta will be so minor” until in is demonstrated with data after the testing

  • Barry Schader

    Member
    October 23, 2022 at 5:41 pm

    Did anybody else feel like the seating material and the material on the center armrest cover were a little cheap? They’re not intended to be the final interior materials, I’m guessing.

    (Note: I only sat in the passenger seat — didn’t want to wait in line for the driver’s seat.)

    • John Voules

      Member
      October 23, 2022 at 5:58 pm

      Not sure if armrest was made of pineapple leather like some of the other items in the center console. I do know though that they have decided against using pineapple leather as they weren’t happy with the quality. The seating material didn’t seem so bad. I do know that they are testing all the fabrics for longevity and ability to maintain clean.

  • Christopher Morehouse

    Member
    October 31, 2022 at 6:34 pm

    My understand was the gammas would be used for a lot of pre-production testing.

    I have only seen the one. How many are there? If it is still just the one when will there be more?

    Even if there are no deliveries this year, will production be started this year? Or tooling of the production line even? There has been a lot of ‘news’ lately without much actual news… How close is Aptera to making a product?

    Related question that I don’t expect a direct answer to, but would love to hear those on here’s speculation; How much longer can Aptera function absent a revenue stream? I’ve heard the figure thrown around that they need $50M to start production, but that assumes production starts when? If the date slips to the right, that number goes up, thats just how this works…. So is it $50M assuming they have the production line started tooled and manned by the end of this year? Or by 1Q next year? Again, I don’t expect a real answer, but would love to hear what people think.

    I invested previously, but intend to skip this round unless we get more news from the ‘news’. Still wishing them success, and hoping to see my car in 2024 (600 mile AWD, so I have no expectation of seeing it before 2 years from now which is what I was expecting when I preordered but now consider that best case).

  • John Young

    Member
    October 31, 2022 at 7:38 pm

    1 gamma. Probably not anymore. On to Delta.

    Aptera hopes to have the production intent design by the end of the year.

    The next 6 months will be production parts procurement and validation per Chris during the Gamma reveal. A few Deltas will be built through that period of time. Deliveries can’t realistically be expected until next summer at the earliest.

  • David Marlow

    Member
    November 1, 2022 at 3:11 am

    I suspect they are building at least one more Gamma to have to take around the country.

    They have said their goal is to have the design of Delta finished in November.

    The question I have is, what are they currently doing with the Gamma they have?

    • Mark Salyzyn

      Member
      November 1, 2022 at 10:24 am

      At fully charged they mentioned they were already pencils down on Delta design. Indicating there were a few changes.

    • Jonah Jorgenson

      Member
      November 1, 2022 at 10:44 am

      I believe only one gamma. They have indicated that, as the first fully functional 400mi Aptera, it will be doing real world testing, performance etc.

  • Christopher Morehouse

    Member
    November 1, 2022 at 6:47 pm

    So what size battery is the one and only Gamma? I assume it is front wheel drive only.

    • kerbe2705

      Member
      November 1, 2022 at 7:17 pm

      @Christopher Morehouse You assume incorrectly, my friend: The current Gamma is the 3-motor AWD variant. We don’t know, yet, about its battery but it’s safe to assume that it’s a small one as the prototype doesn’t have a functional belly-cooling system.

    • OZ (It’s OZ, Just OZ)

      Member
      November 1, 2022 at 7:24 pm

      IIRC the Gamma is using the first production type battery pack, so it is a 400 mile range, 45kWh (41kWh usable) model.

  • Steven G. Bueche

    Member
    November 2, 2022 at 4:36 am

    Hey look, I’m just some guy who threw a couple of bucks down, reserved and invested so what do I know.

    It boggles my mind that the two things Aptera touted more than anything (besides range and efficiency) were Solar and Belly pan cooling. So how is it that we don’t have a functional cooling system yet this close to production?

    Changes? We can keep making changes until the cows come home. All this will do is delays things. Unless they’re major, what’s the point? Get this thing out the door. Rates are climbing which will hurt some sales. Other EV’s are hitting the market that are close if not cheaper than the price point.

    Now, there’s only one or maybe two Gamma’s when we were told many would be made for testing.

    I’m starting to feel like this thing will miss another deadline (that makes 2 or is it 3 now?) and we won’t see this thing start production until mid-late summer. Where’s the monthly updates? Where’s the Here’s Where We’re At postings. Can it be so hard to say, This is what’s going on and why the delays? These are our plans moving forward.

    Why must we only be told after some other video tells us what they’ve found?

    Ok, sure I’m a little impatient at this point. Been waiting since 2008 and I thought I’d be driving this thing by now. But I’m not waiting until the 12th of Never.

    And no, you can’t have my place in line. lol

    Has anyone mentioned the green windshield and its purpose?

    • Francis Giroux

      Member
      November 2, 2022 at 1:13 pm

      What “Green Windshield” and what “deadlines”? I have seen goals but not deadlines. Deadlines are for subordinates with consequences of “you’re fired.” Deadlines and promises have not been seen, only assumed by posters on this forum. Patience is a virtue in high demand here. “Tribulation worketh patience” Romans 5:3.

      • Dennis Swaney

        Member
        November 2, 2022 at 1:24 pm

        True the only real deadline they rushed to meet was the Fully Charged event in September. As for the “Green Windshield” that may be an artifact of whatever tinted glass they used and the light on and through it. Of course, their refusal to provide actual information to we customers isn’t helpful.

      • Steven G. Bueche

        Member
        November 2, 2022 at 1:40 pm

        When you state Production by the end of the year, it’s a deadline. Two missed so far. If there was something that caused this, it would be nice to know.

  • seth feldman

    Member
    November 2, 2022 at 6:38 pm

    So far Chris Anthony and Aptera have lots of unproven claims.

    -The wrap will be super duper durable, and environmentally friendly (I’d believe, and be less critical of admitting it’s simply the fastest/cheapest path to production. It would certainly sound more honest to me)

    -100mpwh

    -40mpd max solar charging (with real world driving and sunlight I’d expect 15-20miles average in san diego)

    -The belly cooling pan (I’d worry about rock impacts and road debris on top of any mechanical failures or overloading the tiny fan)

    Lots of thing to test, so it’s kind of surprising at least to me that gamma is missing key systems, or that there is only only one to go around….

    • Trevor Anderson

      Member
      November 11, 2022 at 12:30 pm

      In a couple videos I have seen they talk about “Driving into work in the dark, leaving it to charge in the sun all day, and driving home in the dark ‘with more miles than you started with’ “

      They wont verify any power numbers while in motion because that varies so much. I would expect it to be significantly less efficient than it being in parking mode.

  • David Marlow

    Member
    November 11, 2022 at 3:27 pm

    I was hoping that by now we would be seeing a lot more of Gamma. The C.P.C. announcement was very reassuring, but it seems like we will not see a Delta until about spring. I am expecting that reviews of actual test rides by well known Aptera fans should be comming soon.

    To have it shown in places other than the southern California area would also be impressing more investors.

  • OZ (It’s OZ, Just OZ)

    Member
    November 12, 2022 at 5:26 am
  • Ray Holan

    Moderator
    November 12, 2022 at 6:32 am

    Thanks for linking this video, Oz.

    Haven’t watched the entire video yet, but here’s some tidbits that seemed significant so far. I ignored the over-the-top enthusiasm of the YouTube couple in the video and focused on what Dave H. , who rode in the Aptera, had to say about the Gamma he rode in as a passenger:

    It was quick — nothing we haven’t already heard there…

    It felt “finished” — reassuring; we expected there would be less creaking, etc. vs. Alpha

    It tracked straight and true — Dave’s impression as they zipped along the highway

    Seats fine for long trips — the seat comfort got a thumbs up

    Headroom no problem for tall drivers — Dave recounted a 6’4″ guy at Fully Charged saying he was surprised he had enough head room as he has a long torso.

    I’m sure there’s several other points in the rest of the video that I haven’t highlighted.

    • John Voules

      Member
      November 12, 2022 at 7:00 am

      For me the best part of the video was there was a nice view of the APTERA at night. Beautiful lighting that created nice visual glow off reflected body panels. Super Cool!

  • Jonah Jorgenson

    Member
    November 12, 2022 at 8:11 am

    Thanks for making this video available to the forum!

    In fact thanks to all on the forum who lookout for Aptera post and refer them to us here as they are a better source of Aptera information than the Aptera forum itself.

  • George Hughes

    Member
    November 12, 2022 at 10:39 am

    I saw the DTL’s video and heard the story of the ride including the ‘punch-it’ order from Chris. Cool.

    I bought my EV from a private party in early 2018 and as my rule is to pay cash for cars and I’m ‘cheap’ … I was looking at the early models with sub 100 mile ranges. The Spark EV was getting nods for being fun along with the Fiat 500E. This was when the first round of EVs that had been put out on lease.

    I found my ‘car’ on Craigslist and made arrangements to test it and ultimately buy it.

    The guy, noting my interest in the mid-7’s 0-60 times in the Spark, suggested that was nothing and invited me for a short jaunt in his ‘new vette.’

    I’ve driven at speeds over 100 mph for literally hours in my nearly 60 years of driving but I had never driven at these speeds weaving in and out of traffic. I’d passed many cars on the freeway but this ride was weird because of the sensation and also because I think the guy was trying to freak me out.

    But it was weird because when you’re traveling 120 mph in traffic going 45, it is like driving through a maze of not quite stationary objects at 65 mph.

    It is awesome to know that the Aptera is easily capable of every bit and more of that really remarkable and totally irresponsible act by the guy who sold me the hot hatch.

    I don’t see myself ever driving like that unless I was trying to outrun a nuclear blast in the next holler. Still, that level of power and control is ‘remarkable’ and having access to it BECAUSE you chose the MOST EFFICIENT vehicle that runs on the suns is pure magic.

  • David MACFADYEN

    Member
    November 13, 2022 at 6:45 am

    So , is the Gamma that David H was a passenger in, front wheel drive or all wheel drive ?

    I like his comment “riding on rails”

  • David MACFADYEN

    Member
    November 13, 2022 at 9:24 am

    Hmm, But the 1st Aptera deliveries will be front wheel drive 400 mile range …. True ?

    • John Voules

      Member
      November 13, 2022 at 10:20 am

      That was and up to now, until we hear something different, still should be the case. Just remember the first 1,000 or so APTERA will be sold locally. It is possible that after the first wave of local sales, they may be in a good position to deliver the all wheel drive versions.

  • kerbe2705

    Member
    November 13, 2022 at 2:34 pm

    Steve did an interview with Dave, too: https://youtu.be/JNBTwKpKGCw

    • William Manewal

      Member
      November 14, 2022 at 7:57 pm

      Anybody know why this gap is here?

      • Rex Schneider

        Member
        November 15, 2022 at 8:50 am

        It’s not a gap. Someone was obviously doing some work on the wheel. The back plate has been pulled back for service. Look at the video with the car driving and you will see it all buttoned up.

  • Steven Kutoroff Kutoroff

    Member
    November 23, 2022 at 7:39 am

    Gamma is out of box (bag?).

    Isn’t it time to update the photos and videos on the Aptera pages to reflect this?

    Come on people. Show use more Gamma in action. Show it off.

    :-)🙂

  • Scott

    Member
    September 11, 2022 at 3:37 pm

    Yeah, I was really hoping they were going to be able to figure out how to paint it, too, even as an extra cost upgrade option. Sounds like it is definitely on us to fix that after purchase. Otherwise, a mostly incredible vehicle.

  • Lauren Brimmer Brimmer

    Member
    September 12, 2022 at 8:24 pm

    And Chris also said how incredibly costly paint is from a manufacturing standpoint… paint-shop setup is something like 35% of the cost of a production line. After seeing gorgeous wrapped Teslas at the show, I think I agree with the wrap in concept, though I’m still understanding the details.

  • Kevin Bradbury

    Member
    September 11, 2022 at 4:56 pm

    Even though you couldn’t adjust the seat any, do you have an opinion on the seat’s comfort?

  • John Voules

    Member
    September 11, 2022 at 5:03 pm

    Kevin it was my number one thing to look at, not being able to adjust anything meant I had to live with bad seating position. Seats them selves felt somewhat German firm. I do feel that I would be able to adjust and be comfortable. But I can’t promise that. I know that there were many on the forum including myself that consider seating the priority.

  • Miles Hunter

    Member
    September 11, 2022 at 5:12 pm

    I’m 5’11” and the seat was a little too far back for me. I didn’t know I couldn’t adjust the seat so I moved it forward to where it felt right. I was in the act of lowering the yoke when I was stopped. I asked if I could close the door the see what it felt like but was told I couldn’t. All in all, it was firm and comfortable. I asked the guy in the passenger seat to pretend we were on a flight together and fighting for the armrest. The armrest was fine, bigger than some cars. I was surprised to find out I had to duck under the door to get close enough to get in. I’d suspected it might be hard to get in and out. It wasn’t but the experience was diminished somewhat by having to duck my head before I got in and again after getting out.

  • James Gatan

    Member
    September 11, 2022 at 5:32 pm

    Miles, probably grab handles would help, for easier ingress and egress of our Aptera. This should be added, as standard interior equipment (as in other cars).

  • Miles Hunter

    Member
    September 11, 2022 at 5:36 pm

    The actual ingress and egress were not difficult, as I suspected they might be. It was just a surprise to me that the door represents an obstacle, I’d never considered that. Not bad enough to cancel an order, nothing like that. Maybe just something to get used to.

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