MemberApril 2, 2022 at 8:22 am
I know it’s a small thing, but, it’s also an easily overlooked thing in the design process. I sincerely hope that the windshield wipers are not just a quick, slapped on thing, but instead get some time and attention. And some serious testing, preferably in a location outside of California that gets regular, serious rain.
When I sold my tesla, the windshield wipers were in the top 5 of things I didn’t like, and my sentiments are shared by a LOT of tesla owners. The auto wiper setup was a disaster – only working reliably less than half of the time, and also prone to turning on the wipers when they weren’t needed. The “manual” (on-screen) controls worked ok, but were difficult to use while at the same time keeping ones eyes on the road and valiantly trying to not to crash into barely seen vehicles. A dedicated control device (steering wheel stalk?) is preferable to lots of drivers, especially us older folks.
Apologies if this has been posted before – I just placed my pre-order last night, have not read everything yet.
MemberApril 2, 2022 at 8:44 am
You needn’t worry: With more than 100 engineers working on the vehicle I’m fairly certain that no one is going to forget the need for working wipers. As to the wiper control system, that’s TBD: Right now they’re working on suspension, the drivetrain and interior ergonomics.
I hope you used someone’s referral code and saved yourself $30!
FYI, wipers, window and body seals are usually tested in a spray booth where all sorts of weather situations can be simulated – testers don’t sit around waiting for rainy days… Also, Tesla’s auto-sensing wipers have improved markedly since 2020, as has the voice-control option.
MemberApril 2, 2022 at 8:47 am
Thank you! I had a 2018 model 3, I sincerely hope you’re right about the improvements.
MemberApril 3, 2022 at 6:17 am
Looks like you’re right, they’re not going to wait for a rainy day, “…testing the vehicle before it leaves the facility by spraying water hoses at it to test for leaks and lights to…” https://www.sdbj.com/news/2022/jan/31/aptera-scaling-big-2022/
MemberApril 2, 2022 at 8:58 am
I’m a Tesla owner also. There are a couple of things that are wrong with the way Tesla controls the wipers, they use the camera’s as the rain detector and the controls are on the screen rather than on a stalk. If the automatic wiper function worked reliably then the control issue wouldn’t be as important but Tesla’s mechanism doesn’t work nearly as well as dedicated rain detectors. I use the voice controls when I want to manually adjust the wipers, it’s safer than reaching for the screen. The right place for all controls that are necessary for driving is on a stalk. Directional indicators, gear shifters and wiper controls should all be on the wheel so that you can control them by touch. If the lights aren’t automatic the controls for them should also be easily controlled by touch without having to look, however there is no excuse for not having automatic lights these days, that technology is very reliable, they should also be auto-dimming. Speaking of lights I’d love for them to implement matrix LED headlamps now that they are legal in the US.
- This reply was modified 3 months ago by Joshua Rosen.
MemberApril 2, 2022 at 1:39 pm
I’m with you on the Matrix headlights. After seeing Bjorn Nyland’s night-time drive review of the VW ID3 I realised how much I would benefit from them. I’ve never been comfortable driving at the speeds others seem to go in the dark, weather because my night vision is poor, or because others are less interested in looking far ahead I don’t know.
There may be a problem with the constraints presented by the regulations that apply to lighting for Motorcycles, which apparently limit how far from the centre of the vehicle the headlight(s) can be. This is why the Beta render is a cyclops.
MemberApril 2, 2022 at 11:44 am
Not a small thing if you live in the Seattle WA area.
Nearly everybody in my immediate family drive Teslas of one sort or another. I drive a 2019 Model 3. The wipers took a bit to get use to but now I don’t think about them at all. My fingers go to the point on the screen/wiper menu and on or off they go. I can see how some people would be aggravated about the control. Voice activation seems to be the best alternative.
My father drove cars before controls were on stocks and before stock controls were standardized. I am sure he had the same trouble adjusting to stocks. 😄
There is one stock on the left side of the yoke in the beta rendering. I have no idea what it controls. I really don’t care where the controls are for the wipers or anything else. I am of the generation where we like things on screens.
I do trust the Aptera engineers to pay meticulous attention to wipers as they do to other Aptera subsystems.
MemberApril 2, 2022 at 2:09 pm
I sincerely hope that Aptera won’t follow Tesla and will provide a regular wiper stalk.
Sometimes you need only one swipe, sometimes more. Sometimes you need one spray, sometimes more. Sometimes you need the speed to be higher, sometimes lower. You might need all of the above in a 2 minute range depending on the amount of rain and road conditions.
The stalk is right at your fingertips and you don’t have to look at it to find, you just perform the needed operation. It’s impossible to do that through the touchscreen. Even though most of the cars have automated wipers that work pretty well, depending on the amount of rain you need to adjust the wipers manually from time to time.
MemberApril 2, 2022 at 4:22 pm
dials can be multipurpose, unlike stalks, and u can strch ur fingers around however u like on a long drive. dials can be sold as options too, for climate control or some personalized programmed purpose.
MemberApril 3, 2022 at 10:04 am
5 months ago in this forum: https://aptera.us/community/discussion/tesla-with-laser-windshield-wipers/