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Order of ManufacturingPosted by Greek on November 19, 2021 at 9:02 pm
Has Aptera decided on production order…based on battery pack size or any other possible
variable?John Voules replied 6 months ago 19 Members · 43 Replies
Order of ManufacturingJohn Voules updated 6 months ago 19 Members · 43 Replies
RileyMemberNovember 19, 2021 at 9:21 pm
Thus far they stated in this order 400, 600, 250 and 1,000. I don’t recall them mentioning any other metrics for build order. Some time early next year aptera will release more information on what configurations will be built first.
GreekMemberNovember 19, 2021 at 9:39 pm
Thx Riley…I guess my next thoughts are many of us that would like the vehicle as soon as possible may change our original battery request to accommodate an earlier build. Especially if we are already purchasing a second Aptera. At just under 7,000 reservation number for a 1,000 mile battery pack it looks like I would definitely go into 2023 production cycle. Aptera’s marketing strategy is to advertise for 1,000 range, it would make more sense to produce those vehicles fist vehicles with that range capability. This would also add greater revenue right off to bat. A strategy that seems most electric manufacturers are doing. Do we know why they are going away from this strategy?
RileyMemberNovember 19, 2021 at 10:22 pm
I believe it was mentioned in a video that the reason for the 400 mile range was that it provides for an increase of profits over the 250 mile range. As for the 600 and 1,000 mile range they are still working on the capability of cramming that much battery into such a compact car. When you configure the Aptera it shows it as a modular system that just adds more modules to increase range but thats incorrect. Each battery pack has to be custom built to fit into the complicated geometry of the Apteras belly.
george-hughesMemberNovember 19, 2021 at 11:15 pm
It is not necessarily the the time for the 1000 mile batteries considering the battery shortage and the imperative to get the most sensible Aptera out there on the road.
I say most sensible in reference to battery size. First of all, assuming a relatively restricted battery supply (aka: the market) the initial production run in terms of vehicles is 2.5 to 1 … i.e. for every two 1000-mile units possible with the supply, you could put five 400-mile Apterea on the road.
If cars on the road is going to sell the car, then the strategy that puts the most cars on the road is the best. The reason the 200-mile version was not chosen is that 200 miles of range is common while even 400 miles of range promises to be a top tier range figure for some time.
And be certain the 400-mile version is more than capable of meeting the needs of literally 99.9 percent of the people 99.9 percent of the time.
LouMemberNovember 20, 2021 at 1:43 am
Hi Riley, I know this question about build order has come up several times before and I don’t recall that anyone has provided such a definitive answer before. Could you please reference where the company has stated such? Also love to know where they talked about problem with battery pack logistics. Thanks!
lenModeratorNovember 20, 2021 at 6:23 am
And there are also the earliest sold “limited edition Paradigm to fill early???”
A limited number of special edition Paradigm and Paradigm+ models will be offered, or you can choose to customize the Aptera that’s right for you.
220 Paradigm Edition ( 40kWh) 1st production
110 Paradigm Plus ( 100kWh) 4th production
All were a special price and prepackaged with
Not sure what the “4th Production” meant? Unless it meant ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2nd 25 kWh
Plus applying everyone’s earned production priority ( from reservation number and if they earned a priority place by their investment level )
GreekMemberNovember 21, 2021 at 5:36 pm
Thank you to all that have replied to my original post. One of Aptera’s main selling points was its ultimate range, this was at the forefront along with solar charging that drew me to this vehicle. I have always seen new vehicles come to market with their top teared model. My original interest for ordering and then investing was based on the 1,000 mile premise. This is what differentiated this vehicle for me, as I plan on using it for cross country trips during my retirement. In addition once the vehicle is seen on the road…I always get asked in my i3 how many miles do I get..if my response is 1,000 and it costs this much but you can get one with lesser range for much less. You are creating a much greater buzz with a 1,000 mile vehicle. A 2 seater with a 250 or a 400 range…not as much. I know this vehicle has a special appeal due to its design, but at the end of it, it’s still a two seater and you can get plenty of well handling 2 seat ice cars at the same or similar price point.
Maybe just my thoughts but that’s where I am with this.
john-malcomMemberNovember 22, 2021 at 8:03 am
I believe that marketing, engineering, production, and finance will do the right tradeoffs to determine the best product release plan. Not many of the target market (Millennials & Gen Z) can afford a 1000 mile configuration. The 250/400 mile version is currently priced so it is easily accessible to those with lower incomes therefore encouraging a greater volume of purchases out of the gate. Perhaps better to have a lot of Apterae on the roads?
paul-schultzMemberFebruary 19, 2022 at 9:40 am
I will admit I both understand the reasoning behind not exactly following the reservation number order for delivering vehicles but it also is a bit deflating to have made a fairly early commitment and due to my build choice being pushed farther back in the queue. In the recent investor Q&A session, Chris Anthony clarified that while Aptera will start building the ~40kWh batteries first they will phase in the next battery build and then be manufacturing 40kWh vehicles and 25kWh vehicles in an intermixed fashion. They will continue to phase in other battery sizes in a similar fashion. He made it appear as if there could be some semblance of following the reservation order. I don’t want to change from by vehicle build just to get further up the queue. Did anyone catch this comment? Did you interpret as I did?
bruce-menglerMemberFebruary 19, 2022 at 9:52 am
Yes, I caught the comment.
Yes, I interpreted it the same as you.
In theory, theory and
reality are related. In reality theory & reality can differ
Not every version can be first off the assembly line.
Though not explicitly stated I suspect there are more orders for 400 mile pack, followed by 250 mile pack, followed by 600 mile pack, & last was 1000 mile version. I agree with the decision to produce what the customers want. Aptera Motors is staff & supply chain limited needs to make choices about where devote limited resources.
OZ.MemberFebruary 19, 2022 at 10:08 am
Bruce, I think they did state that they had more requests for 40kWh packs, but I don’t recall for the rest what the popularity was. The 40/25/60/100 order appeared to actually be in place prior to opening reservations, quite possibly based on both projected demand and difficulty of fitting the larger packs in. (Otherwise I would have expected the 100kWh packs first since that is one of the two biggest sales points they were advocating.)
OZ.MemberFebruary 19, 2022 at 10:02 am
I posed the question during the ambassadors webinar, CA basically verified that yes, they will roll out the 40kWh packs first, then the 25/60/100 in that order and add them to the mix so that all four models will be in production at the same time. Each pack (It seems, and it does make sense.) has to be individually designed to fit into the compartment. Originally IIRC in a Facebook chat on 12/4/21, it was implied that the time between the 40 packs and the 100 packs would only be a few months, I’m hoping that estimate continues to be true. As for changing your size request to speed up delivery, I don’t know, CA indicated it might, but really without a whole lot more information, we’re just guessing. I wouldn’t expect for an order placed today (Or really anything after the first few hundred), for the pack size to have any bearing on the timeline at all.
A really nice thing, would be for Aptera to come out and say that they will contact people in the queue as they get close (By whatever priority they apply, say location or date or whatever.) and verify what kind of time they are looking to get a vehicle at based on the pack they request at that point. That way they will get a more realistic gauge of what people actually want, not what people will enter because they think will get them the car faster.
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lenModeratorFebruary 19, 2022 at 10:35 am
Yes…. Sarah did say ” We will be reaching out to each reservation holder, when we get closer, to finalize and update an order”
I am personally “holding off’ for however long it takes for the 60kWh. My low reservation number and incentives should help “when that production run starts” 🤞
I need whatever range I will “net” from that 60 kWh choice with AWD and possible Off Road kit
A 2023 notice would thrill me!
My FIX… I have lucky friends with the Paradigm 40kWh reservation pre orders so I will visit and learn from them!😉
KayleighVenneAdministratorFebruary 24, 2022 at 3:48 pm
Hi all! You understood correctly. We do plan to begin production with the 400-mile range version and then go onto the 250-mile range. We still plan to deliver the vehicles as close as we can to the order in which the reservations were placed. The Aptera team will contact you in Q3 to confirm your configuration and discuss your options! 🙂
- This reply was modified 1 year ago by Kayleigh Venne. Reason: Fixing a redundant typo
john-malcomMemberFebruary 24, 2022 at 3:57 pm
OOh…….getting close to a detailed production schedule. All will be very excited. You are the bearer of good news
KayleighVenneAdministratorFebruary 24, 2022 at 4:50 pm
Hi John! So glad to hear that!
lane-costilowMemberJuly 28, 2022 at 11:08 pm
When my time for order fulfillment approaches, I hope Aptera will reach out to me by email also. I seldom answer telephone numbers I don’t recognize because they’re usually salespersons or recordings of such.
jonah-jorgensonMemberJuly 29, 2022 at 6:53 am
Aptera will use all channels to contact you when it comes time to finalize an order and pay a deposit. I would suggest that you would send a message using the “Contact Us” menu item to ask them to annotate your reservation with a request to use email to make sure.
donald-crittendenMemberJuly 29, 2022 at 8:28 am
I’m curious where the Paradigm and the Paradigm+ figure into this roll out. Will the Paradigm be completed before the rest of the 40kWh versions be made??
ROMADMemberJuly 29, 2022 at 8:30 am
Hmmm, back in February, Kayleigh said the team will be contacting people in Q3 to confirm their configuration and options. Since Q3 ends on 30 Sep, I wonder if they will have to delay contacting until Q4 or even Q1 of 2023?
joey-laoMemberSeptember 11, 2022 at 9:28 am
I spoke with Chris Anthony at the Fully Charged Show yesterday and asked him about what the first production vehicles will be. I remember him saying that it will be the 400 mile AWD (not FWD) with full Solar option. I’m not sure if I misheard him so can someone else confirm if this is correct?
lenModeratorSeptember 11, 2022 at 9:33 am
The first are 220 of the Paradigm edition, which come as.,,
40 kwh with your Paradigm interior choice
OZ.MemberSeptember 11, 2022 at 11:13 am
Actually Len, it’s probably more correct to say “Some” of the Paradigm Editions. I would wager almost any amount, those that were ordered from outside the U.S. will not be delivered or produced in the first 1,000 vehicles, and find it fairly unlikely that any reserved from outside SoCal will be until deliveries/order completion reaches their areas.
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SamMemberSeptember 11, 2022 at 5:15 pm
Chris, at fully charged, says battery packs introduced first will be 45, 60, 23, then 99 kWh. The 23 used to be before the 60.
SamMemberSeptember 11, 2022 at 6:50 pm
Right here at 9:30
OZ.MemberSeptember 11, 2022 at 7:28 pm
I mean it’s entirely possible that they changed the order of production, say if they came up with a better pack assembly process than they originally had. But it also may be possible he misspoke in the moment (There are several instance through the various briefs that some things were not correctly stated.) I’ll wait for an official announcement from Aptera for this myself, it’s a big enough change if true that something should come out.
curtis-cibinelMemberSeptember 11, 2022 at 7:13 pm
99 kwh doesn’t seem to make logical sense. If 45 is needed for 400 miles, the higher ranges should scale worse than linearly (rocket equation). Given the added weight impacting efficiency, 99 kwh shouldn’t be enough for no more than 880 miles at best. Not that more range is unwelcome for the “400 mile” or 880 is bad but it is worse than the original claims (hitting 1000 is a big pr benefit).
kerbe2705MemberSeptember 11, 2022 at 10:49 pm
@Curtis Cibinel Don’t forget the 10% buffer… the 45 pack is 41 usable, so a 99 pack would be 89 usable. To reach the 1K range prediction, the vehicle would need to deliver something close to 11.25 miles per kW. If that’s the actual efficiency, the 400 range vehicle would actually offer 460 miles…
The 60 kWh nominal pack would be 54 usable – at 11.25 mpkW, that’s 607 miles. The 23 kWh nominal would be 21 – which, at 11.25, comes up short at only 236 miles.
So what are we missing?
OZ.MemberSeptember 12, 2022 at 5:24 am
Reviewing the recording, CA only specified the useable/buffer sizes on the 400 version (Which we already knew.) The other three are introduced without a description as to which they are.
SamMemberSeptember 12, 2022 at 3:26 am
I think what’s driving the order is reservations. Whatever the battery, considering how rapidly that tech is advancing, Aptera will most likely meet, if not exceed, the proposed ranges.
ApteraDreamMemberSeptember 18, 2022 at 2:19 pm
I think it would be very interesting to know how many orders have been made for each production model based on range. I know most have been made on the 400 but considering i ordered the 600 and that will be the 2nd model produced I am curious how easy it will be to fulfill orders based on that models popularity and order count. I also assume the 1000 mile version has the least amount ordered just from cost and weight considerations so it may be easier to fulfill those orders because of the lower order count on the 1000 model.
lenModeratorSeptember 18, 2022 at 2:28 pm
Yes 40kWh very popular
After the 40 kWh Paradigm, then 25 kWh, 40, kWh, followed by the 60kWh,100 kWh seems to be the sequence and at that time (full production ) all be made…
No idea and reservation split
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curtis-cibinelMemberSeptember 18, 2022 at 2:35 pm
ApteraDreamMemberSeptember 18, 2022 at 2:52 pm
so the 600’s should be easier to fulfill and the rumor is they will be the 2nd production phase after they make some 400’s first. Sure will be nice to make it from Florida to Asheville NC on almost a single charge. Just a few miles short from where I live but that is still pretty cool in my book.
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OZ.MemberSeptember 18, 2022 at 3:02 pm
Actually, Aptera had stated before reservations began that the 1,000s would be fourth, and on the first day of reservations stated the 400/250/600/1,000 order.