Tire info and service (change, rotation, air, etc)

Aptera Community Aptera Discussions Tire info and service (change, rotation, air, etc)

Aptera Community Aptera Discussions Tire info and service (change, rotation, air, etc)

  • Tire info and service (change, rotation, air, etc)

     John Voules updated 6 days, 13 hours ago 101 Members · 352 Posts
  • kerbe2705

    Member
    August 25, 2022 at 4:44 pm
  • Lane Costilow

    Member
    August 25, 2022 at 4:53 pm

    They also make minimal-clearance snow chains.

    • Dennis Swaney

      Member
      August 25, 2022 at 5:23 pm

      And there are snow socks for tires.

    • Frank Chandler

      Member
      September 20, 2022 at 6:19 pm

      Snow chains are good for short distances at low speeds, in extreme circumstances. They are a hassle to put on, and the cross-chains (or cables in low-profile “chains”) break easily. When a cross-chain or cable breaks, it acts as a 9-inch flail that beats the surrounding cowling into pieces.

  • Eric Caldwell

    Member
    August 26, 2022 at 2:30 pm

    I found the same Vredestein tires that Bob mentioned, both in an all-season and a winter variety. Also found a Pirelli winter tire in the 195/45R16 format.

    Can’t speak to the performance of any of them. I’ve been using Michelin X-Ice for all seasons here in Southeast Alaska for many years and would have preferred having that as an option.

    • LoveAptera YokeDealbreaker

      Member
      August 29, 2022 at 5:18 pm

      I have sworn by Michelin X-Ice tires on all my vehicles for decades now, no exceptions, as we drive by all the SUVs crashed into ditches with their “all season” tires!

  • James Gatan

    Member
    August 27, 2022 at 12:00 am

    Costco has the UHP All Season Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3+

    Tire Size: 195/45R16/XL

    Speed Rating: V

    Load Index: 84

    UTQG: 500 AA A

    Run Flat: No

    Warranty: 45k miles

    Season: All-Season

    The Pilot Sport A/S 3+ is Michelin’s ultimate Ultra High Performance All-Season tire combining summer levels of wet and dry grip with cold weather and snow mobility.

    Tire Benefits

    • Dominate summer with more dry grip than a leading competitive max performance summer tire.
    • Control the moment with the shortest braking – wet or dry – of leading competitive all-season UHP tires.
    • Shrug off winter with 28% better snow traction than the MICHELIN Pilot Sport A/S 3.

    Tire Features

    • Corner with exacting control. Our Variable Contact Patch 3.0 spreads cornering pressures evenly over the contact patch for more grip and control, plus long-lasting tires.
    • You’re in control, even when the weather is trying to take over. Our groundbreaking Extreme Silica+ compound stays grippy when wet, while large rain grooves and 3-D sipes help prevent hydroplaning.
    • A little ice or snow won’t slow you down, thanks to advanced Helio+ Technology<sup>™</sup> that’s built to stick even in the cold. Plus, hidden Biting Edges grab loose snow for fast starts and stops.The Pilot® Sport A/S 3+ is Michelin’s ultimate Ultra High Performance All-Season tire combining summer levels of wet and dry grip with cold weather and snow mobility.

      Tire Benefits
      Dominate summer with more dry grip than a leading competitive max performance summer tire.*Footnote One
      Control the moment with the shortest braking – wet or dry – of leading competitive all-season UHP tires.**Footnote Two
      Shrug off winter with 28% better snow traction than the MICHELIN® Pilot® Sport A/S 3.***Footnote Three
      Tire Features
      Corner with exacting control. Our Variable Contact Patch 3.0 spreads cornering pressures evenly over the contact patch for more grip and control, plus long-lasting tires.
      You’re in control, even when the weather is trying to take over. Our groundbreaking Extreme Silica+ compound stays grippy when wet, while large rain grooves and 3-D sipes help prevent hydroplaning.
      A little ice or snow won’t slow you down, thanks to advanced Helio+ Technology™ that’s built to stick even in the cold. Plus, hidden Biting Edges grab loose snow for fast starts and stops.

    • https://tires.costco.com/Product?ItemNo=1134012&tirename=michelin-pilot-sport-a/s-3+&partno=63711&width=195&aspect=45&rim=16https://tires.costco.com/Product?ItemNo=1134012&tirename=michelin-pilot-sport-a/s-3+&partno=63711&width=195&aspect=45&rim=16

  • Edward Goodson II

    Member
    September 2, 2022 at 5:39 am

    One of the things I thought about that should be addressed. How difficult is it to change a tire? Is there a place to put a jack on that back third wheel? Does the inner wheel motor complicate changing the tire?One of the things I thought about that should be addressed. How difficult is it to change a tire? Is there a place to put a jack on that back third wheel? Does the inner wheel motor complicate changing the tire?

  • OZ (It’s OZ, Just OZ)

    Member
    September 2, 2022 at 5:44 am

    It won’t be a problem. You can use the search bar towards the top of the page for several threads that cover this subject.

  • Len Nowak

    Moderator
    September 2, 2022 at 5:46 am

    This has been answered in many threads.

    The short of the long…

    The wheel covers are suppose to unclip for access.

    Although a recent Aptera YouTube Debunk video showed Aptera being lifted on a development vehicle it has not shown a fully dressed production vehicle yet…

    The wheel removal and replacement is the same as a conventional wheel

    As you know there will be a Fix A Flat type of repair kit.. No spare ( weight conservation like many vehicles these days)

    I hope that helps

    • Dennis Swaney

      Member
      September 2, 2022 at 7:43 am

      Unfortunately, people tend to think that Fix-A-Flat type kits are the be all end all; they are not. They are good (when they work) for slow leaks and are intended to be a temporary fix to get you to a tire repair shop. They are totally useless for large blowouts caused by road debris; in that case you need at least a temporary spare. I plan on getting the lightest, smallest temporary spare that will fit over the motors and a very light weight jack.

    • Kevin Bradbury

      Member
      September 2, 2022 at 7:53 am

      @Len Nowak – “No spare ( weight conservation like many vehicles these days)”

      It’s probably weight conservation for Aptera, but it’s definitely COST conservation for the many other vehicles these days.🤑

      @Dennis Swaney – For tire damage that a plug won’t fix, I keep my light weight spare in my wallet. It’s my Roadside Assistance membership card.🤓

      • OZ (It’s OZ, Just OZ)

        Member
        September 2, 2022 at 7:56 am

        Hey, some of those inflatable car jacks are pretty light, just stick it under the car and put the hose over your exhaust, and in no tim………..never mind.

        • GLENN ZAJIC

          Member
          September 2, 2022 at 2:30 pm

          OZ😆

      • Dennis Swaney

        Member
        September 2, 2022 at 8:13 am

        So you let them haul you to a tire repair shop, Kevin? AAA doesn’t repair or replace tires, they just install the spare. And what if the blowout happens on a weekend when the repair shops are closed?

        • Kevin Bradbury

          Member
          September 2, 2022 at 8:20 am

          I wasn’t even thinking of AAA since it will likely be insured on a motorcycle policy. I already have a motorcycle policy and it comes with it’s own roadside assistance. If that don’t work, I’ll figure something out.

          • Dennis Swaney

            Member
            September 2, 2022 at 8:30 am

            OK. I’ve had AAA for 50 years and the only other assistance I’ve heard of was that provided by some auto manufacturers during the warranty period. I can see the need for something different for motorcycles, however.

  • Peter Jorgensen

    Member
    September 2, 2022 at 1:26 pm

    How to change a tire on an Aptera:

    https://youtu.be/YNvcr9jBcTo?t=94

    • Dennis Swaney

      Member
      September 2, 2022 at 7:22 pm

      That is all well and good IF you are in your garage at home when the flat happens! What I’d like to see is they make a video showing how to change a blown out tire several miles away from home without a jack, lug wrench, spare tire, and no cell service.

  • Jeffrey May

    Member
    September 2, 2022 at 3:06 pm

    It’s a legit concern IMO. That said, I bought my first EV 10 years ago and I haven’t had an OEM-included spare since then, and I don’t worry about it much. My strategy to alleviate the “spare-less anxiety” has been twofold:

    1. I always keep an emergency kit in my trunk with a scissor jack, a 12V inflator, and a tire plug kit in case I get a flat with repairable puncture leak.

    2. I bought a compatible spare wheel on EBay, keep it in my garage, and throw it in the trunk only when going on long trips.

    When driving around relatively close to home, I figure if I get a flat I can call a friend or family member to bring the spare to me, or even get an Uber to take me home to retrieve it.

    Fortunately I’ve never had to use my emergency kit or my spare tire. But it’s reassuring to know those options are there if I ever need it. The only significant downside is the cargo space that the spare takes up while on road trips.

  • kerbe2705

    Member
    September 3, 2022 at 12:35 pm
    • John Voules

      Member
      September 3, 2022 at 1:33 pm

      Good to watch especially if you are new to evs. My i3 tires will last 20k miles if I’m lucky.

      My hope is that APTERA supplies the vehicle with the most efficient long range tire. Buyers who have special needs should cater to their specific application. Snow, summer mud & snow, winter ties and so on.

      Purchasing, storing and supplying several varieties of tires would definitely increase the cost for the seller. I believe it is good to start out lean and possibly add for options as the company grows.

  • Frank Chandler

    Member
    September 18, 2022 at 12:20 am

    My understanding is that Aptera is not presently planning to have a spare tire (I’d rather have a spare tire than a third seat, though with luck the third seat would get used much more. I’ll be putting a spare in my Aptera whenever it arrives). I have been thinking about the logistics of changing the rear tire, particularly on a freeway with cars whizzing by at 70mph (115kmh), or on a muddy dirt road. I’m 73, but even if I were 25 I wouldn’t want to be trying to jack up and remove the rear tire from under the battery module.

    I come from a civil construction background: in hard rock quarries or on highway projects that require blasting we often fill the tires with flexible polyurethane foam. That way even a rock cut (puncture) you could put your hand through doesn’t result in a flat tire. The foam weighs about 1.75 to 2.1 lbs. per CF (6 lbs. for a P205-45R16 tire) so it wouldn’t radically change the weight distribution, The feel of a foamed tire is identical to a normal pneumatic tire, at least for the rear tire. The only difference is that it will never go flat. The only time most people would ever need to change the tire is when it runs out of tread (every 5-10 years). At that time one can pick the time and place to change it. We northerners would be changing tires twice a year, but the tire change place would be putting it on a lift to make the change.

    Foamed rear tires are the way to go (and a spare pneumatic front tire behind the seats would ensure that one arrives at his destination, in one piece).

    • Dennis Swaney

      Member
      September 18, 2022 at 3:09 pm

      I had that done on my riding lawn mower tires 20 years ago!

  • Riley …

    Member
    September 18, 2022 at 1:11 am

    I never knew people filled tires with foam and from a quick googling of it looks like it increases rolling resistance and the added weight could amplify the unsprung weight issue. If you are comfortable with these quirks than you should go for it and post results of efficiency/handling results for us to see. I personally want to find a permanent airless tire replacement and there are a few new technologies on the horizon that look promising.

  • Ray Holan

    Moderator
    September 18, 2022 at 5:32 am

    Hi, Frank from a fellow 73. There’s always the inflator can approach — product injects a slimy foam along with enough air to inflate the tire. Not perfect. It’s temporary and limited, but might be enough to get you to a garage or off the freeway to a safe place.

    • Paul Kirchner

      Member
      September 18, 2022 at 7:54 am

      I’ve always carried a tire plug kit in every car and so have never used the slime in the can that came with the Fiat. I’ve always wondered if the tire can be repaired normally after using the slime in the can to temporarily get the car to a shop? In the back of my mind, I shy away from using it not knowing if it affects the tire permanently.

      • John Voules

        Member
        September 18, 2022 at 8:26 am

        Typically tire shops hate it when owners use foam or slime to temporarily inflate a bad tire. Before the tire can be repaired it would need to be cleaned…not a fun process. As far as I know once that it’s cleaned, other than the plugged up whole, you should have an almost normal functioning tire although life of the tire may diminish a bit quicker depending on the location of the plug.

        • kerbe2705

          Member
          September 18, 2022 at 11:30 am

          @John Voules AND the goop/slime/foam tends to destroy the tire pressure sensor.

  • Howard Robertson

    Member
    September 18, 2022 at 6:45 am

    I’ve been driving for 38 years and I’ve been fortunate to not have a blowout or a flat time. This while averaging 20k miles a year for work. Nevertheless, I still have AAA because it is a cheap insurance to have.

    What do motorcycle owners do when they get a flat?

    • Peter Dezendorf

      Member
      September 18, 2022 at 10:20 am

      If it is the rear tire, pull off the road. If it is the front tire, crash.

      Then call roadside assistance.

  • Joshua Rosen

    Member
    September 18, 2022 at 8:07 am

    It’s not complicated, the answer is three letters, AAA. I have 200 mile towing, it doesn’t cost very much. 200 miles is enough to get me from anywhere to a tire shop near my home where I can buy a new tire and have it installed by people who have the skills and equipment to change a tire. The Aptera is not a Rivian, it’s not meant to drive into the wilderness, it’s always going to be on a road where a flat bed tow truck can get to it.

    • Ron Glossin

      Member
      September 18, 2022 at 12:00 pm

      I’m hoping the Michelin Uptis will be available by production time.

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  • Frank Chandler

    Member
    September 19, 2022 at 4:07 pm

    My understanding is that Aptera doesn’t plan to provide a spare tire & wheel. I would much rather see a spare tire than a third seat.

    Also, it will be difficult to change the third mono-wheel tire in the event of a flat. In construction we often foam tires of loaders, etc. that operate in quarries, so that rock cuts you can put your hand through won’t cause a flat. The tire is filled with flexible polyurethane foam. A P205/45-R16 tire would take about 6 lbs. of foam: negligible for weight & balance. The only time the tire would need replacement would be when it wears off it’s tread. I plan to foam my rear tire, and to carry a spare for the pneumatic front tires.

  • John Voules

    Member
    September 19, 2022 at 4:14 pm

    Foaming not usually recommended as it may impede your TPMS system…which in itself monitors your tire pressure. 3rd seat option is truly welcomed news though. I personally plan on having winter and summer wheels and tires and will rely on the off-season set to supply me with a spare for long distance driving.

    • John Wiley

      Member
      September 19, 2022 at 7:00 pm

      Has anyone considered having the 3rd seat facing backwards? Dumb idea?

      • Kevin Bradbury

        Member
        September 19, 2022 at 8:39 pm

        @John Wiley – For child size passengers, it would be akin to how infant car seats are installed and could be a safe and sound idea. For a larger passenger, there would not be leg room except for straight out in front of them. I would find that uncomfortable after a short amount of time. Not to mention the lack of head room behind the front seats.

        For any size passenger, it could be an unpleasant experience with a rear solar hatch.

        In conclusion, it falls somewhere between dumb and good idea. Closer to good.

  • Frank Chandler

    Member
    September 19, 2022 at 4:35 pm

    What will the maximum Size tire diameter be within the wheel v well and wheel covers? I recommend 28” for 16” wheels, so that aggressive mud & snow tires can be installed.

  • harold labonte

    Member
    September 19, 2022 at 6:43 pm

    Frank, a couple of auto ago i had a mini cooper S. this thing had a lot of torque and was tough on tires. the Mini came with Run flat tires. there was no spare. if you order the two wheel motor version, wear on the rear wheel will be much less i’m thinking. It is Aptera’s responsibility to make these maintenance events easy. Perhaps they have thought about all of these things and could comment.

    Harold

  • Frank Chandler

    Member
    September 20, 2022 at 1:24 pm

    I’m going to want to run P205/55R16, or even P205/75R16 studded snow tires in winter. I have asked for information on the maximum tire diameter that will fit on an Aptera. This looks like a great opportunity for after-marketers to produce custom wheel pants.

    Also: I plan to foam the rear tire no matter what. A foamed tire will never go flat, and it only adds 6 lbs. to the weight. I don’t care to think about changing the rear tire on the side of a freeway or on a hill on a gravel road. I’m just not interested in working on my hands and knees under the back half of the vehicle.

    P.S.: I’ll also carry a spare for the pneumatic front tires.

    • John Wiley

      Member
      September 20, 2022 at 5:29 pm

      Could you please tell us how to search for a reliable place for tire foam filling? This is a totally new thing to me.

      • Dennis Swaney

        Member
        September 20, 2022 at 7:22 pm

        When I was in Oroville, California I had my riding mower tires filled at the Les Schwab tire shop in town. Ask around your town/area if any of the tire shops do it.

    • Len Nowak

      Moderator
      September 21, 2022 at 2:19 pm

      Careful

      I have this reply from Aptera:

      Our Delta vehicles will go through rigorous stability control tests, as well as dynamic ride handling tuning. Aptera’s safety system is calibrated to optimal performance using the production intended tires. The added weight and stiffer compliance of aftermarket foam-filled tires may adversely affect ABS, stability control, and dynamic handling. Therefore, we advise against preemptively filling the tires with foam.

      Both full and donut 50/mi/50mph spares are for good reason increasingly rare in modern vehicles. Foam fill / fix-a-flat solutions are generally acceptable to allow customers to get safely to service, at reduced speed. Preventative filling of a tire with other than intended air or nitrogen gas has a long loss of safety and comfort effects. I would personally not ever consider this.”

      I hope that helps

  • Vernon Sinnott

    Member
    September 21, 2022 at 9:38 am

    I just saw a commercial for this on TV. It could be good for the Aptera tires.<div>
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    • OZ (It’s OZ, Just OZ)

      Member
      September 21, 2022 at 2:24 pm

      Good info Len, Thanks

      • Len Nowak

        Moderator
        September 21, 2022 at 2:43 pm

        I am glad their is so much excitement

        I want only good outcomes for us all/Aptera

        I will carry a Aptera production size tire/wheel myself on my long treks , keeping it in my garage should I need for a back up to a local repair

        (My local Discount Tire store manager invited me to come over with an Aptera to train his team on proper Aptera tire repair! I love their service over the years and would be proud! I look forward to Aptera instructions and….perhaps training on a future visit.)

  • Frank Chandler

    Member
    September 21, 2022 at 6:00 pm

    I’m surprised that adding 6 lbs. to the weight of the rear tire would have a detrimental effect on ABS, stability control, or dynamic handling. It seems to me that 6 lbs in the rear compartment would have more effect on center of gravity and handling characteristics than a static load at wheel level, but my understanding is that an Aptera could carry 500 lbs. safely in the rear.

  • Frank Chandler

    Member
    September 21, 2022 at 6:15 pm

    I live in Alaska and I won’t necessarily be close to a tire shop to fix a flat. I don’t envision that crawling under the body and trying to find a Schraeder valve in the mud, snow, and ice will be a pleasant experience, even if I were to use fix-a-flat. I’m not sure if fix-a-flat even works in sub-freezing or sub-zero temperatures.

    That brings up another concern: the wheel pants for all 3 wheels appear to be too close to the ground to even find the schraeder valve! That is a problem, and a related problem is that a pothole could destroy the shrouds. I think Aptera would be well-advised to keep the wheel shrouds (all 3) at axle-height, or an inch higher.

    • Len Nowak

      Moderator
      September 21, 2022 at 6:43 pm

      The Gamma is not the final wheel design and we have not yet seen the Off Road version, which was once mentioned to be about two inches higher than the final standard GC

      Yeah my wife’s ordered EV have fix a flat. Pretty common these days on electric car to minimize weight. My son’s i3 had it too….

      🤞

    • Sam Adams

      Member
      September 21, 2022 at 7:00 pm

      Not sure what they were thinking dropping it so low for the show but the standard 5″ height remains.

  • Matthew Crawford

    Member
    September 23, 2022 at 6:01 pm

    A thought occurred to me while watching videos from the gamma reveal. With the wheel covers in place you can’t really see the tires at all. Is there going to be any kind of system to monitor the tread and warn when the tires need to be replaced? Or should we expect to have to take the covers off every month or 2 and check the tires as a routine?

    • John Voules

      Member
      September 23, 2022 at 7:39 pm

      Expect the factory Delta version to have the original stated height of tire clearance for wheel hood of 5” clearance. The Gamma was used in a more dramatic effect of have just about 3” clearance. I’m hoping that few inches should show at least some visual thread ware. There will also be a tpms tire sensor in each tire for air pressure. I’m not thinking this will be a worry.

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