Out first: Cybertruck or Aptera ?

[LordChad]

I’m going to cast my vote for Aptera. CyberTruck probably won’t be out till 24 or 25.

[curtis-cibinel]

Don’t care. Preordered both. I’ll get Aptera first (likely late 2024 to mid 2025) and I’ll get a cyber truck by 2026-7 (as base as possible). One goes distance/trips and the other is local utility.

[ROMAD]

So you’ll tow the Aptera with the CyberTruck between long haul destinations, then use the Aptera for local driving?

[curtis-cibinel]

No. The cybertruck will rarely leave the province. It will be for anything I need to haul around things / tow or do more seriously offroad. Aptera will be for most commutes or longer trips. Both can be used to run around town as needed for day to day stuff for me and my wife.

[Riley]

From my perspective tesla will deliver their first cybertruck December 2023.

Aptera will deliver 1 hand built pre-production vehicle December 2022. I hope they manage to build the first 1,000 by jun 2023 to the southern California area.

[Cam]

Aperta! I stopped counting all the delays Elon has come up with.

[S Patterson]

There’s only been two delays Elon has announced about the Cybertruck. If it delivers on the current ‘mid 2023’ it’ll only be 18 months late. Aptera, reservations opened a year later, but is already planned to be a year late, too.

So… The same delays?

[michael-ibarra]

I also have both Aptera and Cybertruck pre ordered. Hopefully I can afford to keep both otherwise I got to chose one or maybe whichever I can get first ..

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[Pragmatic_to_a_Fault]

Aptera hasn’t started crash testing yet, watch for another delay after said tests ( since aptera said it wants the auto cycle to perform like a car in the testing ). This delay will come in the form of another fluffy email about how aptera is looking out for you and your safety , which will be followed by the cultists praising aptera for looking out for them, the date will get pushed back another year to 18 months and 2 new round of crowd funding will happen where Chris will self evaluate the stock to now be $12-$15 a share , so you’ll get less for your investment…

[Greek]

Wow Patrick…yee have little faith. I guess you can actually say though that there are many that have a cult like following relationship with APTERA. I guess you can count me in! We are heading towards the final line…so far, between economic world restraints and through turbulent supply side constraints they seem to be progressing through it all. I think the cult following is from the top….the passion shown from top management is for me a cult I can follow. No one is more disappointed with delays than an investor and or cultist…I happen to be both. Still I try and reason before I judge.

[steven-g-bueche]

As I sit here drinking from my Aptera coffee mug, in my Aptera pajamas, looking out at the cardboard cutout of the Aptera in my driveway, a part of me died inside to read your comment. lol

The facts; Yes they’ll crash the Gamma. Some will pass, some will fail. That’s ok. Why? because there are cars on the road now that’s fail crash testing. Just have a look at the highway crash site to see some results. I’m getting this car regardless of crash results. I’ve seen the early test, I understand physics enough to know what happens when you hit an F1 constructed egg with a box on four wheels.

A cult? maybe. But if you’re gonna be in one why not one with good intentions?

[john-trotter]

Patrick Liebknecht. I would hope that crash testing is done virtually first and should even be happening about now. Of course final results will be with physical cars, but that should be confirmatory, not discovery. A year’s delay would kill everything and I expect Chris et al know that.

[jonah-jorgenson]

Patrick,

You are pretty far off the mark, but I suspect you know that. Engineering work is mostly done many months before a physical vehicle is competed. Now most of that engineering is done with high resolution simulation. It is tested iteratively and design modifications made in near real time to both bring performance into compliance with expectations and mods if needed to insure a safe vehicle. My guess the latest version of the Aptera has been tested thousands of times from individual components to the whole vehicle with environments that could not be replicated in the real world. As you know, some of the important components (Solar cells/arrays) are going through physical testing now.

In spite of all of the above, there is always something that is new when physical testing is conducted. But is is usually minor and more easily remediated.

This senior management team has gone through this before and know what they are doing and are taking measures to reduce the risk. They will be successful.

Another motivating factor, If Aptera delays again they are done. Other vehicles coming into the market will be competitive both on range, price, and features. The likelihood of raising additional capital to last another year to production will be minimal. They know this, and will do what is necessary to get a government approve production vehicle in the market place in 2023.

[marty-masterman]

Been waiting for the Aptera for about 10 years now, I’d put my $ on the Cybertruck closely followed by Aptera & then Vtol’s..BTW would love to see a VTOL option at some point…

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[christopher-barrett]

As the company seems to have nailed down the supply chain, and the assembly plant is almost ready, Delta a few weeks away, so will Aptera be on the road before Tesla Cyber Truck? Two extremely different rides, I am only interested in the Aptera, but it makes an interesting question, as to timing of the release of these vehicles.

[jesthorbjorn]

That’s a pretty fuzzy question. Cybertrucks and Apterae have been on the road for a few years (as prototypes). If you mean production vehicles then it is less clear, mostly because Tesla won’t say if any particular Cybertruck we may see is a “Delta” vehicle; to use Aptera’s term. If you mean a production vehicle put in the hands of a customer (not an employee) then there still seems a lot of steps to go for each. I favor the notion that it will be an Aptera due to the lesser regulatory hurdles, but with the relative opacity of Tesla, who knows.

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