In wheel motor info and issues

[joetoole]

Its a valid point I think. I found this post because I have the same concern. Especially considering some of the answers here ‘Maybe the thieves wont know there is a motor in the wheel’ and ‘You should move house’.

Catalytic converter theft is rampant here in Europe. They jack the car and use powered cutting tools to remove the chunk of exhaust. Trying to think of solutions I would like to see (some suggested above)..

1) Make the wheel motor worthless if removed. Yes – I think the parts will still be worth something though even if there is some sort of software/firmware lock.

2) Alarm. Yes it would help

3) Make it hard to cut. An exhaust is easy to cut.

4) Make the front axel retractable : ) Probably not viable, nice feature though? compact parking/storage/meeting something on a narrow lane

It will be interesting to see if/how they address the concern

[mark-salyzyn]

The Elaphe site is focussed on partnership, and not individual customers, I could not find a support channel with downloadable Service Manuals.

Deep searches, and downloads, were completely unrelated, or junk. For instance apparently Mitsubishi uses some of the same designations in their Meldar line of servo controllers.

Does anyone have, or know where to get, a service or engineering manual for the Elaphe motors and control electronics? Any model will do, their in-service equipment will undoubtedly have similar repair and maintenance issues, and I can extrapolate from there.

[abraham-hanna]

https://in-wheel.com/en/solutions-2/direct-drive-in-wheel-motors/https://in-wheel.com/en/solutions-2/direct-drive-in-wheel-motors/

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[vernon-sinnott]

Elaphe stated they are adapting an in wheel motor especially for Aptera but I am certain it’s am M700.

[Lane-Costilow]

During the factory tour, Mr Anthony pointed out the Elaphe motor set out for display as being the final version for production:

[ROMAD]

Anyone know the lug spacing? It is obviously 5x?

[anoop-patel]

Are the hub motors optimized to run at certain speeds/rpm? In the AWD variant, was it ever considered to put low rpm optimized motors up front and one high rpm optimized motor in the rear? All the effort put into lowering wind resistance only comes into play at high speed. Range on the other hand seems to be ideal in stop and go (low speed) environments where there really isn’t much benefit to the aerodynamic design. Having one motor most efficient running at 65mph would seem to have real benefits extending range for highway driving.

I guess a better question to start with is whether all three motors are identical. Would be great from a logistics and manufacturing perspective and any motor could be swapped with another. If they are all different then I could see the benefits of optimizing the motors for different speeds.

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[SteveW]

From the videos I have seen by Aptera Owners Club it appears that the sweet spot for the motors is highway speeds.

[Greek]

Steve Wanamaker…highway speed is when APTERA truly takes advantage of its aerodynamics. I am hoping that mph of 70 will give great return and not significantly deplete battery to be close to their maximum stated range.

[The-Doctor]

Have in-wheel motors gone mainstream? If so, the cost of the production Aptera’s motors should go down, either reducing the price of the vehicle or increasing profitability (keeping Aptera in business). A review of the Hyundai’s e-Corner System / Crab Driving:

https://www.inceptivemind.com/hyundai-e-corner-system-changes-way-turn-park-pivot/33531/

[joey-l]

Sandy Munro made a statement in a recent podcast (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGk2v9K5pJE&t=1517s) saying that Aptera moved away from in-wheel motors. Did he mispoke, confused, or is there any validity to it?

Edit: It’s 25:17 into the video since the embedded video doesn’t take you to that segment.

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[cm-de-hond]

I noticed this statement as well.

Replayed it a few time and made the same conclusion…

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[joey-l]

Yeah, that was my hope with this post… to get an official statement from Aptera because rumors, theories and all manner of speculation can fly in chaotic directions if it isn’t addressed.

[Chris]

Sandy misspoke. We are still using Elaphe hub motors. If there was ever a vehicle change for any reason, we’d announce it to all our reservation holders. 🙂

[former_fan]

how many motors do you have on site already? are you going to show us preparations for building out the Delta models? I would like to see evidence you have the rest of the components available to deliver these as promised by end of year. Sandy’s claim is you are unable to get the motors.

the background of your recent video looked as unprepared as ever for any work. you didn’t even show off more than one panel. surely you have stock since October when you were in production

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[ROMAD]

DFTT, Chris, DFTT.

[john-malcom]

👍 Thought so!!!!