Rushing to market

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Aptera Community Aptera Discussions Rushing to market

  • Rushing to market

     Jon Arryn updated 2 weeks ago 12 Members · 16 Posts
  • Jon Arryn

    Member
    June 17, 2022 at 7:13 am

    IMHO, it really seems they are rushing to market with a vehicle that’s not fully vetted out and certainly not real-world tested (sure, some desert track testing has been done, but that’s just one environment and wasn’t a production-intent model). Test benches and computer simulations are fine, but no substitute for real-world testing of a production-intent vehicle of all components in a variety of environments/seasons. Going to production this fall, less than six months, yet no crash testing, no production solar testing, divisive interior, exterior finish options (f’ the wrap!)… Remember, they expected to have production last fall. It’s still baking and not ready. Given the current market conditions, the IPO is probably going to underperform. I want them to exceed and be successful, but with a fully vetted product.

  • Joshua Rosen

    Member
    June 17, 2022 at 7:32 am

    It sounds like the first cars shipped won’t be feature complete, they will effectively be public betas. I’m OK with that as long as the people receiving them understand that they are beta testers and they set their expectations accordingly. Real production won’t happen until some time next year, hopefully by this time in 2023.

    As for an IPO, I doubt that there will be very many if any IPOs in the next year. We’ve entered a bear market, not a good time to take a company public. On top of that the bloom is off the EV rose. Rivian and Lucid stocks have tanked and those are both companies with real products and cash in the bank, not frauds like Nikola and Lordstown.

    • EVservices .us

      Member
      June 17, 2022 at 7:54 am

      While the Nikola SUV was a fraud, the company is delivering their Tre trucks to customers, unlike the Tesla semi. Not quite sure where the Lordstown fraud is/was – they seem to still be on track to start delivering the Endurance in the fall.

    • Jon Arryn

      Member
      June 17, 2022 at 7:57 am

      Living in AZ, home of Lucid, Nikola and ElectraMeccanica manufacturing, I respectfully disagree about Nikola. They are producing production trucks since March. They are supply-chain constrained as far as volume, but they are making Class 8 BEV Nikola Tre trucks. Lordstown Endurance hasn’t made one production vehicle yet; hopefully w/ FoxConn the new factory owner. If not the Endurance, hopefully the Fisker PEAR will be rolling out of Lordstown, OH in 2024…

      • David Linton

        Member
        June 20, 2022 at 11:56 am

        Have any videos of the Nikola going up hill?

        • Jon Arryn

          Member
          June 22, 2022 at 10:32 am

          Okay troll. Do you have any videos of the promised Fall 2021 production Aptera doing anything? Nikola has been shipping since the end of March and, like Aptera, has thousands of reservations in the queue to fill.

    • Jonah Jorgenson

      Member
      June 17, 2022 at 8:03 am

      Yep! Public Betas by another name. Some risk there as you point out if the correct “Orientation” is not given to those that receive them. Maybe some cost incentive to go along with testing a vehicle without all of the features plus a promise to add at no cost when ready. All speculation on my part.

      No time for an IPO for sure, but need some revenue stream to continue in business and develop next gen or EU compliant variant.

  • Paul Kirchner

    Member
    June 17, 2022 at 8:34 am

    Could just come to the amount of money Aptera has to work with as to when they feel they need to start putting out product.

    I for one think that they will be rapidly refining things in real time each time they build out their first vehicles.

    • Philip Sandiford

      Member
      June 17, 2022 at 7:45 pm

      “Capital burn” is a force that likely keeps these people up at night.

  • Peter Jorgensen

    Member
    June 17, 2022 at 9:48 am

    I’m happy with where Aptera is at this point – They’re more well baked than Vanderhall or the Polaris Slingshot. They gotta stand on their own feet and they are taking the simple and quick route with an autocycle.

  • kerbe2705

    Member
    June 17, 2022 at 1:43 pm

    @Jon Arryn Considering Aptera’s quick pace so far, what makes you assume that they WON’T be able to accomplish real-world testing on pre-production vehicles in the timeframe they’ve set for themselves?

    Remember, too, that the design choices they make aren’t “divisive” internally: They are creating the vehicle they want to create and those consumers who accept their engineering and aesthetic sensibilities will become Aptera drivers. After all, there are probably as many people who find Tesla vehicles to be unattractive as there are those who find them beautiful-beyond-words.

    Like the Tesla Model 3 launch, the first Aptera vehicles will probably go to Aptera employees and others closely related to the company: As friend @Joshua Rosen calls them, “beta testers”… If a functional, rolling Gamma prototype will be ready by the end of July as we’ve been told, I think they might just be able to hit their goals.

    • Dan Kerpe

      Member
      June 17, 2022 at 3:51 pm

      Please don’t misunderstand this as naysaying, I’m a happy deposit holder who will understand. I give them virtually no chance of any meaningful production on their current projected timeline. I design assembly lines for a living for a rather large company with far greater resources. We wouldn’t try to hit those timelines. That has nothing to do with any actual engineering of the Aptera product. It is the ultimate case of kitten herding to get an assembly line that size off the ground. Using AGC’s was a smart choice because it saves a lot of time, but also brings its own headaches. (We have just over 190 of them in use at my location). However, they’re maintenance intensive and bring their own headaches. They are pretty much industry standard for new lines though. To put things in perspective, to hit timelines, the assembly line for our newest “engine” has already been built and is being debugged while the design guys are still in what Aptera calls the Gamma phase. We’re usually ready to go around the same time the product is. Very understandably, the Aptera folks have a lot on their plate. I’m expecting delays, but I’m ok with that.

    • Jon Arryn

      Member
      June 22, 2022 at 10:10 am

      They should have already logged thousands of miles of production-intent vehicles in a myriad of environments- Hot as hell Phoenix, Michigan ice, muggy Florida, etc… Not just vehicle handling dynamics, but all aspects; including HVAC, Electronics, Finish (please ditch that wrap idea, I don’t need a vehicle that molts after two years…), multiple iterations of crash testing. They’ve only tested an open-air vehicle in the mild desert. That’s just a few. Doesn’t seem to be any margin for error, allowance for re-engineering for a production vehicle five months from now. I’m not convinced, delivering a few vehicles in the awesome San Diego climate environment is a comprehensive test.

      As far as the “divisive” interior, I’m basing it is based on community comments. Personally, I’m okay with it (other than the bungee cord beverage holder). I don’t like the yoke, but considering the camera monitor placement, I’d rather have an unobstructed, straight-on-view of the monitors. I’ll just have to resist the urge to pull-up and climb!

  • John Trotter

    Member
    June 18, 2022 at 4:41 pm

    I would avoid buying the first 1% of ANY tech-heavy product. Bleeding-edge and all that. Others may be perfectly happy, as were most of the original Tesla Roadster buyers. (Watch the recent Elon Musk interview to understand how un-finished THAT design was at launch!) So, I will pass on any three-digit VIN, but hope for #1000.

  • my_discord_number_is_0328 bloody stupid

    Member
    June 18, 2022 at 6:57 pm

    my email is Gadflygtr@yahoo (dot) com, send me the invite link to the apteras owners club discord server

  • David Linton

    Member
    June 20, 2022 at 12:03 pm

    Expect employees will get models first to test drive. Stated in the webinar last week that they will be going to local So. CA customers first so they can work out any bugs quickly with the first few that come off the line. They will have service people ready to go when they start coming off the line. Then expand out from So. CA after kinks are worked out. The 2-wheel drive will be first. Then the 3-wheel drive. I got the 3-wheel drive, so expecting most of the kinks will be worked out. Remember Jon, the glass is half-full! Even better what because of what is in the glass!

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