MemberDecember 7, 2022 at 1:22 pm
I am curious about people’s choice of range for their Aptera.
My reservation is for a 600 mile option, even though I know that the 400 mile option would easily satisfy 99% of my “needs”. The extra range is for “desires”. 🙂
Of course, 92% of the time I would do okay even with the 250 mile pack, there are those weekends and occasional trips where more is desirable.
Trips to visit family tend to be 300 or 700 miles. Of course, 300 miles is no challenge for any of the pack options and 700 miles COULD (just barely) be done as a two stop trip with the 250 mile pack and very easily so with the 400 mile pack. This assumes ready access to quick chargers / Superchargers. On the Interstate highway system this is rarely an issue, especially with access to Tesla Superchargers.
Other ‘sightseeing’ trips become more of a challenge. On the other than family visit trips, I prefer to take state highways and even back roads to make the trip more interesting. A trip is often more than just a destination. One challenge of this is that away from the Interstate highway system quick chargers and Superchargers are few and far between. One route that I might take a couple of times a year, I would go close to 300 miles before coming close to a quick/Supercharger. Yep, 400 mile would get me there, with some reserve range too. Still, that stop might not be convenient, so the 600 mile option would make things rather more convenient. This trip involves camping, so the extra reserve would come in handy there too.
Even on the 700 mile family trips, the 600 mile option would make life considerably easier. This could be an easy one charge stop trip with that stop being 30-45 minutes for a charge while taking bio-break and having a quick late lunch. Yes, I do make frequent short stops at rest areas, five minutes or so for a bio-break and stretch the legs. If there were chargers at rest areas it would really change the equation (oh well). A 400 mile pack would make this a two charge stop trip. Not horrible, but less convenient.
Now… I might make a family trip about three times a year and other trips three or four times a year. Six to eight trips a year might be a weak argument for the 600 mile pack, but that’s still my choice barring a significant price increase. In the case of a significant price increase, I could make do with the 400 mile option. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
What is the real range at 70MPH?
Charge range / stops:
400 mile pack: 100%-10% (max practical range) = 360 mi. 10%-80% charge, about an hour given 50KW max and guessing that it might maintain that for about half of the charge. 80%-10% range = 280 mi. So a maximum practical one stop trip would be 640 miles. A maximum 2 stop trip would be 960 miles – more than a full day of driving for me, and that would include 2 hours of charging. 🙁
600 mile pack: 100%-10% = 540 mi. 10%-80% (~420 mi.) charge would likely take just over an hour assuming that the 66KWH pack would sustain the 50KW rate for a greater percentage of the charge time than the 44KWH pack would. This would give the same 960 LONG day drive with one stop that the 400 mi. pack would get with two stops and almost an hour more of charging time.
Even at my best, only a few times have I driven more than about 800 miles in a day. A 600 mile pack would give me an hour shorter day or an additional ~70 miles more than a 400 mile pack would. Either way would be a significant convenience about once a year. Of course, since I anticipate retiring around the same time that I might take delivery of my Aptera, I just might do a bit more traveling that I do now. 🙂
That’s my story, so what is your range choice and why?
MemberDecember 7, 2022 at 1:39 pm
I’ve reserved the 600 mile version because that would be a step change over my Tesla. The range on my Tesla @90% is 250 miles. In good weather I can beat that by a bit in bad weather it’s worse. We do day trips every weekend except in the winter. I’ve been keeping track of the distances, the longest trip is 450 miles and the typical trip is 350. WIth the 600 mile version the realistic range is 480, assuming a 90% charge and a 10% buffer on the low end. That means that in theory we could do our longest trips with no Supercharger stops and no worries. By contrast we always need at least one Supercharger stop in the Tesla. Last Saturday we went to Rockport Maine for dinner, 400 miles roundtrip. It was cold and rainy so it required three Supercharger stops, worse one of the stops was when we only had 5% left. The 600 mile Aptera could have done that trip with no required stops, although we still would have done the Kennebunk Maine Service Plaza because that’s our preferred bathroom stop.
MemberDecember 7, 2022 at 1:48 pm
I settled on the 400 mile range as a compromise between range and affordability. Originally I wanted the 1000 range as my long-distant trips usually result in 600+ miles and about 10 hours per day. These days include a 5 -10 minute bio-break every two hours with the mid-day “lunch break” adding another 10 minutes.
The 250 mile version was too short ranged but the 600 mile model is higher priced than I could probably afford as I live on a fixed income. Then when Aptera decided push orders of the 600 (& 1000) mile models to the rear of production, my life expectancy became a higher factor. So I opted for the 400 miler; I do plan on asking how much of a delay switching to a 600 miler when Aptera says I’m next in the queue. I may even add AWD at that time.
MemberDecember 7, 2022 at 2:04 pm
I, too, went with 600 miles for nearly all the same reasons. I find it interesting that we are in the minority as this is the least popular model. I would have expected this to be more popular than the 1,000 mile. I live in the Boston area so cold winters will reduce range. I plan to use this vehicle going back and forth to Florida where I have place. In Florida, I do not have a garage for private charging, so extra range just makes it much easier to charge at my convenience. An extra 200 miles for ~$5k was a no brainer to me because it truly sets itself apart from competition and gives me more freedom. When traveling, I don’t want to be stuck charging in the NYC area, so the 600 mile version allows me to get well past the city area. Additionally, I also considered that the 600 mile version is more likely to be 480 in use (10-90%) and less in the winter. Finally, my last consideration was that for this type of vehicle, the biggest wear part on it is the battery. I don’t think it will be expensive to maintain other parts, so with the bigger battery, I get fewer cycles and more longevity of the car. As the battery degrades to 70, I still have a car that can go 420 miles rather than 280 on the 400 mile version. Looking out 10 years whether I want to sell it or keep it, that is much more attractive to me.
MemberDecember 7, 2022 at 2:33 pm
I reserved the 400 mile 40 m/d solar charge package. I live on off grid on Hawai’i island and the most I could travel in a day is 300 miles. The charging opportunities here are few and unreliable. On one occasion my 330 mile range Tesla MY got as low as 8 miles left, so the 250m Aptera may be cutting it too close. I’m hoping to be able to get my Aptera when my Tesla lease is up in 2 years. That’s cutting it close too!
MemberDecember 7, 2022 at 5:08 pm
I reserved a 400 mile range Aptera. Not really because I’d ever use even half that, but because it was said would be the 1st produced & I rather get an Aptera sooner than later. The one acceptation to this is that I do plan to travel some, once I do get my Aptera. Wouldn’t be very often, maybe once every year, if that. I’m currently in MA, but would love to drive down to FL. Can’t make the full trip on a single charge with the 400 mile battery, but it could do about half the trip. At that half I’d likely stop to charge both the Aptera and myself… assuming we can sleep at charge stations? 🤣
MemberDecember 7, 2022 at 5:59 pm
400 mile because I want AWD / Offroad and want to go 400km in winter.
PS: No extra solar – dogs want to see out and I park in a garage
MemberDecember 7, 2022 at 6:08 pm
I chose the 1000 mile option and all wheel drive. I live in Alaska where there are not yet very many charging stations, so most of my charging will be home or slow charging.
It gets pretty cold here, in the winter and the battery can get worked hard due to cold, running the heater a lot, and extra load driving through snow or on ice with wheel slip. I also would be more likely to take longer trips in our big state, or even drive the Alcan highway to the lower states. As others have stated the degrading over time of the battery and wanting to keep this vehicle for years to come made the 1000 mile option the best for me. A vehicle like this one has been a dream of mine for over 33 years. I am so glad to see someone bring it to reality.
MemberJanuary 8, 2023 at 12:05 am
Hi Reuben, I’m in Alaska, too, though, in southeast, AK. I currently get by with my 84-mile range 2015 Nissan LEAF given our road system is only about 60 miles long and my daily commute is only 20 miles round trip. I plan to reserve the 400-mile range for the few times I may choose to take the car up north to Canada or interior Alaska, and AWD to get up the snowy hill to my place in the winter. I say the few times I may go north, because usually when I go up there I prefer to travel by motorcycle. Around home with the 400-mile range I won’t have to do mental calculations in the winter about how many more errand stops can I make in a day and where can I charge to be sure I can get back home. Even the 250-mile range would be more than adequate for that, but the option for a trip to Fairbanks with the car could be fun. Though, I would have to wait for charging stations to be installed on that side of the state. I think they are prioritizing the rail belt first from Anchorage to Fairbanks.
- This reply was modified 3 weeks, 2 days ago by Mike Dilger.
ModeratorDecember 7, 2022 at 6:39 pm
Everyone’s different. 250 miles (AWD) will be fastest, if that’s your thing. 1000 miles seems to need a specific requirement to justify carrying all that extra weight 100% of the time.
400 miles is an improvement over my Tesla and I’ve had no problem with that in the last two years. Future public charging will be even easier. Aptera will charge “faster”, in miles-per-minute, Level 1, 2, or DC, so “topping up” will be easier. Six to eight hours of driving in the sun is also a plus the Tesla does not have. The combination argued in favor of avoiding the extra weight of the 600 mile battery.
MemberDecember 7, 2022 at 7:19 pm
I went with 400 miles + AWD.
80% charge gives me “320miles”, my weekly commute is 300 miles alone. with 24mi regen/day*7days = 168 miles back each week.
Charge every 2nd weekend, just like my gas car with the same commute.
Consistency, I am aiming for consistency with my gas car.
MemberDecember 8, 2022 at 7:00 am
600 miles. My family lives 580 miles south of us and my bride’s family lives 630 miles to our north. 600 gives us enough to be able to stop at our leisure rather than stopping because the vehicle needs it.
MemberDecember 8, 2022 at 7:16 am
I picked the 400 mile range because I frankly like to stop and look around when I travel. I doubt I will even drive 400 miles before I want to get out and see what’s around me on long trips. More like 300miles. The other 100 is a buffer.
We live between the beaches and the mountains and neither takes even 300 miles to get there. This will cover us very nicely.
MemberDecember 8, 2022 at 8:46 am
I picked the 600 mile version, parents live about 300 miles away and the range would allow me to get there and back without the need to charge.
ModeratorDecember 8, 2022 at 9:02 am
I picked the 250 mile range because it’s cheaper, less weight and therefore less inertia to overcome, and I don’t intend to do long trips in the Aptera since my wife her Subaru for our road trips. Happy wife = Happy life.
MemberDecember 8, 2022 at 9:10 am
I know every time I stop, people will go out of their way to ask about the Aptera. I will tell them this Aptera goes 600 miles on a single charge, cost less than $40k, and I have not needed to plug it in for months.
This statement alone, will cause 1 out of 10 people whom ask about the Aptera to seriously consider buy one for themselves.
MemberDecember 9, 2022 at 11:25 am
I chose both the 1000mi because I make over half a dozen single day trips a year between 600 and 700mi for my routine landscape photography trips. While I have 1 group of family 390mi south, another is 597mi north, yet another is 1784mi west. Given my years of professional long distance driving, and 70 to 80mph interstates most of the way, that would be 980 to 1120mi daily driving range. If I can find a place near my destinations to charge overnight, why waste over an hour or multiple hours recharging mid-trip depending on lower battery size?
I’ve heard about next generation solid state batteries that can recharge much faster, and might consider lesser ranged vehicles once those batteries start getting used. I currently drive a 18gal fuel tank ICE with a 450mi range (poor MPG) and taking only a couple minutes to fully refuel isn’t a big deal.
MemberDecember 9, 2022 at 1:27 pm
I chose 1000.
I umpire baseball. It’s not unusual (at least a few times a year) where I drive 300+ miles to a baseball field, spend a few hours there, and then drive back home. These make for VERY long days even in the best of circumstances. The last thing I want to do is spend more time not-driving. Additionally, with cold weather reducing range of EVs, this gets me enough spare capacity that I don’t need to worry about it. I can charge at home nearly exclusively (unless I’m planning a road trip)
I looked at getting a different EV this last year (a Hyundai Kona), and by the time I divert my course so that I could get to charging stations and then do the actual charging, it changed my time on the road from 11 hours for my farthest trip to 19 hours.
MemberDecember 9, 2022 at 4:39 pm
I went with the 400 mile version because it is likely to get produced first. I also think the payload capacity will be higher than the 600 or 1000.
After I realized that the 400 mile range won’t happen going 80-85 I wish I would have opted for the 600 mile version. I may put in a back up reservation to potentially sell and upgrade my first reservation.
MemberDecember 10, 2022 at 12:24 pm
I’ve just ordered the 600 mi range for this very same reason:
“600 mile pack: 100%-10% = 540 mi. 10%-80% (~420 mi.) charge would
likely take just over an hour assuming that the 66KWH pack would sustain
the 50KW rate for a greater percentage of the charge time than the
44KWH pack would. This would give the same 960 LONG day drive with one
stop that the 400 mi. pack would get with two stops and almost an hour
more of charging time.”
MemberDecember 10, 2022 at 1:53 pm
I chose the 400mi variant (none other capacity considered), not due to its earlier release (a bonus) but to me it has the best balance of weight, practical driving range and cost. Thus I can add everything else I can afford and enjoy, that is available for the Aptera. Added AWD (faster/better handling & grip/safer, with only 3 wheels on terra firma to contend with), Full Solar (negates a bigger battery, SoCal DD use mainly), Off Road Kit (clears all driving and parking/curb obstacles), Safety Pilot (added safety buffer in a lightweight 3.5sec vehicle on 3 wheels) and just today, I’ve added Enhanced Audio (for only $600 for premium 3 channel audio, why not)..an even $36k, fully loaded.
MemberDecember 10, 2022 at 2:14 pm
Just placed my reservation for 600 miles with full solar because I live in Texas and 5oo mile days are not uncommon and I don’t always drive along the interstates where chargers are more common. With 6oo mile range I will stop for at least one meal where I could get enough charge for those longer days. Also the upcharge to 1000 miles would put my price over $40k.
MemberDecember 11, 2022 at 6:28 am
I’m about to reserve the 600 mile version with AWD, the drivers assist package and the full solar array. I like the idea of having plenty of capacity to take a long trip on a moments notice, or deal with the extra loads on the battery for heating or slogging through snow during the winter. I also want it in white with the really cool Vida orange accents in the interior!
MemberDecember 12, 2022 at 5:47 am
400 mile range. I have clusters of relatives about 300 miles east, and another about 320 miles south. I reckon the 400 will get me to either without requiring that I stop and charge along the way. Even then I’m likely to be happy enough to stop to stretch my legs, eat, maybe charge, etc. along the way. Both trips involve going over mountain passes so I’m unlikely to want to make the trip if weather is inclement enough adversely affect my range. In the extraordinarily unlikely event I want to drive further, I’m surely going to be happy enough to take a charge break along the way anyway.
I try not to consume more than I need. The 40kWh battery should be plenty for me.
MemberDecember 12, 2022 at 10:02 pm
I went with 600. My typical needs are less than 50 miles, but I have a daughter who lives 450 miles away. 400 would be fine for that trip, since there is zero chance I won’t plan a rest stop on the way. But… Batteries age, and in 10 years, I figure there will be a 10% drop in range. 400 becomes 360 in best conditions. But 600 is still able to complete the trip in 10 years without a stop. With heat and AC running, at 75 MPH, and all wheel drive.
MemberDecember 13, 2022 at 9:09 am
I just reserved the 400 mile range. This will be my first electric and our local trip vehicle. When I retire we will travel some, but will more than likely do it in our other vehicle. If charging is more available by then, this could become the travel vehicle. 400 seems like a good compromise to me. I had always said I would like to travel Chattanooga to Atlanta without having to charge and this would fit the bill nicely with a little cushion.
MemberJanuary 3, 2023 at 10:45 am
400 miles, which means about 640 km, which is the distance between my town and Montreal, so no recharge during a Summer trip, during winter 320 km means I could do a recharge at Louvicourt, then be good until Montcerf-Lytton, then go right through to Montreal. Hopefully the car will be able to charge more then 50 kW, Circuit-Electrique netwook have currently 50-100 kW Fast charger pretty std, in pack of 4 chargers. On the way back, charging at Tesla supercharger in Tremblant, quick charge at Montcert-Lytton then right-through home
MemberJanuary 4, 2023 at 4:01 pm
400 mile, full solar. Will be used to commute to work most of the time and for occasional short to medium range trips. Plenty of charging currently available locally and on routes for projected trips so no extra battery range needed.