- MemberOctober 6, 2022 at 2:09 pm
I’ve mused a few times about how easy it would be, given a compatible but radically different composite monocoque could lead to a new vehicle. I think, for instance, a monocoque with an aerodynamically sculptured pickup would be possible by just adding a second rear suspension component (powered or not) that attaches to the battery box and monocoque but with a pickup bed.
I’ve even suggested an aftermarket camper-like hard shell for the rear of the Aptera to provide most of the utility of a pickup – maybe with a removable sun roof over the rear hatch section. Think of it like the vinyl camper top except you remove the hatch and permanently install the camper at the expanded size.
This is based on the notion that when ICE vehicle prices begin to plummet when everyone gets the idea that they are functionally obsolete because using them regularly costs too much in fuel, they’ll opt for the ‘mileage’ vehicle for getting around and keep their favorite cushy, SUV for those increasingly rare times more than two people go anywhere.
Anyway, Geely, which is mfg. for Polestar, owns the Lotus brand and several others is going to introduce a $25,000 EV pickup. Interesting video.
- MemberOctober 6, 2022 at 3:00 pm
Thank you George Hughes ..good find…I’ve always wanted to own a pickup truck. Waiting for the right time to do so. Range though seemed overly impressive for what looks like a pretty heavy vehicle. APTERA needs to get to market sooner than later as competitors will soon be entering the market with new electric vehicles.
- MemberOctober 7, 2022 at 8:45 am
The Chinese range testing standard is excessively optimistic. Subtract at least 20%.
- MemberOctober 7, 2022 at 6:49 am
In addition to the Aptera, I’ve also got reservations for a Tesla Cybertruck and a Ford Lightning. This video (https://youtu.be/3nS0Fdayj8Y) has cooled my enthusiasm for electric pickups.
The 1000 mile range of the Aptera is still very appealing. I don’t plan on towing any trailers with the Aptera.
- This reply was modified 1 month, 3 weeks ago by Glen Flint. Reason: Forgot to include link to the video
- MemberOctober 7, 2022 at 7:17 am
The thousand mile range of the Aptera is due to it’s itsy bitsy drag. What happens with towing is that the already awful drag of a pickup truck is more than doubled. Hoovie has the short range Lightning which is wholly unsuited to towing. The long range would do a little better but it’s still not suited to towing long distances, today’s EV trucks are fine for contractors or farmers that only need to tow things 50 or 60 miles in a day but they won’t work for people who want to tow a boat to the lake. They are fine for hauling loads in their beds, that barely effects their range because it doesn’t effect the aerodynamics. A couple of EV channels have tested the F150 and the Rivian, a max load in the bed has a 10% effect on range but a trailer cuts the range by half or more. The only solution for the towing problem will be giant batteries, I bet a 2032 F150 will have a 300KWh battery.
- This reply was modified 1 month, 3 weeks ago by Joshua Rosen.
- MemberOctober 7, 2022 at 8:09 am
IMHO, the more likely right answer to range losses while towing will be the trailers and campers with built in supplemental traction batteries and motor driven wheels; all slaved to the towing vehicle’s control. All but the smallest trailers have independently powered brakes already. It is the next logical, EV compatible step. It will also mean you don’t have to buy and drive around a grossly over powered EV the vast majority of the time that most of us won’t be pulling the trailer.
I have already seen examples of trailer manufacturers moving in this direction.
- MemberOctober 7, 2022 at 8:48 am
I would prefer that trailer manufacturers begin to pay attention to aerodynamics in more than an abstract way.
- MemberOctober 7, 2022 at 10:00 am
You’re right. It makes no sense to lug around an extra ton of batteries for the 95% of the time you aren’t towing something. Putting them in the trailer makes more sense. There needs to be a standard for the interface, whether its including a power connector in the trailer hitch so that the trailer can feed power to the truck, or controls for motors in the trailer, or both. I’d bet that this will be the long term solution. One more advantage of having a supplemental battery, there would be two DC charging ports which would significantly decrease the charging time.
- MemberOctober 7, 2022 at 10:23 am
Want to be an entreprenuer in the automotive field; this is it.
Actually, I’ve suggested a recreation of the follow me toy type navigation for in-wheel (torque vectoring) motors that would provide braking and acceleration and traction that follows the lead vehicle.
It actually makes sense in an Aptera if you could have passengers in/on the trailer and the trailed vehicle were the Aptera. Maybe for you Californian’s it might be easier to suggest both vehicles have FSD and are just tied to each other with a string.
That would take care of the hubbub about a four-seater ’cause not only are two Aptera (on a trip) more efficient than any comparable four-seater EV, it would be a real convenience on a trip to have two vehicles at your destination – especially when you have four people making the trip.
The easy observation is if you had an Aptera that followed another around (our five or more all in some EV follow me train) the logic of how to do that is contained in the Aptera computer and its interface with the elaphe wheels … in fact less as you wouldn’t have to steer the two-wheeled trailer.
And what is really cool is these powered trailers will work on any vehicle.
The only reason I don’t see these happening is most of the light-duty trailer manufacturers are to small to make the leap to powered trailers when there is no such thing on the market today. Yep, risk averse … but what a market.
- MemberOctober 7, 2022 at 10:23 am
@Glen Flint – My initial response was going to be “That’s click bait” and leave it at that, which would have been too terse in my own opinion. I found a better, more knowledgeable and helpful response here:
I currently drive an ICE pickup and my range was reduced as well when I towed two motorcycles on a flat bed trailer. What cools my enthusiasm for all the electric automobiles available in the US today, is the window sticker, the cost, and most importantly, the price.🤑
- MemberOctober 9, 2022 at 2:27 pm
Would point everyone to the follow up video that Hoovie put out where he acknowledges that the towing setup was far from ideal so the outcome was way more dire that it should have been.Additionally, Hoovie spends a good amount of time talking about the positive features of the Lightning