Aptera Towing and Transport

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Aptera Community Aptera Discussions Aptera Towing and Transport

  • Aptera Towing and Transport

     Jane Healy updated 1 week, 1 day ago 52 Members · 110 Posts
  • Carl Knapp Knapp

    Member
    September 4, 2021 at 12:32 pm

    When transporting the old CanAm Spyder I would use a flatbed auto carrier when it broke down which was fine for local service. This would have been the same case if I had a Polaris Slingshot which is also rear-wheel drive. Because the Aptera offers front-wheel drive would there be the option to turn off the rear-wheel-drive and offer a two-wheel dolly for the rear wheel so I could use a standard auto hauler to transport the vehicle across the country every six months instead of using a twice as expensive flatbed service?

  • Dan Stevens

    Member
    September 4, 2021 at 4:22 pm

    I’m pretty sure they could just ‘turn the motors off’ in a freewheel mode and you could flat tow the car. Unlike most other cars, I don’t think there is anything else that ‘spins’ and has lubrication issues, so this would make it easier than most with the in wheel motors.

    Unfortunately, I doubt doing this, testing it, having someone come up with the required baseplate for flat towing is not on the radar until after production is well under way.

    I also would like to have a simple method to transport the car behind my RV. It would make a great toad!

  • Carl Knapp Knapp

    Member
    September 4, 2021 at 7:35 pm

    I’m interested in a toad as well but to transport by a contract auto truck carrier it cost a lot more to ship using a flatbed because they can only ship three at a time versus an auto carrier which is up to nine.

  • Cosme Tome Melendez

    Member
    September 24, 2021 at 7:58 am

    Guys, I am figuring what is going on if my Aptera if for any reason it is out of service on the road, highway due low battery charge, a failure, or a simple break down that allows moving on its own wheels, etc. but need been pulled with a leach or rope from another helping driver?

    Does the Aptera ‘s nose has a pulley eye, or a threated base where install a hook or something similar? I had not seen anything in forum, discussions or either videos.

    Thank you for reading!

  • Jason Rowberg

    Member
    September 24, 2021 at 7:58 am

    Read an interesting article on Jalopnik this morning about a Tesla that broke down on the freeway and could not be moved. https://jalopnik.com/a-tesla-bricking-itself-on-the-highway-is-a-reminder-th-1847734019 — apparently this is a problem common to EV’s.

    I’m curious if the design for Aptera has included some safety features for allowing a disabled vehicle to be mechanically disengaged from the drive train, brakes, etc. so it can be easily moved out of traffic or towed with something other than a flatbed truck?

  • Morris Wilder

    Member
    September 24, 2021 at 9:19 am

    What a coincidence! I read that same article this morning. Interesting problem that I hope I will not experience in my Aptera.

  • Paul Evans

    Member
    September 24, 2021 at 9:23 am

    That’s definitely one that should be filed under “YIKES“! One of Aptera’s many differentiators is the in-wheel-motors. So maybe it’s a “feature” of BEV transmissions.

    I’m curious about how the parking/emergency break will work. Will it be manually engaged? If not, will total power loss automatically engage it?

    Maybe we’ll have to wait until the Beta model rolls out to learn more. It’s likely a question for the body controls team…..

    • kerbe2705

      Member
      September 24, 2021 at 9:58 am

      e-parking brakes – on Tesla and many other EVs – are motor-driven devices that screw a clamp onto one or more of the vehicle’s brake discs.

  • Peter Jorgensen

    Member
    September 24, 2021 at 9:45 am

    There is no drivetrain. The motor is directly in the wheel hub. So to turn the wheel, you must turn the motor. You can disengage the brakes and manually turn the motor if it has no power applied to it and/or it’s set up to reduce resistance to movement. But it’s always connected.

    We’ll have to see what options there are with beta vehicles. My Niro EV has a “P Release” button to release park if the car is dead.

    I’ve also heard of newer manual transmission ICE cars getting stuck with the electronic parking brake on and the battery dead – and they couldn’t be moved until the battery was jumped and the brake released.

    Always carry a little 12V jump box. They’re cheap and tiny and light and 12V EV batteries die fast and frequently.

  • Len Nowak

    Moderator
    September 24, 2021 at 2:02 pm

    Not worth asking Elaphe but Yes we will have to see how Aptera finalizes things

    I do remeber in a video with Chris and Steve where Chris was saying how light the Noir is and pushed it with one finger a very short distance

    But that was the first alpha vehicle and who knows l, if at that early stage, things were engaged representing production …

  • Binh Cheung

    Member
    September 25, 2021 at 12:34 pm

    It is direct drive depending if the parking brake is one of those automatic ones or not. My ZeroSR is direct drive via belt and if no throttle (bike on or off) will can be pushed if like in neutral.

  • Ray Holan

    Moderator
    October 15, 2021 at 1:57 pm

    I don’t own an RV and there may not be many prospective Aptera owners that do. However, I notice that many RV owners tow a spare ICE vehicle behind their diesel pusher motorhome. A sub 2,000 lb. Aptera would be a great spare vehicle. The light weight would not noticeably penalize the 8 mpg fuel consumption of a typical motorhome.

    Here’s a trailer for a three-wheeler with a 1,771 lb load capacity:

    https://stingertrailer.com/product/stinger-for-can-am-spyder/

    Unfortunately, it’s too small to fit an Aptera. Regardless, I’m sure someone with welding and engineering skills could come up with a variation of this that would accommodate an Aptera. Then too, a properly designed towbar for the RV to tow the Aptera might be a more elegant solution.

  • Paul Schultz

    Member
    October 15, 2021 at 8:17 pm

    I’ve had the same thought and think the Aptera would be an excellent vehicle to tow behind an RV. I could see using a front-wheel tow dolly with a front-wheel-drive Aptera. The rear wheel would be on the road and rolling freely. A tow dolly is a much lighter trailer but still provides protection to the front-wheel-drive motors of the Aptera.

    • Ray Holan

      Moderator
      October 16, 2021 at 4:53 am

      Hi, Paul. Thanks for your comments. I wondered about the wear and tear on the single rear wheel of the Aptera if the vehicle were to be towed with a tow bar keeping the two front wheels off the ground. Certainly would not seem to be a problem with the FWD model. Do you think towing an AWD model would do any damage to the hub motor? I’m inclined to think it would be OK.

      • Curtis Cibinel

        Member
        October 16, 2021 at 5:50 pm

        If it’s awd you would need a flatbed trailer. You can’t generally roll drive wheels on an ev when towing. The axial Flux motors might be different but I doubt it

  • Peter Jorgensen

    Member
    November 3, 2021 at 3:03 pm
  • Cosme Tome Melendez

    Member
    November 4, 2021 at 1:56 pm

    @Peter Jorgensen, thank you very much very good, I will read it out so, maybe most of the questions I have in mind are ready responded, I appreciate!

  • Michael Jarvis

    Member
    November 10, 2021 at 11:24 am

    I’ve seen only one reply about someone who thought a flat tow option for RVers would be nice to have. I also would like to have the option to flat tow with my RV and can see a great application for the RV community to have the power system tie into the RV bi-directionally. I don’t know the market share demand of this type of hookup option but I do know the RV community grew large during the pandemic!

  • Paul Schultz

    Member
    November 11, 2021 at 6:16 pm

    There was a previous post about this topic. The concern is that the hub motors in the front wheels would not do well with flat towing. I suggested a tow dolly to avoid rolling the Aptera’s front drive wheels. Then, if you only have a front-wheel drive Aptera the rear wheel could be rolling on the road. There are some nice light aluminum tow dollies that stand up on end for easier storage. Plus, attaching a tow bar to the front of the Aptera would require some connection points, probably on the suspension, that I am not sure would be ideal.

    Paul

    • Michael Jarvis

      Member
      January 4, 2022 at 6:05 am

      sounds like this could work. most tow dolly setups seam to carry a max of up to 83″ outside tire width. Does anyone know if the Aptera would work if the wheel covers are removed? (I suppose the covers would have to add 2.5″ on each side for 83″ overall to the outside.)

  • my_discord_number_is_0328 bloody stupid

    Member
    November 11, 2021 at 8:20 pm

    maybe aptera computer can drive teh car to follow the RV, just like it would be programmed to follow another car as a virtual self driving trailer/traincar in the concept of two 2 seaters instead of a single 4 seater as a more functional but lower energy and maintenance cost alternative given most the time people driving alone or with 1 passenger assuming ridesharing happens, and with not much storage space needs, especially given roof storage box can be used for the twice a month presumably large storage needs (grocery, etc). such is repurposed as rental car in future at least for high population density area as probably will be happening in a increasingly compacted future for efficiencies sake, and people are increasingly detached from family or long term relations in general, so the current fact of most travel happening alone will only increase.

  • George Hughes

    Member
    November 11, 2021 at 8:42 pm

    I’m not a RV’er but think that a better way to look at this might be a digital/physical hitch that actually allows the Aptera to follow, essentially a ‘tow’ vehicle using its own power. I imagine it like the follow me application on small photo drones where the Aptera would be connected with a chain and an approved ‘special’ hitch that gives it enough play between the tow vehicle and the towed to make the pull smooth. Otherwise, the Aptera uses ‘some of its battery power’ to follow the RV (or other lead vehicle) meaning there is no ‘pull penalty’ for the RV.

    Personally, I’d like this functionality become a standard on the Aptera largely because doing so would make it the odds on solution for a standard for light trucks, vehicles and RV’s pulling light self-powered trailers. Heck, you could even have Aptera’s pulling other Aptera’s making an caravan of Apterea.

    I suggest that because, with the Aptera’s amazing efficiency, you could take two on your vaca and you will still use fewer KWH of power making the trek than if you used the most efficient five seat EV on the market. Now if you could just stick the kids in the pulled car 🙂

  • Guy SKEER

    Member
    December 7, 2021 at 6:12 pm

    Towing

    Can it be Towed and Charge by regeneration? Unoccupied? Will BMS and Drive Soft/Hardware have that Feature/Mode available?

    • my_discord_number_is_0328 bloody stupid

      Member
      December 7, 2021 at 8:06 pm

      adapting motor to screw into average trailer? current motor is heavy, probably requires suspension unlike whats in a average trailer or else motor damage.

  • Guy SKEER

    Member
    December 8, 2021 at 4:13 am

    Hmmm – @my Discord… : I guess I was Too Terse in My Query.

    What I was asking was: If an operational Aptera is Flat towed (all three wheels on the Road Surface), Can it Regenerate to charge its battery? Is the Software/Hardware capable of this “Enhancement”? I guess it would require a “Sense” signal from the Braking system of the Tow Vehicle, in order not to be Like a Mule that Refuses to be led away. Maybe Lightest level of Regeneration most of the time, but going to Full/Heavy Regeneration when the Brakes of the Tow Vehicle are Applied Until the Batteries are full.

    Makes me wonder about Regenerative Braking when the Batteries are Full: Is there a Resistive “Dissipator” Bank that absorbs Regenerated Electricity when the Battery (Cue Scotty Doohan’s Voice): “She canna take any More, Jim”?

    • Gabriel Kemeny

      Moderator
      December 8, 2021 at 5:23 am

      There will likely be a freewheel mode, for such towing situations.

  • Guy SKEER

    Member
    January 4, 2022 at 7:21 am

    Because the Front Fender attach points are so exposed, I would think it would be pretty easy for a vendor to come up with a Flat Tow Hitch attach that Might (for Example) require only replacement of the OEM Fender Fairing Attach Bolts with ones that have provisions for Quick-Release Hitch.

  • Elzo Stubbe

    Member
    January 4, 2022 at 12:28 pm

    • Jane Healy

      Member
      January 21, 2023 at 7:10 pm

      Just a fyi: trailers, where the wheels are attached underneath the trailer body, are known as “deckover” trailers.

  • Elzo Stubbe

    Member
    January 22, 2022 at 10:55 am

    I know that the Aptera is not really suitable for towing stuff. But if there would be an after market aptera trailer one day, where would we fit the towing hook?

  • Len Nowak

    Moderator
    January 22, 2022 at 11:08 am

    At one it was mentioned

    In this area in the attached “possibily”

    Up to a 200# trailer and 200# payload and I am not sure how those numbers are impacted by having the max 500# inside. So old… this may not mean anything.

  • Roy Dudley

    Member
    January 24, 2022 at 8:27 am

    Hola, Apterians and Apterianos. I have been an avid bicycle user for everyday transportation for the last 64 years, so being apply to tow a bicycle trailer with an Aptera would be fantastic. This trailer is made in France and because it is only one wheel there will be less resistance. What do you guys think?

    • Jan Maarten Fernig

      Member
      January 24, 2022 at 9:23 am

      Great! That is what I think. Would be great to have this extension for some extraordinary occasions. Like moving stuff that really wouldn’t fit inside. Or move some extra stuff when we’d be traveling from the Netherlands to the south of Italy. That’s a small journey of 2.000 km in total, into 3 days of 666,7 km each day. That’s around 414 miles a day.

    • Bojan Majdandzic

      Member
      February 18, 2022 at 7:24 am

      Would be better if the bikes could be put in the length on the trailer with a cover, less air resistance.

    • Jane Healy

      Member
      January 21, 2023 at 7:03 pm

      I love this idea!! I have a Brompton folding bike that I use for use when train/plane commuting, but my husband and I really want to be able to use our “regular” bikes with our future Aptera. Thanks for sharing

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