MemberMay 13, 2022 at 10:11 am
Alaphe will start seriously producing(ramping up) the hub motors for the Aptera in 2023(source: Alaphe motors)
Conclusion? No Aptera’s delivered in 2022?
MemberMay 13, 2022 at 10:14 am
So same time as they are ramping up production of apterae?
I don’t see an issue. The first few hundred deliveries could be with M700s made by Elaphe like their prototypes.
Aptera has M700s now that they didn’t make. They can just buy them for the first few production cars.
MemberMay 13, 2022 at 10:21 am
Ramp up means production quantities, doesn’t mean that they won’t produce enough to ship the first handful of vehicles this year. I don’t think anyone had any expectation that they would ship more than a couple this year. GM shipped 1 Hummer last year which allowed them to say that they started shipments in 2021, hopefully Aptera does better than that but if they ship 10 this year it will be a major achievement.
MemberMay 13, 2022 at 12:35 pm
Ten vehicles shipped this year would be a major miracle. One would be a major achievement but still unlikely, in my unprofessional opinion.
MemberMay 13, 2022 at 10:31 am
Elaphe will not be making the wheel motors for Aptera. They may supply some parts, but Aptera will be making the motors in SD with parts from North America, Europe, and China per Chris in hi s recent video.
MemberMay 18, 2022 at 12:03 pm
strange contradiction. Chris says this. Alaphe says that??
MemberMay 18, 2022 at 1:28 pm
Lordstown is also building their own Elaphe motors. Elaphe’s website talks about production, wonder if they’ve changed their strategy and have decided to concentrate on engineering and let others build the motors. Not clear why they aren’t just using a contract manufacturer like Foxconn or Magna. Lordstown sold most of their plant to Foxconn, they retained a corner of it to build Elaphe motors. Would have made more sense to have sold the entire plant to Foxconn and let them build the motors, that would have been useful to Aptera also because Foxconn is a reliable supplier.
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MemberMay 19, 2022 at 5:56 am
It’s possible that aptera could be asking for a small run of M700s from Lordstown and Elaphe at the same time they will be putting together some themselves. The hub motors are an advanced piece of tech that have never been shipped in a production vehicle before. Could also help mitigate a potential recall if one supplier makes a mistake.
MemberMay 19, 2022 at 6:46 am
Lords Town is not set up to manufacture M700s. The Lords Town line is set up to manufacture larger motors for the Endurance Pickup.
MemberMay 19, 2022 at 7:30 am
More importantly they would be crazy to rely on Lordstown as a supplier. Lordstown is not long for this world. The company has always seemed like a scam, to put it more charitably its poorly managed and they are burning through cash with no prospect of producing a product. If it was Foxconn and not Lordstown building Elaphe motors that would be a completely different story. Foxconn is a giant corporation with a proven track record as a contract manufacturer. They seem to be serious about getting into automotive business and until the Apple car is ready they have plenty of space in that plant to build multiple sizes of Elaphe motors.
MemberMay 19, 2022 at 7:48 am
@Elzo Stubbe – could you, please, share a link to this information?
MemberMay 19, 2022 at 4:11 pm
I suspect that in-wheel motors will become a ‘thing’ almost coincident with the introduction of the Aptera.
It may be that part of the ‘deal’ with elaphe would allow them to sell Aptera in say eastern Europe and the middle east.
The ability to componentize and simplify the assembly of the Aptera means once the key innovation is the ‘interchangeability’ of parts. Hence, once they set up their assembly line procedures that use no more than the moving adjustable carrier for each vehicle; replication of the process can be really quick.
It is all a matter of the suppliers for the components. They can be geographically disperse. The capital requirements of an assembly plant are minimal as is the space required (<100,000 sq. ft.); it may be possible to provision an assembly plant capable of producing 10,000 Aptera in a matter of a month or two … largely because there is little in the way of specialization of tools or tooling.
Is there risk on the part of Elaphe to construct a plant for the production of the in-wheel motors?
I’m surprised they don’t have two or three such plants planned. This is in part because their first efforts in straight licensing of the tech (to Lordstown) may not be as promising a channel for exploiting their IP as they thought.
Certainly, there is other information regarding demand that they are privy to that we certainly are not. The applicability of IWM ot a wide variety of motive packages from cars like Aptera to trucks like Lordstown to I suspect, in short order, applicability of IWM to powered trailer products.
Bottom line, I would consider plans by Elaphe to open a production facility for their tech as an overdue investment in a very promising technology.
MemberMay 19, 2022 at 6:12 pm
The information available on Elaphe’s website is inconclusive: We know that they are a design firm, not a manufacturer, and that they even design factory systems to BUILD the products they design. There is a hiring announcement, however, that states,
<b style=”font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; letter-spacing: 0px;”>WE ARE HEADING TOWARDS:
- #1 Brand of in-wheel solutions
- Production scale-up
- Expanding our facilities
- 250+ engineers hired
So, perhaps, they are planning to become a manufacturer?