Off Road package info

Aptera Community Aptera Discussions Off Road package info

Aptera Community Aptera Discussions Off Road package info

  • Off Road package info

     Richard Marks updated 5 months, 1 week ago 34 Members · 54 Posts
  • Richard Marks

    Member
    August 14, 2021 at 10:41 am

    Does the Off Road option decrease range?

    • This discussion was modified 4 months, 2 weeks ago by  John Trotter. Reason: Title expanded for search clarity
  • Len Nowak

    Moderator
    August 14, 2021 at 12:10 pm

    We don’t know yet, weight and what all will be offered. We heard the AWD could be a 10% hit

    • GLENN ZAJIC

      Member
      August 14, 2021 at 1:36 pm

      The more drag the less efficient. The more weight the less efficient. The more speed the less efficient. 10% hit for AWD 20% increase in fun!!

    • Joshua Rosen

      Member
      August 16, 2021 at 7:20 am

      Where did they say that AWD will be 10% less efficient? It could be more efficient, with the three motor system 98% of the time it will be using the single rear motor only. You only need all three motors when getting out of the snow or when flooring it, when you are cruising along a single motor is sufficient.

      • Len Nowak

        Moderator
        August 16, 2021 at 8:59 am

        Chris mention the hit in a video.

        • George Hughes

          Member
          August 17, 2021 at 10:32 am

          Sure did, but my recollection of the remark was that the 10 percent decline for adding the rear motor was a first-blush decline in efficiency before, say, power shifting or other approaches to boost efficiency were tried. I.e. with some optimization, the hit for the third motor could be like 3-5 percent.

          It is kind of like adding a fourth wheel; the shorthand estimate of the increase in drag and rolling resistance would be 25 % but by placement of the wheel and other strategies, the hit might be as much as 10% lower because of other design efficiencies.

      • Gabriel Kemeny

        Moderator
        August 16, 2021 at 11:17 am

        The addition of the weight alone (for the third motor) will make it less efficient – I think it was noted somewhere that consumption/efficiency drops by 1% for every 30lbs of weight.

  • Morris Wilder

    Member
    August 16, 2021 at 5:18 pm

    I’m thinking about adding the off road option. Does anyone know what the ground clearance will be from the bottom of the wheel cover to the ground after the option?

    • Len Nowak

      Moderator
      August 16, 2021 at 6:58 pm

      This has been answered already…

      Since the std GC is 5” at bottom of the wheel covers and the belly is 9”. They hope to realize 2” additional to this GC, BUT until they do it there is no spec.

  • Richard Marks

    Member
    September 30, 2021 at 7:17 pm

    Still haven’t seen whether the off road option decreases driving range.

    • Len Nowak

      Moderator
      September 30, 2021 at 7:51 pm

      It depends what is included and “what all that” weighs

      We have read about a a 1% range hit for ever 30#…

      Time will tell.. Hopefully in one of the remaining development vehicles… they will outfit one?

      You don’t have to commit to that kit until your order come due…

    • Harry Parker

      Moderator
      September 30, 2021 at 8:29 pm

      Well, yes, the off-road option is sure to reduce the range.

      More of the tires will be exposed for one thing. Those wheel skirts are there to reduce drag, so less wheel skirt means more drag, leading to less range.

      What we don’t know: By how much?

      Until they decide on, test and reveal their simulated wind tunnel tested off-road design, we won’t know.

  • DON RASKY

    Member
    November 18, 2021 at 12:11 pm

    I would like to use the Aptera to explore the many fire roads that lead to campsites in Southern California. I would also like to travel regardless of weather be it rain or snow. Given these interests, I am curious how much of a loss in range I will incur by adding a rear wheel motor and/or the off-road package. I LOVE THE APTERA CONCEPT. I just want to get my order right.

  • Curtis Cibinel

    Member
    November 18, 2021 at 12:24 pm

    The rough estimate is 10% for AWD and 10% for off-road. Cabin heating would also cut into this as will being nice to the battery (trying to stay in the 20-80% range most of the time). As I similarly will use these packages and drive in winter I simply take the range in miles and assume it will be my real world range in km (for me the 400 mile/km version is still good).

  • Len Nowak

    Moderator
    November 18, 2021 at 12:32 pm

    Oh I only read “ figure about 10% hit for AWD

    in the FAQ spreadsheet

    Since we don’t knowc what all is in the off road kit and weight, hopefully a much smaller range hit at slower off road speeds unless there are lots of greater than 6% inclines to deal with

  • Paul Kirchner

    Member
    November 18, 2021 at 1:51 pm

    Not to derail the topic but honestly, what do you think Aptera means by off-road? It’s gotta be a huge stretch of the concept of off-road to put a vehicle like Aptera into it. I’m thinking off-road in an Aptera to be a mildly convoluted gravel road, certainly nothing like a proper 4×4 would call off-roading.

    • Lou Verner

      Member
      November 18, 2021 at 2:27 pm

      That was my interpretation Paul and it’s for those mild to maybe moderately convoluted gravel roads on grade that I’ll be encountering in WNC that I ordered the off-road package. That extra couple of inches of clearance and toughened wheel covers will hopefully help.

    • Peter Jorgensen

      Member
      November 18, 2021 at 3:03 pm

      My interpretation of intent:

      Standard Aptera: Goes anywhere a Honda Civic can.

      Off-road Aptera: Goes anywhere a Subaru Outback Wilderness goes. (9.5″ ground clearance and AWD with chunky tires. Will handle most moderate to easy trails but nothing hardcore) They said verbally in the FAQ I believe it was to enable the Aptera to get off the beaten path to places you normally don’t see most EVs.

      Bear in mind, the unprotected belly is vulnerable to rock damage if you high-center it. Other than that it should be a lot better than most of the EVs on the market now short of a Rivian.

  • DON RASKY

    Member
    November 23, 2021 at 12:09 pm

    I understand that with the off road package that the Aptera gets a slight lift to 9″ and more sturdy wheel covers. Does anyone know if the suspension gets any beefier or if it might increase the load bearing capacity of the Aptera? If it’s just the lift kit and the more sturdy wheel covers, not sure it will really help me much with local potholes, rough country fire roads, and the occasional visit to snow country.

  • Peter Jorgensen

    Member
    November 23, 2021 at 1:22 pm

    Not sure. The beta suspension uses coilovers so it may be just raising the coilovers all the way up and swapping out the wheel pants to tougher ones with more clearance.

    Here are some fan renders of possible ideas of what that might look like.

  • Joshua Caldwell

    Member
    November 24, 2021 at 6:26 am

    I’m doing the off road version thanks to my employer, we park in a dirt lot that keeps getting huge potholes and our employer rarely grades it flat again, only twice in 5 years that I can recall that happening. (by huge, the potholes get nearly car sized over the years, going down a foot or more, and fills with water, so if you don’t know it’s there, you have a problem getting out of the mud hole)

  • John Trotter

    Moderator
    November 28, 2021 at 7:11 pm

    I selected the off-road package even though it is a bit of a pig-in-the-poke until the details are disclosed. I am only interested because it seems an inexpensive way to have a bit more flexibility in where we could drive. Not for rock climbing, such as is best done in purpose-built machines.

    What would I specifically value?

    – Increased bottom clearance. I doubt there would be the inefficiency hit from having more under-body space as there is with flat-bottom cars. (Remember, Aptera moves the wheel shape away from the body in part to improve aerodynamics.) Weight is already pretty low, thanks to batteries.

    – Skid plate. The right-to-repair video pointed out that there are electrical components down there that might warrant extra protection. I can imagine dragging composite over sharp rocks (or curbs or driveways) is not a good idea.

    – Smaller front wheel pants. Increase ground clearance and make tougher. Somehow.

    – Rear wheel stanchion. Harden leading edge and increase ground clearance.

    – Adjustable suspension? These were expensive systems in two of my prior cars (Audi and Jeep) and I’m not sure the Aptera benefit of the complexity. Maybe.

    – Better lighting? Not a light-bar exactly, but a better-than-standard array.

    – Of course, I can’t imagine off-road without also AWD.

    Something else?

  • Ron Ledohowski

    Member
    November 30, 2021 at 9:40 pm

    I thought it was more fender related (higher clearance & stronger construction) than an actual body lift or suspension change.

    Does someone have video &/or detail to point me to that further distinguishes between?

    I ordered the off road package on both of ours (his & hers) and perhaps I misunderstood what it comes with in that regard. Maybe I missed something or there’s further clarification.

    Thank you in advance.

    Much Appreciated.

    • Harry Parker

      Moderator
      December 1, 2021 at 7:29 am

      Last I heard, they have yet to complete the design of their off-road version.

      They have yet to complete a build of a Beta prototype to test their brand new standard suspension. Off-road design completion is probably waiting until after they see how well their standard suspension works on rough roads.

  • Dale burchfield Burchfield

    Member
    January 9, 2022 at 1:32 pm

    I picked it hoping for better winter performance, but mainly I hope I will sit a little higher up. helping getting in and out

  • Leaver

    Member
    January 9, 2022 at 4:31 pm

    I too have the off-road package ordered with AWD in the hopes for more ground clearance (and not just more clearance on the wheel pants). I live in remote Alaska, where most local “roads” are dirt and gravel, and, as I write, we have 5 feet of snow on the ground with more falling. So yeah… I need every bit of extra clearance I can get. Fingers crossed that the off-road package will be less aesthetic and more practical.

    • John Malcom

      Member
      January 9, 2022 at 6:55 pm

      Wow, that will be a challenging user test for the Aptera!

  • Guy SKEER

    Member
    January 20, 2022 at 6:49 am

    While I have spent a fair amount of Time Driving Off-Road, I am not thinking that this Vehicle is well suited for Much more than Easy stuff.

    Any Situation where wheel ruts are deep for Bog-Standard 4X4s, The Aluminum Underbelly is at risk on the APTERA. Deep Snow driving risks “High Centering the Underbelly,or giving it a scrub.

    Even My Driveway here in the Glorious NorthBest poses a problem, at least until I have negotiated it enough times to Wear off the Moss in the Center of the Lane.

    Maybe a better Nomenclature would be “Traction Limited” or “Sport” model?

  • Len Nowak

    Moderator
    January 20, 2022 at 7:54 am

    I don’t think they ever intended as a 3-WD All- terrain vehicle…

    I live off primitive roads ( which are graded regularly ) which is why I have Off Road “ kit “✔️ but I am not sure I really need it yet.

    I sure want the std fairings over the wheel for the majority of my paved road driving

    I need to understand range loss for the Off road option etc

    I am ok with ~ 10% range loss for AWD “if” that becomes reality

    The paved roads in the big city down here in the SW have more potholes😔

  • Joshua Rosen

    Member
    January 20, 2022 at 8:03 am

    Pot holes are going to be the big problem with this vehicle because you won’t be able to steer around them, if you avoid them with the front tires you’ll hit them with the rear tire. I hope they’ve taken this in mind when designing the rear suspension.

  • Jason Best

    Member
    January 20, 2022 at 9:10 am

    Can someone point out an official source of what is meant by “off-road” option for an Aptera? I’ve done a few searches and the only results point to Community discussions. Also, when I go to my reservation order and try to modify it, I don’t see any off-road option.

    Edit: I found the link to the FAQ Spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11Of3g6RYqstbXecs7j2UHHd_b8s5MebxEs-ZwkyMiiQ/edit?usp=sharing) which has some questions and responses about the off-road options but it’s not clear who provided the responses. But it does seem that “off-road” is not a settled feature or spec but likely a combination of suspension modifications/adjustabililty and modification of the wheel fairings for greater clearance. I still haven’t found anything that I’d consider official.

    • This reply was modified 10 months, 1 week ago by  Jason Best. Reason: Adding FAQ URL and comments
    • Scott

      Member
      January 20, 2022 at 11:04 am

      Jason, this is generally referring to the “All-Wheel Drive System” option and also the “Off-Road Kit” upgrade option, depending upon which aspect of “off-road” capability you are referring to (all wheel traction and/or increased clearance + stronger wheel covers).

    • David LeDane

      Member
      January 20, 2022 at 12:12 pm

      Jason,

      At the bottom of where you are viewing and editing your reservation is another button that says “save and continue”. When you click this button it shows you the other options- safety pilot, enhanced audio, camping kit, pet kit , and off road . Hope this helps

    • G Johns

      Member
      January 25, 2022 at 10:41 am

      Mr. Rosen,

      Here in the more moderate temperature south east I have yet to see a pothole. Road debris yes, but no potholes. I’m only interested in the off road package because it may have higher ground clearance and I have always liked the way that looks for a vehicle. Always been partial to pick up trucks because of the higher clearance. If it’s going to cost me a 10% or more hit in efficency then I might not order it. But if the ground clearance is adjustable manually or automatic then it’s a definite must have. Regardless I will never be going off road more than a grassy parking lot.

  • Jason Best

    Member
    January 20, 2022 at 3:01 pm

    OK, got it now. Thanks Scott and David. I didn’t click on the Save and Continue because I thought I had seen all the options. I added the Off-Road kit for $1000 but I do hope that there will be the option to have a second set of regular wheel covers for daily driving. Truthfully I probably would be able to handle the gravel roads I anticipate with only the stock suspension and covers but I’ll update my order once some of you earlier guinea pigs report back!

  • Bojan Majdandzic

    Member
    January 25, 2022 at 6:54 am

    On asking Aptera about the off-road kit I got this answer:

    The off-road package will have at least a 7″ clearance. However, this may change as we continue to test. We will be releasing more figures on our off-roading capability in the future as we do. The kit comes with a different style of wheel pants that are configurable for off-road and the body of the vehicle is raised, as well as the wheel covers to guard against curb and rock damage.
    Raising the wheel pants a bit gives you a little tougher stance and we’re still working on suspension mods, but there may also be ways to lock out the rear and raise and lower the suspension, and we’ll get to that over time. The suspension MAY be adjustable for the off-road kit, but please stay tuned.

  • Byron Dieckman

    Member
    January 25, 2022 at 12:30 pm

    Guy, My primary interest in selecting the “off-Road” configuration is entry and exit height. At 78 I’m no longer looking forward to crawling out of another low-clearance sleek ego enhancer. Regardless of the ultimate off-road utility of the capability, the option to have more entry height is a good option for us old farts.

  • David Stevens

    Member
    March 31, 2022 at 5:36 am

    Does anyone know how much more ground clearance will be provided by the off-road kit? Also, how will the lift be accomplished? Are there any mock-ups I can look at to see how it might look? I like the idea of tougher wheel covers, and a bit more room underneath would be great for the snowy winters where I live. I also have speed bumps on my commute and the occasional gravel road to visit family. I’m not sure I will like the look of the taller version; however, I don’t want to be grinding off the wheel covers and under belly of the street model. Will I need the off-road version for the aforementioned road conditions? Please point me to any information that might be available. Thank you.

  • Peter Jorgensen

    Member
    March 31, 2022 at 11:05 am

    Here’s what I imagine Aptera making – and what I imagine some owners might do to modify the Aptera (Sand dune and rocky road picture). Basically just more wheel exposure from Aptera. The tent picture is the only one actually from Aptera as far as I know… And that’s an early idea they had. From what I understand they’ll shift effort to this once production is started.

  • George Hughes

    Member
    April 21, 2022 at 11:25 pm

    I’m getting a little out there with this one … I sometimes do that and enjoy the exercise, sometimes for the humor. Some folks call it thinking out of the box.

    One thing that was briefly mentioned early on was Aptera’s ability to float, though no one thinks that is a good idea straight out. But that presumes ‘street’ tires.

    It blows the efficiency all to hell, but if you removed the pants and mounted special light-weight balloon tire on something like 35″ rim, if you can figure out how to do the same at the rear, you would have the makings of a real cool water craft.

    BTW: I don’t figure the big problem would be the that the Aptera, now pitched up in the front with large ‘floating’ tires would be liable to sink butt first but rather the problem is sitting in the driver’s seat the only thing you see out the windshield is sky. That is sub-optimal … I’m thinking some kind of hydrofoil apparatus could even be attached to the rear which would, once you gained relatively complete the picture of what folks will call a skeeter ’cause it moves on the water like a water bug.

    On a calm lake it would be a terror at least in part because the massive wheels would be mathematically capable of great speed.

    I would also suspect the wheels and tires, because of Aptera’s light weight, could also be lighter than similar tires on other large four wheelers.

    It is really a crazy idea to try t o adapt Aptera t o this use … but if you ‘redesigned the tub’ for paddle-wheel locomotion … but that is just a different product altogether and ought to be designed as such.

    So while adapting Aptera to that use is almost certainly impractical at least for the three-wheeled version but the thought is kind of inspiring.

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