Production schedule delay?

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Aptera Community Aptera Discussions Production schedule delay?

  • Production schedule delay?

     Alain Chuzel updated 2 weeks, 6 days ago 13 Members · 26 Posts
  • Qiang Fu

    Member
    June 14, 2022 at 11:48 am

    I heard Chris mentioned in the webinar that they are working to complete the first pre-production build by the end of the year.

    I thought the schedule was to have the first customer delivery by the end of the year.

    Although the delay, if confirmed, is not really surprising, nevertheless a down note.

  • Curtis Cibinel

    Member
    June 14, 2022 at 12:39 pm

    They are getting an initial gamma done soon. They were quite clear about the intent to deliver units to customers this year but it will likely be more hand built and not handled in the same production stations that would be putting it together at scale (potentially assembled by the engineers). Essentially once the final design is set they will start making a small number manually as the 2 assembly facilities and are put together and line staff are trained.

    • Jonah Jorgenson

      Member
      June 14, 2022 at 1:02 pm

      That is OK I think. Good to do a manual walkthrough with engineers and someone to assess the process and places where defects are most likely to occur using knowledgeable engineers, clean up the process, and run through again to validate. That would make the training of the assembly staff more efficient and reduce the potential for defects from assembly staff due to process.

      • This reply was modified 3 weeks ago by  Jonah Jorgenson. Reason: correct spelling
    • Qiang Fu

      Member
      June 14, 2022 at 5:17 pm

      Thanks, Curtis. That makes sense. I had thought the sequence would be pre-production, production, then customer delivery. But you are right that the company can deliver limited number to customers before mass production is up and running.

  • David Marlow

    Member
    June 14, 2022 at 12:40 pm

    Yes, the production schedule is slipping, in the interest of making a better product.

    I was hoping that an actual Gama unit would be shown, but now that will not be until next month.

    The solar cell development information was very interesting, indicating that other solar vehicles may not hold up as well.

    I am concerned about the batteries while they can store more energy per pound, they will cost more and will be more temperature sensitive than other lithium batteries. Being that these vehicles are intended to be left out in the sun, the temperature management system is critical.

    The electrical system is what I hoped it would be, however it is a software sensitive system. If something goes wrong with the system there could be serious problems, nothing was said on how that situation would be handled.

  • Dennis Swaney

    Member
    June 14, 2022 at 12:40 pm

    Altogether now: “Supply chain problems”

    That is the new mantra for someone who can’t fulfill what they promised. Oh, it is usually accompanied by a 20% price hike. Hopefully Aptera is not like the supplier of the materials I needed to replace my roof and will only have a slight delay and also meet their original price point.

  • Steven G. Bueche

    Member
    June 14, 2022 at 1:14 pm

    Mmm, I’ll get a hand built Aptera like a fancy upscale Hyper Car. I call that bragging rights.

    Not me of course as I’m a bit over 10K in line but I would think it would be a cool factor to be able to say that.

    So, we’ve got assembly machines being shipped, wheel motors being shipped (?) we can only hope they have a few on hand for the year end hand builds. Again a good question.

    Do we have any parts on hand and if so of what percentages for year end assembly?

    I understand the Gamma will be a tighter assembled unit and will be darn near production ready with all of it’s intended parts for we have yet to see a completed fully functional car (autocycle) yet.

    Do we know if the solar gives them that 40 miles a day? If so, what? If not, what? Was that any reason for adding the few cells to the front? Seems like they also added a few either to the roof or hatch. Promised to say more about it in the future.

    I know these parts need to be built and shipped from all over the supply chain.

    Let’s hope there’s a comprehensive video on the Gamma to keep our mouths salivating.

    • Jonah Jorgenson

      Member
      June 14, 2022 at 1:29 pm

      Underwhelming after the buildup for the webinar.

      Most of the presentations did not add additional information and in some cases less (Previous battery video was more informative).

      Chris’s rant on the Tesla plug provided no insight on what will be on the CCS charging standard Aptera.

      The yoke justification was not.

      Still a lot of marketing speak

      After all of the strong invitation to submit questions, few of import were answered.

      Time is running out for “We will tell you(Substance) later this year”

      I would like to hear production update from Pablo the man in charge, and the engineering updates from the chief engineer (Nathan Armstrong) to judge their engagement in this enterprise at this critical point.

      • Dennis Swaney

        Member
        June 14, 2022 at 1:59 pm

        I agree, Jonah. I couldn’t watch the livestream but I just finished watching the recorded video on YouTube. One thing I wanted to see was the rear end of the Gamma build with the squished tail lights.

        • Curtis Cibinel

          Member
          June 14, 2022 at 5:09 pm

          The height of the gamma backend is likely just enough for a taillight which is similar to that on the alpha. I see no reason for some exotic shape of the taillight.

          • Dennis Swaney

            Member
            June 14, 2022 at 6:34 pm

            Well, when they showed the “tweaking” of the body to increase airflow there was an animation of the tail lights being thinned down in the middle. In the webinar video at about 28:35, they mention reducing the thickness of the tail. I took a couple of screenshots, one showing the original thickness and the second the reduced thickness with the “pinched” tail light area.

            • This reply was modified 3 weeks ago by  Dennis Swaney. Reason: Add screenshots
            • Curtis Cibinel

              Member
              June 14, 2022 at 6:57 pm

              The animation just did a simple pinch of the mesh which demonstrated the idea. The tail light was not the focus and any distortion of it was likely not the intent. I could be wrong but I am fairly sure the taillight will be a simple straight bar like every other image they have given us.

            • Dennis Swaney

              Member
              June 14, 2022 at 7:07 pm

              OK. But that is WHY I want to see the rear of the Gamma so I can see the thinner body around the tail light.

      • Paul Kirchner

        Member
        June 14, 2022 at 5:05 pm

        Well, I for one felt very positive about the webinar. Of particular interest was the discussion about almost inventing the solar aspect of the vehicle, of having onsite patent lawyers, of no one else in the world has their amount of time and knowledge at this point.

        Left me very energized about the company.

        • Alain Chuzel

          Member
          June 14, 2022 at 6:27 pm

          I don’t want to rob you of any energy but…

          Much of what was said about the solar was ill-informed. To this “so-called” expert, it looks like they have a sort of tunnel vision on this topic. I’m now even more worried….

          • John Malcom

            Member
            June 14, 2022 at 6:38 pm

            I think all on the forum would acknowledge you as an expert on vehicular solar. I would agree with the “Tunnel vision” somewhat expected with their mental investment in their work. Sometimes it takes a third party outsider to add objectivity to pronouncements.

            What are your thoughts?

          • Paul Kirchner

            Member
            June 14, 2022 at 6:53 pm

            I’m assuming Aptera did not come to you for knowledge on solar on vehicles.

            • Alain Chuzel

              Member
              June 14, 2022 at 7:11 pm

              They did but in a weird way. A key individual from Aptera (who shall remain unnamed) reached out to me and essentially used his time on the phone, text and email to try to simply “extract” my hard earned “know-how”. Quite the inexperienced amateur. I had hoped that, in time, after they skinned their knees a bit and realized solar development was not as simplistic as amateurs would have you believe, that Aptera and I could have come together in a more productive way. I’m still holding out hope and they still have my number….

            • V Pilot

              Member
              June 14, 2022 at 8:04 pm

              I hope so too. I’d say you have vastly more knowledge and experience than you let on. A source well worth properly tapping.

            • Alain Chuzel

              Member
              June 15, 2022 at 5:06 pm

              “High performance” solar has been an obsession for me since I first learned of solar car racing in the late 1980’s. I got seriously “hooked” when the G.M. Sunraycer toured the U.S. after winning the inaugural World Solar Challenge in 1987 and one of their stops was at Arizona State University where I was working on my M.E. Degree.

  • Len Nowak

    Moderator
    June 14, 2022 at 3:52 pm

    But about 43:10 into the video Chris still mentions they hope to deliver a customer vehicle end of year ( We know that would be a Paradigm 40 kWh edition first…. )

    • Dennis Swaney

      Member
      June 14, 2022 at 5:02 pm

      The impression I got was they hope to deliver ONE vehicle by 11:59 PM December 31, 2022 Pacific Standard Time.

  • Charles Dearborn

    Member
    June 14, 2022 at 6:39 pm

    Yes, it is unnerving that the wheels of anticipated production are creeping along. High gas prices, EV sales are exploding with a long waiting list and used EV’s are selling almost same day listed. Further, we now have reservations of 25,000+ Aptera’s. It would be awesome if production could move a little faster. However, having been a part of the call today I am more excited than ever. I have full confidence in the leadership of Chris, Tom and the Aptera team. Based on community discussions, the history, the technology and the timing of this journey, I am convinced that the outcome will be nothing less than astounding. I expect nothing less than amazing over the next few weeks and months. While I find the waiting game to be painful, I would not want detrimental shortcuts. As a side note, due to my overwhelming excitement, my wife keeps trying to put me in timeout.

  • kerbe2705

    Member
    June 14, 2022 at 8:21 pm

    @Qiang Fu Chris said, “…deliver a pre-production vehicle…” which is what @Curtis Cibinel describes in his response.

    • Qiang Fu

      Member
      June 14, 2022 at 9:46 pm

      Right.

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