The Right To Repair Movement

Aptera Community Aptera Discussions The Right To Repair Movement

Aptera Community Aptera Discussions The Right To Repair Movement

  • The Right To Repair Movement

  • Fanfare 100

    Member
    October 9, 2021 at 9:18 pm

    “Everything from iPhones and McDonald’s ice cream machines to medical equipment is now designed to be unfixable by the average person. Here’s how the Right to Repair movement is hoping to fix that.”
    Enjoy!
    https://youtu.be/UA7hZDfQDws

  • Randy J

    Member
    October 10, 2021 at 6:08 am

    I’ve never seen this message before today, I’m in Canada:

    Video unavailable

    <yt-formatted-string>The uploader has not made this video available in your country.</yt-formatted-string>

    • Ray Holan

      Moderator
      October 10, 2021 at 7:06 am

      Given that we’re not likely to see Aptera dealerships in the foreseeable future, the DIY repairability of the Aptera is a critical success factor.

    • SonicMustang

      Member
      October 13, 2021 at 1:29 am

      I don’t watch that clown but the video is restricted in Canada because the television network wants it restricted. The uploader is the network. Check out Louis Rossman on YouTube. He owns a computer/smartphone repair business in NYC and has been fighting for right to repair.

  • Joshua Rosen

    Member
    October 10, 2021 at 3:24 pm

    Right to repair is only tangentially related to DYI. Aptera will have to have a support strategy in order to sell their vehicles, most people don’t want to do their own repairs, I stopped even doing my own oil changes (back when that was a thing) 25 years ago. What Right to Repair is about is making the availability of parts and service information available so that someone besides the company itself can repair a device. For people who want to DIY right to repair makes their lives easier but more importantly it makes it possible for third parties, for example Electrified Garage in the case of EVs, to fix a vehicle with new factory parts and without having to reverse engineer the car. The two bogey men of the RTR movement are Apple and Tesla, both of which restrict the availability of parts to their own service people and provide no service manuals unless forced to by law. What’s not mentioned by the Right to Repair movement, because it would be impossible to legislate, is design for easy service. Take cell phones as a example. The battery is the one part of a phone that’s going to fail. Ten years ago all phones had replaceable batteries, all you had to do was slide the battery door open, no tools required, and drop in a new one. Then Apple started sealing the battery into the phone and everyone else followed. Now replacing the battery became a complex process, it was possible if you bought the right tools (I did it on my Nexus 5) but it wasn’t easy and there was a good chance that you would break something. To fix an iPhone you pretty much have to go to Apple. Google doesn’t care about the repair business, unlike Apple, so they farm out the job to third parties like uBreakifix. I had to replace the battery on my Pixel 4XL because it was swelling, I took it to uBreakifix and they did the job in a day. The repair was possible but it wasn’t easy like it was on my Galaxy Nexus so it was better left to someone who does it for a living.

    This is a long way of saying that in addition to making information and parts available it would also be highly desirable if they could design it so that a competent garage, but one that doesn’t specialized in Aptera’s, could do most repairs without having a lot of experience.

  • John Malcom

    Member
    October 10, 2021 at 5:03 pm

    I am without a doubt, auto repair DYI challenged. I will not attempt a repair on any of my vehicles to include the Aptera when I get one. However, many others have those talents and will do well doing so. Certainly making available parts (Hopefully at a reasonable price) and manuals to all that may need to use them to affect repairs is important to facilitate repair under right to repair or DYI repair. <font face=”inherit” style=”font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; letter-spacing: 0px;”>Aptra goes a step father up stream. Aptera actively engineers simplicity and </font>reparability<font face=”inherit” style=”font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; letter-spacing: 0px;”> into the design of the production vehicles. This will also make it easier for automobile professionals to be </font>available<font face=”inherit” style=”font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; letter-spacing: 0px;”> and competent to repair Apterae </font>wherever<font face=”inherit” style=”font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; letter-spacing: 0px;”> they may be. </font>

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    • George Hughes

      Member
      November 18, 2021 at 11:46 am

      In regard to RTR, the latest video on the topic mentions that Aptera is including a small tool kit with the car; the four or five tools needed to literally take the car apart.

      If you look under the hood of say a Mach-E, you get the idea that an spider lives in the car as the tubes, wiring and all are enough to pronounce the car an example of planned obsolescence because of its needless complexity.

      What Aptera’s build simplicity does is demystify the EV for those blessed to work on them. And some will find that simplicity, along with the copious manuals, parts catalogue and the like ultimately inspiring.

      The point is people will make the Aptera a learning platform and an innovation platform. If successful in capturing the role of being the preferred innovation platform, the cool things that will accrue to the brand are stupendous, IMHO.

      • Ray Holan

        Moderator
        November 18, 2021 at 4:26 pm

        Thanks, George. Given that we won’t enjoy an Aptera dealer network, RTR is critical. I’m excited about Aptera being part of a RTR paradigm shift and enthused about learning how to diagnose and repair what I reasonably can.

  • my_discord_number_is_0328 bloody stupid

    Member
    October 11, 2021 at 5:05 pm
  • Ron Ledohowski

    Member
    November 18, 2021 at 10:34 am

    Apple will officially support people repairing their own iPhones for the first ever time. Self Service Repair will allow customers to buy genuine Apple parts …

    https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/apple-officially-let-people-fix-140101121.html

    • George Hughes

      Member
      November 19, 2021 at 3:52 pm

      The dynamism of the right to repair movement is based on the understanding that we need to change from a ‘disposable’ society, where the gimmick is to use as much stuff to make as much stuff as we can with the big plan being to throw stuff away faster than we make it so there is always increasing demand.

      This belief is based on the basic understanding – dare I say fallacy – that economic growth is exponential with absolutely no limit as to consumption and disposal to justify more consumption.

      Fashion has been one of the main drivers of this move but the point is the wasteful ways have consequences – dire consequences.

      The right to repair movement is literally aiming to shift ‘improvements’ from adoption in newly manufactured models to repair, and when feasible, direct improvement from existing or legacy products.

      Discounting this trend, and the apple change is indicative of this change, is what will drive the conversion to EVs.

      The problem is cost; particularly the cost of refurbishing the donor car, which is often a cherished, albeit, rusty donor like a MGB or classic mini or VW bus from the ’60s – literal classics.

      The breakthrough will come when someone chooses as their base a relatively popular car like, say the Camry or classic F-150, both of which could be hybridized with in-wheel motors.

      Alternatively, crate electric motors like that from Mustang or Bolt, could also be fitted to the tons of FWD ICE cars like the classic Taurus in kit form with an added 30kwh battery for a complete retrofit. Even some conversion proponents are ‘manufacturing’ complete – battery and motor – replacements of traditional engines with crate motors that look like a V-8 with transmission that bolt-in. An additional battery pack in addition to the ‘crate motor/battery/inverter/controller’ would likely give even a Taurus or Escort a 100 mile range with a roomy, cushy, classic cabin.

      The trick will be that customers will be responsible for removing the ICE and cleaning up the chassis to the point of simplifying the installation. When the cost of the retro-fit drops under $15,000 and can be accomplished in less than a day on a clean install (motor/preliminary work already done), then the prospect of a professional retrofit will find its market in the minds of those who embrace right to repair.

      But it only makes sense if it is good enough and cheap enough.

      You have to remember that if it is good enough, what will be converted are the Escalades, M-Bs and other luxury cars whose engines and transmissions are kaput but are otherwise ‘nice.’

      Of course the kicker is regardless, the retrofitted cars were manufactured on the old paradigm of steel, welded, heavy construction – kind of like all the EVs all the traditional car companies are making today ‘because that’s how we make cars’ the voices from Detroit say in unison.

      Bottom line, the Aptera, with its composite cabin design and lean-manufacturing assembly process, is by definition capable of producing cars for transportation at a unit cost less than a retrofit with greater reliability. In addition, the Aptera won’t rust.

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