Manufacturing plansPosted by david-smith-2 on August 10, 2021 at 10:44 am
I would love to learn more about what’s going on with the change of manufacturing facilities, why the change is happening, and what this means for overall delivery schedules. If there’s a new article/release out there that explains, please leave a link for me to follow.
MemberAugust 10, 2021 at 4:13 pm
there is no “Change” in manufacturing facilities. Aptera is “Looking” for a manufacturing facility. The facility they are currently in is their development facility where they are advancing their prototypes. It is a development facility
MemberAugust 10, 2021 at 5:07 pm
can anyone out there tell me when cars will start to be delivered ?
its like pulling teeth to get any sort of idea on projected delivery dates …….
MemberAugust 11, 2021 at 1:57 am
In the 2021 Annual Report, it says on page 19:
• Deliver a vehicle to a customer by the end of the year.
• Then build out our facilities and ramp up production accordingly in 2022.
It is interesting they say “a customer”.
This report can be accessed from their website.
If I remember correctly, they found their development facility in a location which had ample room they could expand into for manufacturing. Apparently they decided to not use the potential manufacturing space, and instead look elsewhere.
ModeratorAugust 11, 2021 at 4:21 am
If you look at the location of their current office/development facility, there’s no way that could be a manufacturing location – way too small. Even at the low end of 10K vehicles per year produced, it would mean just the parking lot outside to hold the vehicles to be shipped needs to probably accommodate at least 100 vehicles (less than a week of production).
MemberAugust 13, 2021 at 2:42 pm
So by this time (8/13/21) the first stage of the manufacturing facility could be set up already? Wouldn’t it be cool if a few shots of that set up could be shown. ????
ModeratorOctober 24, 2021 at 12:30 pm
As much as I would also like to see signs of manufacturing progress, with the hand assembly process we’ve heard about, I’m not sure how one would judge much before cars are actually moving through. (gamma’s?) No giga (or even mini) presses, stampers, fancy robots, paint dips, etc. Patience, I guess, (although I have often felt patience was overrated.)
MemberNovember 4, 2021 at 6:58 pm
“As our supply chain becomes more established, we’ll ramp to 250 per month, and eventually reach our target of producing 40 vehicles per day.”
— Pablo Ucar, Vice President of Production and Procurement
In very round numbers 250/month is about 10/day & 3,000/year
In very round numbers 40/day is 10,000/year or 833/month
Above are totally realistic, but the bigger question is when will they become reality.
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MemberNovember 5, 2021 at 10:22 am
Back on topic – According to Aptera there are 3 facilities – This main final assembly location, and two others for Betas/R&D, Solar, and Composite manufacturing. Two in Carlsbad and one in North San Diego.
This makes a lot of sense to me – Prebuild parts nearby then assemble them there. This is so exciting!!!
ModeratorNovember 5, 2021 at 2:11 pm
Your point is well taken, Peter. Yes, I’ve hear of these separate facilities for the components you describe. That is not the same thing as having 3 self-contained manufacturing locations — each capable of independently producing X number of Apterae per month.
MemberDecember 15, 2021 at 8:35 pm
I would love a progress update from Aptera …. but I am sure they are all busy with Beta builds and product development and the new factory etc etc.
MemberAugust 3, 2022 at 9:11 am
Aptera Owners Club made a good video on this article. Still tons of unknowns and unclear statements but LFP will be a good path forward for Aptera eventually. The 600 mile should be viable using existing off the shelf cells (with EVE 280K it is less weight/volume than 2170s for the 1000 mile). I don’t understand the need for new co-development but I suspect this company is more a production partner than a battery research company and some things are being lost in translation.
AdministratorAugust 3, 2022 at 12:07 pm
Hi there! Please allow us to clarify — Our initial plans to begin production in Carlsbad, CA have not changed. Thank you for your support and patience while we lead the solar mobility movement!
MemberAugust 3, 2022 at 5:24 pm
Another article I found that may get more insight into the production plan in Taiwan:
Translating a few key sentences:
1. There are three parties in this cooperation memorandum: Aptera, Formosa AdvEnergy, and autoSmart (another Taiwan company)
2. Formosa AdvEnergy and Aptera will cooperating in developing the LFP for autos, expected to start supplying to Aptera in 2024
3. Autosmart will develop plan for Aptera’s operation in Asia, which could include (to be exact, the language is “not excluding”) setting up assembly line in Taiwan.
I assume the assembly lines in Taiwan is for customers in Asia given Autosmart’s scope in this memorandum.
In the article, Chris also mentioned the 4 wheel Aptera is planned in 2024-2025, and plan to set up 9 assembly lines throughout the world by 2028. I am not holding my breath for these projected timelines given how long we have been waiting for the gamma.
MemberAugust 3, 2022 at 5:43 pm
Two new pieces of information from:
1. Cooperation will focus on LFP, EMS (?”energy management system”?), and safety
2. The cooperation does NOT include investment.
I am a bit disappointed at the second one. Hope they are still negotiating that possibility.
MemberAugust 3, 2022 at 6:58 pm
Besides many things we already covered, this article mentions that in the next phase, not excluding cross-investing and cross-holding the shares (among Aptera, AdvEnergy, Autosmart) to deepening the cooperation:
There are also three universities in Taiwan involved in the R&D.
MemberSeptember 16, 2022 at 5:25 pm
Some of the recent videos have info indicating that a lot of things have some issues to resolved. There was one statement that the first delivered Aptera will come before crash testing even begins?
They have indicated that they want to make the first delivery this year, in the spring that was going to be a production unit, in mid summer it was going to be a Delta after crash testing had been done, Now?
MemberSeptember 16, 2022 at 6:43 pm
Sounds like it. I did also hear that crash test will be done in Q1 so my guess is that the first delivery will have to be in Q1 at the earliest.
Frankly I was a little down that the gamma release did not come with a release of test data. Showing interior and exterior designs are nice but showing the prototype can achieve the expected technical spec (efficiency, solar output, charging speed, zero to sixty, etc) will be reassuring. I am hoping they are test-driving the gamma and collect these information, otherwise, gamma is just a design mule.
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MemberSeptember 21, 2022 at 12:49 pm
The original stated production order for the various model was stated at least as far back as the first day of reservations (12/4/20) on a FaceBook Video chat. It was:
During the busy week of the Fully Charged show, at a factory tour before hand, it was recorded during an unscripted battery brief as being 400-600-250-1,000, it appeared to go unnoticed at the time, but was picked up by intrepid viewers of the video. Since then it has been making the rounds here and elsewhere as the new order, with various opinions offered as to why it was changed. As it seemed an unusual change, that had not been formally announced I inquired. The response from Aptera follows:
“Thanks for asking about this! It was misspoken, our apologies! The planned order at this time is still 400, 250, 600 and then 1,000. Please let me know if we can be of any further assistance!
Driving solar mobility forward,
Community Success Associate”
The production order, at this time, remains:
MemberNovember 18, 2022 at 5:55 pm
The hatch just makes no sense. The opening shown is similar to the gamma and has no notched depression for the elongated hatch glass shown later. The transition at at roughly 1:50. Either the rear of the body needs to be different (which is supported by the parts shots shown related to CPC) or the hatch wont reach to the end of the car. I quite like the look of the hatch going to the end of the car but it may be far more prone to damage.
MemberNovember 18, 2022 at 6:02 pm
The longer hatch seems to match up better with what will be produced by C.P.C.
Then I tried counting the solar cells on both the hatches to see if they match up, I don’t believe they do.
At the end…I think APTERA doesn’t want us to see the complete picture until the Delta is revealed.
MemberNovember 18, 2022 at 6:55 pm
Unclear in that assembly process where the discussed exterior wraps will be manually installed onto the exterior body pieces. Perhaps wrapping would occur as additional (just currently un-labeled) steps at final station 13+. Or perhaps it implies that wrapping would be done on each individual piece prior to assembly. TBD.
MemberNovember 18, 2022 at 7:17 pm
Originally mentioned the completed APTERA will take 2 hours. Hand wrapping is not a quick process. Towards the end of the rendition, it showed the vehicles exiting facility towards a loaded truck. I would think they would have been driven off to a parking area.
MemberNovember 18, 2022 at 8:41 pm
I find it interesting that fluid filling occurs at station 12, but the belly pan (which contains fluid) appears to be added at the following station (station 13). The belly pan is also mentioned at station 1.
I know, it is only cgi. But the build functions performed at each station has already been determined.
It is very futuristic that each station is controlled by equipment which is accessed by a hand print.
MemberDecember 29, 2022 at 1:59 pm
If I recall correctly, the solar panels are being manufactured at the rate of about 10 a day. Makes sense at this point because they don’t have any cars to put them on. How about when they are assembling 40-80 cars a day? Does anyone have any idea how they plan to spit out 4 panels per car times 80 cars per day, or 320 panels, from their solar panel assembly plant?
MemberDecember 29, 2022 at 2:07 pm
That 10 panels a day is for their pilot plant. They are building (or have built) a facility that will have a much higher production rate.
I would imagine that they will not bring the mass production on-line until it is needed, about the time that the vehicles go into mass production. Until that time I am sure that they will be doing all the production they can in the pilot plant, learning all of the pitfalls and tricks of production that they can to incorporate into the mass production.