Sounds

  • Sounds

  • Joey Lao

    Member
    September 26, 2021 at 8:35 am

    With how quiet the car is, will it need to generate artificial sounds to let pedestrians know it’s there? Not sure if there’s any requirement for that but thinking for blind pedestrians or similar use case.

  • John Malcom

    Member
    September 26, 2021 at 9:46 am

    Some jurisdictions require by law that EVs generate these sounds. Aptera will have the capability to comply with the law and also be a factor in having a safe car for pedestrians as well as occupants. Aptera will look out for everyone!

  • kerbe2705

    Member
    September 26, 2021 at 9:59 am

    In the US it’s actually a Federal requirement that all EVs and Hybrids produce some level of warning sound up to 30 kph/18.6 mph: https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2018/02/26/2018-03721/federal-motor-vehicle-safety-standard-no-141-minimum-sound-requirements-for-hybrid-and-electric

    I work with a number of visually-impaired individuals and they’ve explained that what they hear from motor vehicles is, first and foremost, tire noise. With ICE vehicles the majority of engine noise is emitted from the rear of the vehicle, as exhaust: My VI friends say that they can tell if a car is ICE or EV only as it passes.

    Plus, as all ICEs make more-or-less the same sound, people can identify that sound as “engine noise”. With every EV making its own synthesized sound – and all of those sounds being different – it will be difficult for people to determine just what they’re hearing.

    • Len Nowak Nowak

      Moderator
      September 26, 2021 at 10:11 am

      When the SOL passed me “at a hi speed (mph not known) the in-wheel motors made a winding sound outside/around the vehicle. Granted this is just an alpha vehicle and the front aero covers were not on so the front wheel cover are open…. We shall hear/see…..end of 2021 where we on on this one!

  • my_discord_number_is_0328 bloody stupid

    Member
    September 27, 2021 at 7:19 pm

    i wonder if speaker sound can replicate engine sound and to what extent, with sound chambers and variable valves and the such (somewhat like to yamaha treatment of lexus LFA and LC500 v8). many say even the latest attempts to do so fail and sound shitty almost all the time. but some are rather ok with it.

    there was a exhuast kit that tried to modify a inline 4 sounds so it sounded like different engines of the same displacement (v8 i6 v10 etc). too bad i forgor the name, not sure how accurate the emulation was. it used both mechanical valve and chamber manipulation of engine noise as well as speakers toghther.

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    a twist on traditonal hydrogen drivetrain: <font face=”inherit” style=”background-color: transparent; font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; letter-spacing: 0px;”>theres also “e fuel” of volkswagen (“p</font>orsche<font face=”inherit” style=”background-color: transparent; font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; letter-spacing: 0px;”>”) and others. and theres that electric drive “solid state hydrogen laser cassete” thing sandy munroe was talking about on “e is for electric” youtub channel. and theres that goopy play-dough form of hydrogen fuel too that i forgot the name of.</font>

  • Joshua Rosen

    Member
    September 28, 2021 at 7:41 am

    I hope they pay attention to noise deadening. The one thing I really don’t like about my Model 3 is how noisy it is, it has a tremendous amount of road noise. My Volt was much quieter and that was essentially a low end Chevy.

    • kerbe2705

      Member
      September 28, 2021 at 3:10 pm

      The newer builds of the Model 3 are significantly quieter – and will be quieter, still, as they switch over to cast subframes. The addition of acoustic glass in the door and roof windows REALLY makes a difference.

  • Peter Jorgensen

    Member
    September 28, 2021 at 11:15 am

    Yes, it’s a legal requirement in the US. Here’s what my Niro EV does. It has a speaker in the front bumper.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdZwVJPN0Ow

  • Llewellyn Evans Evans

    Member
    September 28, 2021 at 2:49 pm

    How about a sonar Ping sound that increases in frequency as you get closer to any object behind.

    ping…….ping….ping..pingpingpinping

  • David Marlow

    Member
    September 28, 2021 at 2:52 pm

    It should not be hard to give us a choice of sounds.

    I would like to have a choice of the Jetsons car sound.

    • kerbe2705

      Member
      September 28, 2021 at 3:08 pm

      I would like that very much, myself – although I fear it may be copyrighted, this video notwithstanding… https://youtu.be/LnT1VgeXOF0

    • Brian Albury Albury

      Member
      June 28, 2022 at 4:09 am

      I’d pay for a Jetson car sound upgrade. 😆

      • Selvan Poothamby

        Member
        June 28, 2022 at 4:50 am

        That’s the tune I had in mind.

  • kerbe2705

    Member
    September 28, 2021 at 3:19 pm

    This is the AVAS (Acoustic Vehicle Alert Sound) of my Honda Clarity pulling into and out of the garage. The only place you can really hear it is when it’s indoors – and it cuts out at 12 mph. The 2020 models, though, have the same sound only significantly louder – and it plays until the regulation speed of 18.6 mph (30 kph) is reached. https://youtu.be/2kdb3D29Wmc

  • Peter Jorgensen

    Member
    September 28, 2021 at 3:46 pm

    I would just like to be able to upload a custom sound…

  • Selvan Poothamby

    Member
    June 26, 2022 at 3:47 am

    It would be great to be able to upload your own custom sounds.

  • Paul Carlucci

    Member
    June 26, 2022 at 5:05 am

    If you can upload a custom sound they’ve provided the means to effectively disable the mandated safety feature, which probably wouldn’t go over so well. I can’t see that being permitted even though there are people who would physically disable the speaker instead of just using ones and zeros.

    • Selvan Poothamby

      Member
      June 26, 2022 at 6:20 am

      Why would switching from the default sound to a user selectable one disable anything? Write it so if the system detects silence, it will automatically revert back to the default sound.

      • Dan Kerpe

        Member
        June 26, 2022 at 3:00 pm

        You could load a sound file that is basically silence. Stupid people do strange things.

    • Dennis Swaney

      Member
      June 26, 2022 at 8:31 am

      Or rewire the speaker to the audio system so you can use your favorite music. Maybe a little George Harrison: “Here Comes the Sun”.

      • Larry Mason

        Member
        June 27, 2022 at 6:16 pm

        Maybe a little Nelson Riddle “theme from Route 66”?

        Although Here Comes the Sun is probably much more in alignment with the whole solar powered car thing.

  • Dennis Swaney

    Member
    June 26, 2022 at 7:56 am

    With our Prius the main problem was when backing up. Toyota put a sound to let you know you were in reverse but it was not audible outside. So first I put in one of those little 12vdc beepers wired in parallel with the left backup light; however people still walked directly behind the Prius when I was backing up. So I went to Amazon and ordered the Wolo BA-70 that says: “Attention Please. This Car Is Backing Up.” repeatedly until you shift out of Reverse. This I was able to mount inside the bumper cover and again wired it to the left backup light. The result? People STILL walked behind me when I was backing up! Never underestimate the stupidity of the average human.

    That said however, I’ll probably put a Wolo BA-70 in the Aptera.

    • Lisa Hillard

      Member
      June 26, 2022 at 3:30 pm

      I actually watched a guy intentionally walk behind a vehicle with one those wolos. He wanted to see where the voice was coming from. 🤦‍♂️ Sigh.

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