MemberJuly 11, 2022 at 6:01 am
I would think that based on the average age of the reservist (as stated on this and other media FB sites) and the age of Chris and Steve (not calling them old) the seats will be most important. Remember Chris owns a Tesla and understands what a good seat feels like and how it effects the overall enjoyment of a car.
With the largest request being the 400 mile range, maybe the suspension is set up for this vehicle? Maybe they’ll have to adjust it for the 600 and 1000 ranges due to the increased weight of the batteries?
Either way, when designing an interior, the drivers comfort, position, ergonomics and the steering position will be top priority.
MemberJuly 26, 2022 at 8:33 pm
I assume they’ve done some long distance testing in the seats. If they’re offering 400, 600 and 1000 mile versions, then to me that means the car/seats have to be comfortable enough for long days in the saddle, as it were.
I think we’ve all driven in cars where the 20 milers are fine but as you increase the hours, your butt and back start to send you feedback. That’s when you really know if the seat is comfortable, imho. I hope they put very adjustable seats in. Up/Down Forward/Back Lumbar support (!!) And the various tilts to customize the position as much as possible. One of the primary reasons I purchased the model of Prius I drive was for seat adjustability.
Actually, while going thru the pre-order process, I totally had the thought that it may depend on how comfortable the seats are. If you can’t really drive more than an hour before your body starts to give you feedback, then it seems silly to order anything more than the 250 (if at all, tbh).
Would be great to get some info on seat and general cockpit comfort. The seats I’ve seen, don’t look that comfy, tbh. But they are also looking so many innovations, maybe the seats are some new fangle Star Trek cross the universe level of innovation.
MemberAugust 14, 2022 at 6:47 pm
I was wondering how far the seats will recline. Most cars can recline almost flat for those long trips. It would be great if they reclined at least 45 degrees.
MemberAugust 14, 2022 at 7:10 pm
That would be great, then you could nap on long distance drives like the cross country I plan to take to get my Aptera home.
MemberAugust 15, 2022 at 8:24 pm
The adjustability of the seats is especially important for taller people like myself (6’5″). Being able to adjust the seat to allow maximum leg room and road visibility is important. Most smaller vehicles I have driven do not have much seat adjustment and thus I have to duck my head to see things like stop lights.
MemberAugust 19, 2022 at 6:01 pm
The latest on seat adjustments says a lot but says nothing. This statement sounds like a response from Alan Greenspan.
The seats in Aptera are fully adjustable, moving forward and backward at
an angle so that everyone can find their preferred seating position. I wish Aptera would explain seat adjustment in simple English.
MemberAugust 17, 2022 at 5:58 am
I can see heated seats for sure, but cooled seats may more problematic. There has to be some kind of ventilation in the passenger compartment, but I haven’t seen anything about that yet.
MemberAugust 17, 2022 at 11:56 am
Then you need to go back and read the ENTIRE forum. The cooling has been discussed many times. The Apterea will also auto-cool the interior to the outside ambient temperature while parked in the sun.
MemberAugust 25, 2022 at 1:19 pm
I would favor adjustable seat backs: lay the passenger seat forward flat to accommodate a long board, or adjust seat back angle to accommodate lumbar comfort. Also: put a cam in the lumbar area to adjust lumbar support? More Comfort adjustments = mo bettah.
MemberAugust 25, 2022 at 1:33 pm
Nothing is expected to change post Gamma, so you are in need of info.
In the Gamma reveal, there is an indent in the dashboard designed to accept the headrest from the passenger seat, so it should get out of the way, maybe not flat, IDK. AFAIK a long board can fit in the rear area without folding the seat. Take a look at the what can fit inside the trunk video on this site.
I would recommend sending a PM via the contact us link with Aptera to find out if they have a lumbar knob. It does not appear to be visible on the Gamma driver seat. I was happy driving my S2000 for 16 years, never felt the need for a lumbar knob, and the Aptera seats are reminiscent of my S2000, albeit a little less ‘huggy’.
Alternatively, you might consider going to the show Sept 11th in San Diego and take a look yourself, feel the comfort of their seat, and please report back your findings.
MemberSeptember 2, 2022 at 3:13 pm
Here’s the latest from Aptera on the Gamma seat… https://fb.watch/fiei3jQRbk/
MemberSeptember 2, 2022 at 3:40 pm
Looks like a passenger seat by the placement of the tilt handle on the right (Outside) side. By this illustration, looks like the passenger seat will not fold flat or fold such that it can be used as a desk. That is OK with me. Cheaper, less weight configuration. May disappoint some that were expecting or wanting a fold flat seat.
MemberSeptember 6, 2022 at 11:43 am
Will those of you who go to Fully Charged Live in SD please post a review of the seats here on this forum.
Aptera Motor Club just posted a video about the seats and I don’t like what I see. It doesn’t appear if there is any height adjustment on the seat and the overall adjustability seems to be minimal. My girlfriend has a very bad back and shes extremely sensitive to seats. I’m less picky but I still like to be able to adjust height. The seat is the one thing that could be an absolute deal breaker for me.
ModeratorSeptember 6, 2022 at 12:29 pm
I think our “back side” is like a fingerprint… All different !
I have had a short ride in Sol and had no issue, but typically don’t in many vehicles
My wife has a skinny back side and even though I think our Honda Ridgeline seats are great ( driving cross country twice)… I used this cushion (Attached) and she was fine, making Our Pit Stops along the way!
Our seat air circulation even worked nicely!
We will see what the amazing Aptera reveal allows at the show!
For an autocycle….WOW!
ModeratorSeptember 6, 2022 at 12:36 pm
Fingers crossed here, Joshua. Seats are definitely key. Have to wonder if the passenger seat will be different from the driver’s seat and allow it to fold down to touch the dashboard so owners looking to unroll their mattress pad and camp in the Aptera or haul surfboards will have enough room.
MemberSeptember 6, 2022 at 12:51 pm
Ray, doubt the seats will be different. Having them the same means no extra design/engineering work, no separate testing or manufacturing procedures. Since only one side (Passenger) would fold down not much help for sleeping pads if more than one occupant. But who knows…..We will in a few days!
MemberSeptember 6, 2022 at 12:38 pm
The seats certainly are not completely adjustable as claimed. I am not sure why Aptera claims so when it is obvious they are not. A little loss of credibility there.
But, they are commensurate with the Aptera ethos of efficiency. I think to get the advantages that Aptera offers many will get the Aptera and switch out the seats for some third-party product they feel more comfortable with assuming the rails are standard. Of course, the seats should be tried in person to assess them for personal suitability.
MemberSeptember 6, 2022 at 12:49 pm
Crossing my fingers that the seat brackets (or whatever mounting mechanism) is some industry standard. If the seat really doesn’t fit me I’d rather replace the seat than reject the car.
MemberSeptember 7, 2022 at 7:47 am
I don’t see how replacing a seat is an option. There is no such thing as an aftermarket seat store as far as I can tell. Buying a seat over the Internet, which seems to be the only way to get them, doesn’t make sense because you can’t test them before you buy them and the whole point of the exercise is to find a comfortable seat which you can’t do from pictures.
I’ve tried Googling for aftermarket car seats, replacement car seats and just car seats near me. Aftermarket and replacement just gets websites, car seats alone gets baby seats.
MemberSeptember 6, 2022 at 1:21 pm
They probably travel forward and back on curved mechanism where the seat moves up in relationship to it moving forward toward the yoke.
MemberSeptember 6, 2022 at 1:32 pm
It looks like they don’t go into a reclining position. Also, aren’t they suppose to be heated?
MemberSeptember 6, 2022 at 2:07 pm
They can’t recline very far because the back of the seats are so close to the forward edge of the trunk. Heated seats may not make the first production Aptera. Cabin heat will be resistive heating.
MemberSeptember 6, 2022 at 5:01 pm
Where is this video? I checked under NEWS on the Aptera Motors website and I could not find it. The Aptera Motors website should be the ultimate authority.
The seat moves upward when slid forward? I guess I miss that. I see several people have mentioned that. Is this really to make the seat higher, or to keep the seat level? It looks like the floor is sloping downward as you move forward.
Seats are important. I had a professor of engineering (University of Illinois) who formerly worked for Porsche. He said there was a test years ago where they had people test drive a car and rate its brakes, steering, ride, and handling. Then they replaced the bench seat with a form fitting bucket seat and harness. They told the people they had changed the brakes, suspension, and other things, and asked the people to test drive the car and rate the same characteristics they did before. They unanimously rated every thing better. In reality, the seat was the only thing that had been changed.
As I said, seats are important. There are some things on which Aptera may be following their ethos a bit too closely. As time passes, people will forget about efficiency and just think about their back and butt pain.
MemberSeptember 6, 2022 at 5:11 pm
PD, go to the main forums page and scroll towards the bottom, it’s under social media highlights.
MemberSeptember 13, 2022 at 5:44 pm
Went to the show this weekend, and saw and sat in the gamma ver Aptera. And yes I am on the list to buy. The only disappointing thing, was the seat… it was very hard and therefore uncomfortable. You wouldn’t think a seat would be that difficult to get right. For me, a comfortable seat is important, and potentially a “deal breaker” if not corrected.’
MemberSeptember 13, 2022 at 5:47 pm
Hard. Is that it? Too narrow for your body? Not enough thigh support? Too much thigh support? Not enough lumbar?
MemberSeptember 13, 2022 at 6:24 pm
It truly is hard to realize how good the seat is unless you are able to adjust it. To come out and say bad seats doesn’t tell anyone anything. I could see if you had adjusted them to the best of what works for you and then maybe drive for an hour…then I would be willing to listen to what specific issues you may have.
MemberSeptember 13, 2022 at 7:21 pm
Joseph, before you decide to abandon your reservation, you may want to see whether any after-market car seat cushion, lumbar support, etc, that may mitigate your concern.
For me, the big concern for the seat is that it may sit too low. I am 5’7″ and I am used to drive the van with my legs in a normal chair position, which I find more comfortable for long distance drive than in a sedan. I think most likely I will add a cushion to sit higher in the Aptera.
MemberSeptember 13, 2022 at 7:26 pm
I’m also 5’7 and plan to raise the seats up with spacers and longer bolts. This is primarily for a better view of the road and ease of entry. This also gives extra under seat storage for first aid kit and tools.
This shows a big fit getting in alpha and gamma and largely validates the claims someone 6’8″ would be ok.
MemberSeptember 13, 2022 at 8:21 pm
Last time I owned a car, I just left a pillow in the driver’s seat to sit on.
I agree that better seats are desirable. The reasoning they gave is that cushy seats add weight, and they’re optimizing for efficiency. Although I would rather take the efficiency hit for comfortable seats. But since that’s not happening, a pillow might do.
MemberSeptember 13, 2022 at 8:40 pm
Hmm… thanks for the post. I have also been concerned about the seats. They look spiffy but they never looked that comfortable.
Maybe after market pad and lumbar thing might help.
This may actually impact which model I select. Like if I can’t sit for hours then I’m not I’d opt for the longer distance and pay the extra $$. Dang. Wish I could have been able to try.
MemberSeptember 14, 2022 at 3:24 am
I have not sat in the Gamma but I have sat on hard seats in other vehicles.
As Chris is so apt to saying, This feels like a sporty ride.
Hard seats and sporty rides do not go hand in hand.
Hard seats do not soften over time and are uncomfortable on long trips.
I would not intend to pay $30K for the chance to change the seats.
I will have to take a test ride for any purchase if this is the case. I’m like many who is older and therefor need a comfortable seat. How can you sell a car with extended range and not expect the seats to be more forgiving?
Are there others who have sat in Gamma who can shed more light on this subject?
ModeratorSeptember 14, 2022 at 6:43 am
Judging seat comfort is very subjective. I find the seats in my Hyundai Ioniq hybrid comfortable. My wife thinks they are too hard. As has been mentioned in this seat thread, there are many aftermarket pads that can be added. Is that annoying when you’re spending lots of $$ on an Aptera? Yes, but it seems like a workable compromise to me. Not a perfect world.
MemberSeptember 14, 2022 at 9:21 am
My experience has been almost exactly opposite. The factory Recaro seats in my car were hard as a rock when new. After a month or so of driving, it definitely “broke in” and became super comfortable. Every now and then if I sit in the passenger seat, I get reminded just how hard they are when new. The funny thing is that they completely fixed my back pain because they force you to sit with good posture.
MemberSeptember 14, 2022 at 8:51 am
I’m not a seat engineer, butt I do have a thought on the issue. I think it has more to do with weight distribution and angle than it has to do with softness. I have sat on some very comfortable wooden chairs for extended periods of time without issue and conversely on some very uncomfortable plush chairs.
Unfortunately, our proxies who were able to attend the reveal, were not
allowed to make any adjustments and cannot give us their decisive opinion
as to the Aptera’s seat comfort.
MemberNovember 7, 2022 at 10:59 am
I will say that I agree with what many others have said in this thread – that the comfort of the seats will be one of the “make or break” decision points for me. If the seats are not comfortable enough to sit in for hours on end, or cannot be adjusted to make them comfortable to sit in for a prolonged period of time, it will be unlikely that I’ll be able to move forward with purchase. If they are comfortable, that will be one other thing off of my checklist. Seating comfort is critical, especially to those of us who are “older” enthusiasts!
MemberNovember 7, 2022 at 8:31 pm
Or if that is the only con, then you replace the stock seats with ones you prefer albeit Recaro, GM, Ford, BMW, etc.