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  • ajay kaushal

    Member
    September 19, 2021 at 3:00 pm

    Will aptera have any 110v outlet to use when power is needed?

    Also any USB outlets for charging on the go?

  • Len Nowak

    Moderator
    September 19, 2021 at 3:41 pm

    Although the new website’s FAQ is great

    Use the search function in that large spreadsheet (attached below).

    Note: Answers within are from Aptera Team members and are periodically refreshed!

    I always try to keep in mind.. The answers are the best answer “at the moment”… We are looking at results coming in from the early two development ( alpha series ) vehicles…

    Beta ( validation) Gamma ( Release candidate ) and Delta/ production vehicles WILL TELL THE FINAL STORY!

    Hope this helps “for now”


    Aptera’s FAQ Spreadsheet

  • ajay kaushal

    Member
    September 19, 2021 at 4:44 pm

    Thanks, this helps

    • John Malcom

      Member
      February 7, 2022 at 11:35 am

      There will be no 220v plug on the aptera for a vehicle delivered in the U.S. There will be a110v plug, and two USB ports, and of course Bluetooth.The purpose of the Aptera is to provide the most efficient transportation in the world. Including a 220v plug would add weight that would degrade performance and would only be used by a very small minority of owners. Other EVs are more suited for supporting a 220v option.

      <font face=”inherit”>Please note Leonard Nowak’s post on this thread. If you have questions, this is a good place to go to find answers first remembering the caveats Leonard has listed for us. They are just good common sense. Leonard will not blow his horn so I will blow it for him. Leonard is a very experienced ambassador with a wealth of knowledge of Aptera. Leonard is one of the fortunate ones that have </font>actually<font face=”inherit”> ridden in an Aptera, so he has first had knowledge as well as he has spoken </font>directly<font face=”inherit”> with the founders. When he suggests something on the forum all benefit by following his counsel. </font>

      The purpose of the Aptera is to provide the most efficient transportation in the world. Including a 220v plug would add weight that would degrade performance and would only be used by a very small minority of owners.

      Get both! Sex appeal of the Aptera when you’re out on the town and getting all of the admiring looks and a EV truck with the 220v so you can power anything you may want to use.

  • Ernesto Bartels

    Member
    January 31, 2022 at 5:25 pm

    Piggy back on this question, will there be a 220V outlet or option?

    One of the reasons I also reserved an F150 Lightning was because of the optional ($1000) 30amp 220V outlet, which allows me to use it as an emergency backup to run essentials in house, run water pump etc. A car with a solar panel and ability to use it as backup in emergencies could be valuable

    • kerbe2705

      Member
      January 31, 2022 at 6:26 pm

      Considering the size and weight of the inverter necessary to convert battery DC to line AC, I doubt that we’ll see it in an Aptera.

      • John Malcom

        Member
        January 31, 2022 at 7:58 pm

        The Aptera is not purposed as a vehicle to routinely support the use of equipment requiring 220v. You are wise to have reserved a Lightning with the $1,000 option if you need that for work or some other reason.

        The Aptera is designed to be the most efficient vehicle transportation in the world. Let me second kerbe2705’s post. The additional weight to provide that feature would seriously erode the design goal and performance of an Aptera.

        • Ernesto Bartels

          Member
          February 7, 2022 at 8:48 am

          Thanks for the comments guys! 🙂

      • Elzo Stubbe

        Member
        February 7, 2022 at 11:35 am

        off course we will see it in an aptera. Because they will sell thousands and thousands in 220 volt land!

        • This reply was modified 9 months, 3 weeks ago by  Elzo Stubbe. Reason: forgot an s
  • Eric & Lorraine Arnold

    Member
    February 4, 2022 at 10:22 am

    Updated spreadsheet to make it readable when it is downloaded.

    • John Malcom

      Member
      February 7, 2022 at 8:51 am

      Thanks for doing this for all on the forum. Makes it easier to use

      • OZ (It’s OZ, Just OZ)

        Member
        February 7, 2022 at 9:07 am

        John, have you clicked on his document above?

        • John Malcom

          Member
          February 7, 2022 at 11:14 am

          Oz Man, yes I did. It needs to be downloaded. I could not open in current configuration. It s now a Excel doc with better formatting

  • Robert Keith Harrigan

    Member
    July 5, 2022 at 10:05 am

    I see nothing indicating the that the Aptera will have any 12volt electrical outlets to charge phones or computers. All I see is a small pocket in the front of the center console that could be a wireless charger for one small device. These wireless chargers are slow chargers charging at about 1/2 as fast as wired chargers. So no way to charge more than one small device. No way to charge multiple devices, computers or anything else? Am I missing something?

  • kerbe2705

    Member
    July 5, 2022 at 2:16 pm

    @Robert Keith Harrigan Aptera has yet to finalize the interior design of the vehicle: We’ve been promised that a built-out version of the current design will be available later this month (July, 2022).

    12V outlets are not common to all vehicles, but USB charging ports are fairly ubiquitous. I suspect that they – like cupholders – will be part of the vehicle.

    • Dennis Swaney

      Member
      July 5, 2022 at 5:34 pm

      Every car I’ve owned has had 12VDC outlets (some even did double duty as cigar lighters), but none have USB outlets. In order to get them, I bought cup holder adapters that have 2 12vdc and 2 USB outlets and these plug into the stock 12vdc outlet. Oh, two of my cars had 2 12vdc outlets: one car had 1 in the dash and 1 inside the center console, while the other had the 1 in the dash, and the other outlet in the back by the hatch.

      • kerbe2705

        Member
        July 6, 2022 at 9:48 am

        @Dennis Swaney I’ve had three different cars over the past 15 years and all have had USB but only two have had 12V receptacles: My last car had one in the trunk and the current vehicle has one on the rear of the center console.

        • Dennis Swaney

          Member
          July 6, 2022 at 10:36 am

          My 2004 Prius was the one with 12vdc outlets in the dash & center console (I plugged an USB adapter in the latter) but no USB at all. My 2005 Jetta Wagon has them in the dash (well, ash tray) and in the back near the hatch. I use the latter to power my 5 wire to 4 wire rear lights convertor for towing. In the front is where I plug in the Wagan cupholder power adapter:

    • Bob Kirchner

      Member
      July 6, 2022 at 5:14 am

      USB outlets cannot power a large number of accessories that an owner might want to use. In my case, that would be a portable freezer. My current car has two cigarette lighter style plugs in front, one switched by the ignition switch the other unswitched, and two in the cargo area. I find them to be very useful, and would hope that if Aptera does not include at least one, that they would provide switched and unswitched fused terminals to which we can attach our own wiring for accessories.

      • kerbe2705

        Member
        July 6, 2022 at 9:51 am

        @Bob Kirchner I understand your point, Bob, but I was responding to the poster’s question about charging phones, computers, etc. – not about running relatively high-powered devices. Quite a few modern EVs and PHEVs now have standard home-style receptacles – I get the feeling that the days of the 12V “cigar lighter” format are numbered…

        • Y Z

          Member
          July 6, 2022 at 11:17 am

          I’d gladly take a standard wall outlet, or even better, both. The amount of space and wiring required for the 12v at least should be minimal

  • James Gatan

    Member
    July 6, 2022 at 11:15 am

    You can possibly tap power from the small 12v battery, that runs the auxiliaries, using an inverter. Chris Anthony mentioned this battery, in one of Steve’s (of Aptera Owners Club) interviews. Me, I’d just probably use a portable Jackery.

    • John Voules

      Member
      July 6, 2022 at 2:17 pm

      For those seeking outlets + usb ….EGO inverter with battery should supply you with days if not weeks of energy. You can plug a fan or tv to bring with you in your travels and or usb. Also advantage of taking out of your vehicle to use for tailgating or camping. I would not delay my purchase of my vehicle because it’s missing things that are truly unrelated to basic travel itself….inverter under$100- batteries range from $100-250

  • Robert Keith Harrigan

    Member
    July 6, 2022 at 1:21 pm

    James if you want to use a Jackery to power your electrical devices in your Aptera won’t you need a way to charge the Jackery on your road trip in your Aptera? This subject of electrical outlets (USB or 12 VDC Cigarette style outlet has not been mentioned or discussed that I have seen.

    I want to know is there is going to be multiple USB (A & C) and 12 VDC cigarette lighter style outlets in the Aptera or not? I am more concerned with functionality than looks

    • James Gatan

      Member
      July 6, 2022 at 5:27 pm

      Robert, the Jackery would be pre charged prior to the trip. Worse case, the Jackery can even be plugged with the 100W SolarSaga panels if the thing runs out of juice. I do that on one of my power banks for my phone. It comes with an optional foldable solar panels. Quite nifty to use.

      • Ray Holan

        Moderator
        July 8, 2022 at 6:48 am

        James, I’ve had a Jackery Explorer 1000 (1kWh battery and 800w inverter for 110v) for about a year. It charges with portable panels very nicely as you’ve mentioned and has given me good service so far. Bluetti is another brand that is popular. They have a new model that is only about $250 and has 269Wh and a 600w inverter. Portable, foldable solar panels are available from them as well as from many other manufacturers. This class of product is getting more and more popular.

        These sort of devices go beyond the original poster’s question re: 12v outlets, but it’s reassuring to have choices in the unlikely event that the final Aptera design doesn’t meet one’s 12v charging needs.

        • Dennis Swaney

          Member
          July 8, 2022 at 8:44 am

          Lack of a hardwired 12vdc source minimum will be a deal killer for me.

        • James Gatan

          Member
          July 8, 2022 at 11:10 am

          Ray, I’m interested too for the Aptera to have the 12V female cigarette socket. Am still quite dependent on it. As an example, I use it everyday to plug in my 2 dash cams (front & rears), as in my ICE Mazda6. But I plan to attach a front facing dash cam on my Aptera. Another thing, I have some NOS VAG solar panels with suction cups (circa 2000s; of my old German 1.8T Audi A4 & Passat Wagon from factory). Attachable to windows in cars and is plugged directly to the 12v cig socket. It can trickle charge your 12V lead acids. Am thinking if it can be doable to trickle charge the small 12V auxiliary rechargeable battery of the Aptera lol.

  • Dennis Swaney

    Member
    July 7, 2022 at 4:56 pm

    I just realized that in addition to a 12vdc outlet, I’m going to need a source where I can make a hardwired 12vdc connection. Of course I could always tap off the back of an outlet.

  • Kirk Robbins

    Member
    July 8, 2022 at 6:36 am

    My suggestion would be at a minimum having a power delivery USB C port and or ports that match common solar generators. It’s time for the standard unreliable 12v receptacles to go away.

    • Dennis Swaney

      Member
      July 8, 2022 at 8:42 am

      Sorry, there are people who have equipment that REQUIRE a 12vdc supply. When USB outlets can put out 12 vdc up to 10 amps, THEN they might be able to replace the standard power outlet.

      • Y Z

        Member
        July 8, 2022 at 10:26 am

        If the aptera already has a 12v system in place, it should be easy to include a 12v plug. Even if they don’t want it in the center console, I’ve seen cars with them in the trunk area or in the passenger footwell.

        • Dennis Swaney

          Member
          July 8, 2022 at 7:39 pm

          They don’t even have to include the outlet, just a 12dc source, be it switched or unswitched, as you can buy outlets at your Friendly Local Auto Parts Store (FLAPS). I’ve seen them from one to four ports, and now there are panels that incorporate USB ports and a digital voltmeter along with at least one standard “cigar” outlet.

    • Joshua Rosen

      Member
      July 8, 2022 at 11:52 am

      I want multiple USB-Cs but I also think a 12V should be included also. The 12V connector can deliver a lot of power and it’s primitiveness is a feature because it can be used by dumb devices like refrigerators. It’s also useful for expanding the number of USBs. My Tesla only has a couple of USB-A connectors which I have connected to my wireless charging pad. I have a dual USB-C adapter plugged into my 12V adapter which we use for a second phone and also for my promary phone when it’s acting as a hot spot because there isn’t enough power from the USB-A powered charging pad.

  • Richard Mitchell

    Member
    July 8, 2022 at 7:55 pm

    With all of the onboard power and the solar charging options, it would be most useful if the Aptera had 12v and/or 120v outlets. As a photographer that looks forward to using this car as my adventure vehicle for long road trips to do photography, I have a need to charge camera and computer gear on a regular basis. A Jackery won’t cut it for a longer trip – and having to hook up an auxiliary solar panel when the Aptera has 700w of solar would be a real inconvenience (especially since a portable panel would likely have to be exposed to sun… during the day… while traveling)

    • Ray Holan

      Moderator
      July 9, 2022 at 5:19 am

      When I read through the posts in this thread I was reminded (once again) that we have a great variety of use cases and preferences when it comes to Aptera features. Glad I’m not the one who has to make these design decisions — balancing cost, repairability, and customer preference is a tricky business.

  • Sam Adams

    Member
    July 9, 2022 at 6:25 am

    A couple of these and one of those would be perfect!

    • Dennis Swaney

      Member
      July 9, 2022 at 8:50 am

      Or this:

    • Steve Wanamaker

      Member
      July 24, 2022 at 10:26 am

      YES. Plug in cooler. Tire inflator. Dash cam. CPAP machine at night. USB phone charging. This is an ELECTRIC car. There should be access to electricity!

  • Dustin DelRosso

    Member
    July 9, 2022 at 7:21 pm

    I really want a dash cam, its a deal breaker if they dont include such a basic feature. Also 12v power port is very important. And please wire in a 12v user interface. Constant power, switch power and ground, with a matching plug end with leads.

    • Crissa Kentavr

      Member
      July 11, 2022 at 11:53 am

      Mine is powered by USB-C…

    • John Malcom

      Member
      July 23, 2022 at 8:20 pm

      The deal may be broken then.

      There is no indication that the first production Aptare will be equipped with dash cams. Nothing would prevent you from installing one after purchase of course. This way you can chose the features you want in the dash cams.

      Neither of my last two cars came with dash cams. I installed two different third party types in them.

      • This reply was modified 4 months, 1 week ago by  John Malcom.
      • This reply was modified 2 months, 1 week ago by  Gabriel Kemeny.
      • GLENN ZAJIC

        Member
        July 23, 2022 at 11:36 pm

        Hey John, welcome back to the USA! Can those dash cams be set up as sentries or do they only operate when vehicle is on?

        • Arlen Bell

          Member
          July 24, 2022 at 8:51 am

          Aptera must have at least one 12 volt receptacle. I carry a 12 volt inflator that can’t run off UBC and unless Aptera comes with the full Tesla like Sentry system I need to connect front and rear (some how) dash cams. I’m familiar with the Ego inverter — weighs a ton and it would be ridiculous to have to use it in Aptera! I also have friends that travel with oxygen concentrators that they run off 12 volt car systems when traveling.

          • Jonah Jorgenson

            Member
            July 24, 2022 at 9:28 am

            I believe that Aptera will come with a 12v connector, but not for applications that require a lot of current

  • Jarred Howard

    Member
    July 13, 2022 at 6:28 am

    One of the great advantages of a solar-powered car is a mobile home-office. I currently like using my Tesla Model 3 to work from, and use an awkwardly wired 120V inverter wired directly to the DC-DC posts.

    Does Aptera plan on including 120v outlets in the car, either in the front or the hatch area? It would go extremely well with a camping package as an upsell, or by itself as a bonus.

  • Thomas Bushaw

    Member
    July 13, 2022 at 8:25 am

    From their retired Q&A spreadsheet, the answer appears to be “yes”, there will be (at least) one.

  • Gordon Niessen

    Member
    July 13, 2022 at 8:14 pm

    If you want battery backup for the house, then the right answer is to have a DC power connection for V2L. Then have an inverter at you house that you connect your car battery to. Why haul around a heavy inverter when you would only use it at home for rare emergencies.

    • Curtis Cibinel

      Member
      July 14, 2022 at 12:05 am

      For camping and emergencies an inverter is super useful. 1.5 kw is the same as a North American electrical circuit so anything with a 120v plug can be used while being under the limit.

      • Quiviran

        Member
        July 14, 2022 at 9:16 am

        On the nose. My camping setup will be all electric. Propane as a camping need is over.

  • Jarred Howard

    Member
    July 13, 2022 at 11:52 pm

    Yeah, I’m not really interested in a battery backup for the house. A modest inverter that can handle a chonky laptop or two is all I need, and DC power for a fridge. Thanks Thomas, and I hope they will aim to keep those features from the old spreadsheet.

  • Mark Salyzyn

    Member
    July 23, 2022 at 7:30 pm

    I was discussing with my wife about camping with the Aptera. I used to use a naphthalene stove in the past. Seems _wrong_ to do in an Aptera. Carbon fuels bad M’kay?

    The Battery is 350vdc. If the midpoint and ends are brought out to a converter, it could produce single phase split 240vac 50/60Hz directly suitable for a nice powerful one or two burner induction cooktop. The converters they use for the motors produce 208vac 3 phase power directly, similar componentry, different wiring. Of course, such an option for 240vac split would give us a pair of accessory plug for 120vac for normal stuff. Refrigerators, LED lights, Amateur Radio power supplies …

    If the converter is of the same design as the motor drive, except not variable frequency, and wired for single phase they could power a house 240vac split at 200Amps. Having such a beefy converter will have its own uses (like … powering a house!)

    The accessory converter need only be for 15A or 20A service, so not nearly as beefy. There are aftermarket units here and there designed for the large number of 350vdc cars, Ford has such in the electric F-150 standard built-in. It would be better if such an option was available from Aptera themselves though for great fit and finish.

    So, what do you think?

  • Steve Wanamaker

    Member
    July 23, 2022 at 8:05 pm

    I think a 15A 120v outlet is a minimum requirement. This would allow me to run a hot plate. Also one or more 12v to run a small plug-in cooler, and some USBC to charge phones.

    • John Voules

      Member
      July 23, 2022 at 8:12 pm

      Maybe a good idea for APTERA to offer with tent package. Factory order could include not just the tent but extra outlets or other camping connections.

      • Mark Salyzyn

        Member
        July 24, 2022 at 6:47 am

        Tent package could also have a comfy optional cut and sewn to fit mattress for the younger people on the Aptera reservation list (read: apparently this means 55 to 70 year olds) 😉

  • Gordon Niessen

    Member
    July 23, 2022 at 8:09 pm

    You can have a nice induction cooktop or microwave on a simple 120v outlet that Aptera are saying will be included. No need to go crazy with split phase or even 3 phase. Though being able to tap into the full DC power for V2G support would be very nice.

  • John Malcom

    Member
    July 23, 2022 at 8:38 pm

    The Aptera is engineered to be the most efficient vehicle transportation in the world. It was not designed to be a power station or a substitute for a 150 Lightning. The Aptera will have V2L 110 but not powerful enough to support using a hot plate or other high current device. There will be no 220v output.

    • Gordon Niessen

      Member
      July 24, 2022 at 6:31 am

      I agree that these are just secondary features. Note: that I would bet that when they make one for Europe it will have 220v and no 110v.

  • James Gatan

    Member
    July 23, 2022 at 10:22 pm

    @ Mark Salyzyn, tapping power from this portable EV “power bank” could possibly be the solution. Being so used to having a back up battery (for my iPhone) within easy reach, this would be the power bank for my Aptera (very useful for overnight charging in apt garage). I just signed up, for pre ordering notification, to commence this year.

    A ZipCharge Go

    https://www.zipcharge.global

  • Paul Schultz

    Member
    July 24, 2022 at 4:47 am

    … or, camp at state or national park campgrounds that have sites with a power post. Bring an extension cord and you are all set. And, most sites have enough capacity at the power post (up to 120V, 50A service) to add a portable L2 AC charger. No metered payment either. The cost is included in the campsite fee. Pay for the site, set up the Aptera tent, put a portable electric cooktop on the picnic table and enjoy the beautiful surroundings!

    • Mark Salyzyn

      Member
      July 24, 2022 at 5:54 am

      That was my first idea, but then I started thinking off grid, rest stops etc.

      It was good to know that this kind of thing was discussed, and was on the first spreadsheet of features. Let us hope that despite disappearing off the modern lists, it is still on their mind.

      Of course, if it is not, I guarantee you that I just found a retirement job making accessories for the Aptera 😉

  • Richard Moore

    Member
    September 6, 2022 at 2:59 pm

    I have looked everywhere and cannot find any info on this. An AC power outlet in the rear cargo area would be a great thing to have. I can think of dozens of uses for it that I normally carry a “solar generator” for. If it can’t be put in as standard equipment maybe as an addon to the camping package.

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