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  • Aptera Seat Info

     Daniel Hall updated 1 week ago 98 Members · 258 Posts
  • kerbe2705

    Member
    September 2, 2022 at 3:13 pm

    Here’s the latest from Aptera on the Gamma seat… https://fb.watch/fiei3jQRbk/

    • John Malcom

      Member
      September 2, 2022 at 3:40 pm

      Looks like a passenger seat by the placement of the tilt handle on the right (Outside) side. By this illustration, looks like the passenger seat will not fold flat or fold such that it can be used as a desk. That is OK with me. Cheaper, less weight configuration. May disappoint some that were expecting or wanting a fold flat seat.

  • Joshua Rosen

    Member
    September 6, 2022 at 11:43 am

    Will those of you who go to Fully Charged Live in SD please post a review of the seats here on this forum.

    Aptera Motor Club just posted a video about the seats and I don’t like what I see. It doesn’t appear if there is any height adjustment on the seat and the overall adjustability seems to be minimal. My girlfriend has a very bad back and shes extremely sensitive to seats. I’m less picky but I still like to be able to adjust height. The seat is the one thing that could be an absolute deal breaker for me.

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  • Len Nowak

    Moderator
    September 6, 2022 at 12:29 pm

    I think our “back side” is like a fingerprint… All different !

    I have had a short ride in Sol and had no issue, but typically don’t in many vehicles

    My wife has a skinny back side and even though I think our Honda Ridgeline seats are great ( driving cross country twice)… I used this cushion (Attached) and she was fine, making Our Pit Stops along the way!

    Our seat air circulation even worked nicely!

    We will see what the amazing Aptera reveal allows at the show!

    For an autocycle….WOW!

  • Ray Holan

    Moderator
    September 6, 2022 at 12:36 pm

    Fingers crossed here, Joshua. Seats are definitely key. Have to wonder if the passenger seat will be different from the driver’s seat and allow it to fold down to touch the dashboard so owners looking to unroll their mattress pad and camp in the Aptera or haul surfboards will have enough room.

    • John Malcom

      Member
      September 6, 2022 at 12:51 pm

      Ray, doubt the seats will be different. Having them the same means no extra design/engineering work, no separate testing or manufacturing procedures. Since only one side (Passenger) would fold down not much help for sleeping pads if more than one occupant. But who knows…..We will in a few days!

  • John Malcom

    Member
    September 6, 2022 at 12:38 pm

    The seats certainly are not completely adjustable as claimed. I am not sure why Aptera claims so when it is obvious they are not. A little loss of credibility there.

    But, they are commensurate with the Aptera ethos of efficiency. I think to get the advantages that Aptera offers many will get the Aptera and switch out the seats for some third-party product they feel more comfortable with assuming the rails are standard. Of course, the seats should be tried in person to assess them for personal suitability.

    • Bob Kirchner

      Member
      September 7, 2022 at 4:15 pm

      I’m still holding out hope that, while not adjustable for height, the seats might have multiple mounting points that would allow the owner to semi-permanently reinstall the seats in a higher or lower position.

      • Curtis Cibinel

        Member
        September 7, 2022 at 4:59 pm

        Pretty sure that is as simple as a spacer and a longer bolt.

  • Peter Dezendorf

    Member
    September 6, 2022 at 12:49 pm

    Crossing my fingers that the seat brackets (or whatever mounting mechanism) is some industry standard. If the seat really doesn’t fit me I’d rather replace the seat than reject the car.

    RECARO, baby!!

    • Joshua Rosen

      Member
      September 7, 2022 at 7:47 am

      I don’t see how replacing a seat is an option. There is no such thing as an aftermarket seat store as far as I can tell. Buying a seat over the Internet, which seems to be the only way to get them, doesn’t make sense because you can’t test them before you buy them and the whole point of the exercise is to find a comfortable seat which you can’t do from pictures.

      I’ve tried Googling for aftermarket car seats, replacement car seats and just car seats near me. Aftermarket and replacement just gets websites, car seats alone gets baby seats.

      • John Malcom

        Member
        September 7, 2022 at 8:20 am

        How about recaro?

        • Joshua Rosen

          Member
          September 7, 2022 at 9:38 am

          Where would I find one to test and who would install it? As far as I can tell there is no such thing as a seat shop in Massachusetts or New Hampshire. I’m sure they have them in California but that doesn’t help me.

          I hope the seats are better than they look in that video or they’ll offer an option by the time the 600 mile variant is available. Until they have vehicles to test drive in New England I won’t know if the seat is OK or not. Seats are the one thing that you can’t determine from a spec sheet, you have to try them to know if they are comfortable or not.

          • Paul Kirchner

            Member
            September 7, 2022 at 10:37 am

            Usually racetracks have a retail shop somewhere within the compound. If the shop is large enough they’ll have Recaros to sit and sell.

            Not that I’ve been to a large number of tracks but the one’s I’ve tracked on (Sonoma and Laguna Seca) have a shop that’s open during races or event days.

          • Dennis Swaney

            Member
            September 7, 2022 at 12:56 pm

            Joshua, use this link: https://www.recaro-automotive.com/en/services/recaro-store-finder

            Looks like New Jersey is the closest to you:

            STABLE ENERGIES MOTORSPORTS

            175 Passaic Street
            Garfield, NJ, 07026

            Phone: 1-973-773-3177
            Web: http://www.stableenergies.com

            Or maybe Ontario:

            JOHNSTON RESEARCH PERFORMANCE

            2344 South Sheridan Way
            Mississauga, ON CANADA, L5J 2M4

            Phone: 1-905-822-7223
            Web: http://www.jrponline.com

            • This reply was modified 3 weeks, 1 day ago by  Dennis Swaney. Reason: Added Recaro dealers closest to Massachusetts
  • Paul Kirchner

    Member
    September 6, 2022 at 1:21 pm

    They probably travel forward and back on curved mechanism where the seat moves up in relationship to it moving forward toward the yoke.

  • Vernon Sinnott

    Member
    September 6, 2022 at 1:32 pm

    It looks like they don’t go into a reclining position. Also, aren’t they suppose to be heated?

    • John Malcom

      Member
      September 6, 2022 at 2:07 pm

      They can’t recline very far because the back of the seats are so close to the forward edge of the trunk. Heated seats may not make the first production Aptera. Cabin heat will be resistive heating.

  • Pistonboy Delux

    Member
    September 6, 2022 at 5:01 pm

    Where is this video? I checked under NEWS on the Aptera Motors website and I could not find it. The Aptera Motors website should be the ultimate authority.

    The seat moves upward when slid forward? I guess I miss that. I see several people have mentioned that. Is this really to make the seat higher, or to keep the seat level? It looks like the floor is sloping downward as you move forward.

    Seats are important. I had a professor of engineering (University of Illinois) who formerly worked for Porsche. He said there was a test years ago where they had people test drive a car and rate its brakes, steering, ride, and handling. Then they replaced the bench seat with a form fitting bucket seat and harness. They told the people they had changed the brakes, suspension, and other things, and asked the people to test drive the car and rate the same characteristics they did before. They unanimously rated every thing better. In reality, the seat was the only thing that had been changed.

    As I said, seats are important. There are some things on which Aptera may be following their ethos a bit too closely. As time passes, people will forget about efficiency and just think about their back and butt pain.

    • OZ (It’s OZ, Just OZ)

      Member
      September 6, 2022 at 5:11 pm

      PD, go to the main forums page and scroll towards the bottom, it’s under social media highlights.

    • Shaun Saxon

      Member
      September 14, 2022 at 9:30 am

      I installed Recaro (knock-off) seats to replace the bench seat in my (then new) ‘86 Mazda pickup. It drove like a Porsche! 😆

  • Joseph Leto

    Member
    September 13, 2022 at 5:44 pm

    Went to the show this weekend, and saw and sat in the gamma ver Aptera. And yes I am on the list to buy. The only disappointing thing, was the seat… it was very hard and therefore uncomfortable. You wouldn’t think a seat would be that difficult to get right. For me, a comfortable seat is important, and potentially a “deal breaker” if not corrected.’

  • Paul Kirchner

    Member
    September 13, 2022 at 5:47 pm

    Hard. Is that it? Too narrow for your body? Not enough thigh support? Too much thigh support? Not enough lumbar?

  • John Voules

    Member
    September 13, 2022 at 6:24 pm

    It truly is hard to realize how good the seat is unless you are able to adjust it. To come out and say bad seats doesn’t tell anyone anything. I could see if you had adjusted them to the best of what works for you and then maybe drive for an hour…then I would be willing to listen to what specific issues you may have.

    Respectfully

  • Qiang Fu

    Member
    September 13, 2022 at 7:21 pm

    Joseph, before you decide to abandon your reservation, you may want to see whether any after-market car seat cushion, lumbar support, etc, that may mitigate your concern.

    For me, the big concern for the seat is that it may sit too low. I am 5’7″ and I am used to drive the van with my legs in a normal chair position, which I find more comfortable for long distance drive than in a sedan. I think most likely I will add a cushion to sit higher in the Aptera.

    • Curtis Cibinel

      Member
      September 13, 2022 at 7:26 pm

      I’m also 5’7 and plan to raise the seats up with spacers and longer bolts. This is primarily for a better view of the road and ease of entry. This also gives extra under seat storage for first aid kit and tools.

      This shows a big fit getting in alpha and gamma and largely validates the claims someone 6’8″ would be ok.

      https://youtu.be/vTosWSHBvRI

      • Qiang Fu

        Member
        September 13, 2022 at 7:29 pm

        Please post a video when you work on the spacer/bolt solution, and I will copy. 😀

    • Dennis Swaney

      Member
      September 13, 2022 at 7:26 pm

      Remember that as you adjust the seat forward it will rise up.

      • Qiang Fu

        Member
        September 13, 2022 at 7:31 pm

        Right, would have to wait and see by how much

  • Rashid Clark

    Member
    September 13, 2022 at 8:21 pm

    Last time I owned a car, I just left a pillow in the driver’s seat to sit on.

    I agree that better seats are desirable. The reasoning they gave is that cushy seats add weight, and they’re optimizing for efficiency. Although I would rather take the efficiency hit for comfortable seats. But since that’s not happening, a pillow might do.

  • P Y

    Member
    September 13, 2022 at 8:40 pm

    Hmm… thanks for the post. I have also been concerned about the seats. They look spiffy but they never looked that comfortable.

    Maybe after market pad and lumbar thing might help.

    This may actually impact which model I select. Like if I can’t sit for hours then I’m not I’d opt for the longer distance and pay the extra $$. Dang. Wish I could have been able to try.

    • Arturo Meza

      Member
      September 13, 2022 at 9:38 pm

      Luckily for me, I only drive less than 30 min at a time. Just planning on using it for city driving from home to work, most of the time, so won’t be an issue for me. Chris Anthony said that the seats can be adjusted back/forth and up/down, like regular seats. They don’t look that comfortable to me either, but not a deal breaker. Can get seat cushions if I need it.

  • Steven G. Bueche

    Member
    September 14, 2022 at 3:24 am

    I have not sat in the Gamma but I have sat on hard seats in other vehicles.

    As Chris is so apt to saying, This feels like a sporty ride.

    Hard seats and sporty rides do not go hand in hand.

    Hard seats do not soften over time and are uncomfortable on long trips.

    I would not intend to pay $30K for the chance to change the seats.

    I will have to take a test ride for any purchase if this is the case. I’m like many who is older and therefor need a comfortable seat. How can you sell a car with extended range and not expect the seats to be more forgiving?

    Are there others who have sat in Gamma who can shed more light on this subject?

    • Ray Holan

      Moderator
      September 14, 2022 at 6:43 am

      Judging seat comfort is very subjective. I find the seats in my Hyundai Ioniq hybrid comfortable. My wife thinks they are too hard. As has been mentioned in this seat thread, there are many aftermarket pads that can be added. Is that annoying when you’re spending lots of $$ on an Aptera? Yes, but it seems like a workable compromise to me. Not a perfect world.

    • Dan Kerpe

      Member
      September 14, 2022 at 9:21 am

      My experience has been almost exactly opposite. The factory Recaro seats in my car were hard as a rock when new. After a month or so of driving, it definitely “broke in” and became super comfortable. Every now and then if I sit in the passenger seat, I get reminded just how hard they are when new. The funny thing is that they completely fixed my back pain because they force you to sit with good posture.

  • Kevin Bradbury

    Member
    September 14, 2022 at 8:51 am

    I’m not a seat engineer, butt I do have a thought on the issue. I think it has more to do with weight distribution and angle than it has to do with softness. I have sat on some very comfortable wooden chairs for extended periods of time without issue and conversely on some very uncomfortable plush chairs.

    Unfortunately, our proxies who were able to attend the reveal, were not
    allowed to make any adjustments and cannot give us their decisive opinion
    as to the Aptera’s seat comfort.

  • Joseph Leto

    Member
    September 17, 2022 at 6:23 pm

    All I know, is how it felt. And it was just not a comfortable seat to sit in/on. Am not sure if there was an up/down or front back adjustment… didn’t get that far. There of course, needs to be. I hope by the time of “real” production there will be a reasonably comfortable and adjustable seat.

  • Paula Egan

    Member
    September 21, 2022 at 4:07 pm

    I was able to sit in the Gamma at the San Diego event and found the seat comfortable for the 15 to 20 seconds I was in it, but I wonder if anyone knows if the back of the seat is adjustable? It was too reclined for me and hope it is adjustable.

    edit: I just saw Arturo Meza’s comment…of course the seats are adjustable. I am leaving my post just so people can assess the space and such. I am 5’3″ and weigh a bit over 200lb.

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