jonah-jorgenson
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Full disclosure, I am a young engineer with some investments. None in an IRA. I follow my grandfather’s advice, don’t invest ANYTHING you can’t afford to lose no matter how appealing. I don’t. If you are close to or in retirement I would not risk much if anything at that point. But what do I know at my age. I think inappropriate for Aptera to have this program. A little over the line of encouraging risky investment of hard earned funds perhaps saved for many years for retirement on the part of rose colored glasses Aptera fans. Aptera is claiming a number of potential sources of production funding. IF so, appropriate they select one/some of those. Time to stand on their own feet.
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The IRS has released a list of EVs that are now eligible for the $7,500 Tax credit if delivered in 2023 before the March+ time frame when guidance on battery composition is published.
The Bolt EV is on the list and with the current MSRP and the tax credit can be had for about 19K. Must be “Put in service” after 01/91/1013 to qualify. A boon to both families with lower incomes and GM
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Yes, interesting.
Possibly a hint that one exterior color, one interior scheme, one battery size (I think we know that – 400 mile version), maybe no off road modifications, no enhanced audio or camping packages. We know no SafetyPilot at first. Also no all wheel vehice.
All keeps production simple and cheap as only a subset of inventory needs to be ordered, delivered, and paid for. That also simplifies testing as only one variant needs to go throug safety testing and validation before retail production and disstribution.
I suspect we will have information on 01/20/23 from the live web session.
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I believe you are right. Aptera will crash test to auto standards I think using an crash testing independent contractor. I believe they will submitt the results to the government for a review. For sure they will publish the results, goverment reviewed/approved or not and that they will show the vehicle is very safe based on bassing auto safety standards, a level above what is required for a motor cycle.
A note on classification. You quoted the federal definition for a motor cycle. Some states have classifed the aptera configuration as an autocycle with specific requirements for that category. Apteera’s design satisfies all state requirements for registration and licensing.
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My grandfather is 78. He has reserved two Apterae, one for himself and one for his wife. They both currently drive Teslas with screens safely with no issues and no complaints about using screens. I think it is all in the mind. If you think you can do it you can. If you think you will have trouble with it you will. If your confidence in your driving skills is not high, and you can’t take your eyes off the road for the moment it takes to look at the screen to touch what you are looking for then maybe someone else should be doing the driving.
The user interface will be evaluated by people with early deliveries. (The best evaluators rather than journalists who may have an imperative to be controversial) Since the interface is software-driven, changes can be made and distributed quickly and easily to fix or enhance features with no expense or time. 😁
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This was discovered and posted by the Aptera Owners Club (AOC) a few days ago. Some interesting comments were posted in response. The original Aptera was ahead of its time as well. Would have ordered one if they had gone to production. The AOC Discord Channel has some great discussions as well.
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Canoo is a legitimate competitor to Aptera as it is a weekly popular form factor for a large proportion of the market. I have an uncle that has a Canoo reservation. He is impressed with the “Drive by wire” tech, the seating capacity (He has a large and growing family), and the price in the ’30s. Not so impressed with the range, but rationalizes it with the growing number of charging stations. He will be able to charge for nothing at home as he has a robust, full-home backup solar system.
Canoo recently avoided the same issue facing Aptera, insufficient funds to proceed with production. Saved by Walmart order and support.
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Good video of a somewhat extended drive in the gamma. Seemed somewhat scripted to address some of the reservations expressed by some forum posters. The yoke, many revolutions to make a turn. I thought I heard some rattles even though they said it was quiet inside. Crossing the speed bump was pretty slow. For me, not convinced that there would not be contact between the vehicle wheel pants and the speed bump if going a little faster with the gamma clearance spec. For everything, need to wait to see what the delta is like for all of the issues raised by forum members.
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the design of the inwheel motors does not allow for turning them off and on. This has been discussed in other threads on the forum so it is not possible to do what you propose. Additionally, I think the added time and expense to implement this capability resulting in a higher price and delay in delivery for the limited market that would be interested in this capability would not be justified.
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Looks like another domino falls in the EV vehicle space. This was Fisker’s second time at bat with what appears to be a strike out. Trying to join a crowded space of expensive SUV/Crossovers. Didn’t get to the Pear which may have done better in a market looking for an inexpensive EV.
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Increasing number of lower cost EV’s coming on the market as competitors to Aptera. The Fiat and the new Volvo. More coming with the 25K(???) Tesla on the way. All will eat away at the Aptera market especially among smaller families that need more than two seats and can’t pay a lot. Pressure on Aptera to get into volume production at a low price.
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Agree. In real estate, the saying (For success) is location, location, location. For R&D, regardless of the domain, it is timing, timing, timing. The corollary to that is funding, funding, funding. And, they are tied at the hip. Like the nuclear clock, I believe that Aptera is at 11:59 and some undetermined number of seconds seconds past 30 for both.
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A wrap makes the most sense for Aptera from the perspective of cost and Aptera ethos. Highlighted in the stream of this post is the fact that paint shops are very expensive. Wrapping keeps the cost down something we all want. Paint shops are also very harmful to the environment. So, in keeping with the ethos of aptera, avoiding paint shops contributes to care of the environment. Once you purchase an Aptera, you may do as you wish with the exterior. You can have it painted or wrapped with different material than Aptera selects.
For those that are new to the forum, Aptera has always intended to wrap Apterae and has consistently announced this feature. Previously, Chris A. indicated in a video that with the materials used for the body, you could not incorporate color in the material as matching color could not be assured across different parts. Also, if delivered without an exterior finish, the material would degrade quicker from UV radiation. Would it be wise to forgo an Aptera with all of its groundbreaking benefits because of an exterior finish you don’t care for and could easily change????
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Correct. Certainly not at launch. Chris explained the reason as the standard is still evolving and (At the time of the video) there were no commercial implementations. With progress since then (Ford F-150 Lightning etc.) and Tesla considering implementation, a solid possibility for future generations of Apterae. An additional consideration is cost as implementing would increase the cost of engineering and production at a time when there is an imperative to keep cost as low as possible. Several solar providers (Enphase)have announced products released in the next 12 months that will implement two way charging which will include V2H and V2G functionality. This functionality falls into the same category as a heat pump for Aptera. Two things to look forward to.
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My gues the wiring harness will not have the features you describe. The engineeering on Delta was complete months ago against the requirements you see displayed in the delta renderings. The harness, to save weight and cost would be engineered only for the deta design. There would be no way to anticipate the need for additional leads nor need to because the design was complete.
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Cabin air filter and some coolants may need attention. We will have to wait for the expected recommended maintenance informaiton to be published. Alwas windhield wiper fluid. some sort of maintenance on the AC????
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The answer is no, you can not upgrade your battery once you have selected a battery and delivery of the vehicle is made for the first production Aptera. The batteries are not plug and play. You may change your battery selection as many times as you want in your reservation. Once you are contacted to place an order and schedule delivery, your battery selection is fixed at the last level in your reservation/order.
The attery configurations have different weights and different control electronics for each battery configuration. Changes to suspension, battery control electronics, and other software changes may need to be made to accomodate another battery configuration. It is best to reserve/order the largest battery configuration you think you may need before delivery.
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Actually that is not universal. The first cars made and driven in the U.S. did not have that configuation. So you example is really my example. 😁
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Tell me what in the world is universal? Nothing. Everything changes over time. If not we would still be going around in animal skins and killing our food with clubs. Even that would be a change from what went before. That mind set is just an excuse for not willing to adopt to something different. Surprises me a little since the Aptera has a lot of new things and people want Aptere.
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I can’t because I drive a Tesla. The condo association installed two charging points each with two cables in 2022 as a test. They are CCS1 so good for everthing except a Tesla. I pass by them occasionally. They seem to be relatevely unused. I think most in the Condo with EVs drive Teslas.
There are Tesla chargers on my commute to work I use.
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Police in juridictions where I live and travel use laser speed guns/devices. Aptera will not defeat them nor do I think an Aptera will defeat radar based speed guns/devices. Easy to test the first time you drive your Aptera (Within the speed limit 😁 of course) on a road where there is a “Your speed is” device is positioned.
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The sharks are in the water!
The article comments parallel some posts on this and other Aptera forums. But, Teslas are the highest selling EVs in the world and one of the top selling vehicles of any kind, even with consistently poor build quality. Shows that the overall vehicle features trump some of the shortcomings that any vehicle will have. Emulating success is not a bad idea.
I drive a Tesla Model 3. I will have no problem adjusting to the interior format of my Aptera as I have been driving for some time with that configuration.
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I live in a condo. An upstairs neighbor ordered a 2023 Bolt for delivery in 2023. with all of the incnetives, (Military discount, Cosco member) and now the change where Bolt will get a $7,500 tax credit until March, the dealer says he will pay just short of $18,000 before state tax for his base model. Hard to pass that up for 4-5 passenger EV with a 259 mile range. Good for families or anyone needing more than two passengers. The problem, four to five month waiting time.
He is buying from a Chevy dealer in Tampa FL who sells at MSRP with no deler fees, market adjustment fees, or prep fees if the car is ordered. (All are ordered as none stay on the lot)
TheBolt and the Eqinox (ESUV from Chevy in the 30K range before incentives) will be competition for Aptera starting in 2023 if Aptera ends up in production and distribution in 2023/2024
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Good observation I think!
The delta version of Aptera is a long way from the orginal concept instantiated in the alpha and a marked improvement in engineering for manufacturing and unit cost in time and dollars for large scale production. My grandfather who follows Aptera and a vehicle engineer for decades has great things to say about the tranformation.
Whether from Sandy and/or a combination of influences I don’t know, but the result is excellent. Kudos to Aptera leadeship for maintaining the original ethos while taking a giant step in comercialization
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👍 Same experience. It takes a willingness to adapt. Most who complain about the screen have not driven a vehicle with the screen as an interface. Of course, none have driven an Aptera with their implementation of a screen interface. I think it is an adapt or go with another less capable vehicle.
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