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MemberJune 29, 2022 at 6:51 am
I don’t think Aptera would want an unfinished appearance on a vehicle in public. You can do what you want with the Aptera once you own it. Besides, if you get a loan to pay for the Aptera, the financial institution will not want the vehicle in a “Customized state” which may impact its resale value.
MemberJune 28, 2022 at 1:47 pm
I guess an OK marketing/sales statement but…….
People who buy Cadillac’s want that kind of vehicle and will buy the Lyriq. Few if any Cadillac buyers would buy an Aptera. Few if any Aptera customers would buy a Lyriq. Progress is not the issue, it is making something people will buy. The Escalade is the most valuable name plate for Cadillac. So much so that it is exempt from the Cadillac model renaming over the last few years. The Escalade is GM’s biggest SUV. It sells very well. So will the Lyriq. What will sell even more will be the upcoming Chevy 30K Chevy Electric Equinox.
Car companies are not in business to make “Progress” (That is the purview of research labs and non profits) they are in business to maximize shareholder equity. That applies to Aptera as well.
There is no bleeding edge or cutting edge tech in the Aptera. Even the aero shape has been around for a while. In wheel motors are in other production EVs.
The magic of Aptera is engineering mostly COTS components VERY EFFCIENTLY into a ground transportation vehicle. The engineering and production process is the Aptera magic sauce, not the technology.
Another fun fact about Cadillac, they sell more cars in China than in the U.S.
MemberJune 27, 2022 at 6:35 pm
A lot of Management and Marketing Speak in this thread. The fact is the CTO of Aptera has not been involved in Aptera to any degree for some time, is in Canada, and working in his new company on their product. The company failed to disclose this information.
It is really beneath you stalwarts to peddle this otherwise. ☹ Disappointed
MemberJune 26, 2022 at 3:55 am
My grandfather used one of these knobs. In his time it was called a “Squirrel knob” or a “Suicide knob” and was not legal in some places. I agree with David, not necessary with the advent of power steering and using the heel of the had works fine.
MemberJune 25, 2022 at 3:56 pm
Yes, sorry for the misnomer
MemberJune 25, 2022 at 1:26 pm
Tesla will probably take more notice of Aptera when their is a dip in their U.S. Sales curve in 2023 and a significant increase in Tesla used cars on sale 😉
MemberJune 25, 2022 at 1:22 pm
I would suggest that you will receive that discount when you are contacted to place an actual order and put down an actual deposit. You are currently only making a reservation to get an Aptera not placing an order that would be subject to the discount.
MemberJune 24, 2022 at 9:32 am
Before I post my opinion on the features list, It is important to recognize and acknowledge the remarkable and amazing job Aptera engineering has done to produce this vehicle in a short time, with small staff, shoestring budget, and in the worst possible business enviroment possible for a start up. It is truly REMARKABLE. Suggesting new or different features in no way detracts from this remarkable accomplishment. Those of us enthusiasts from the engineering community understand and admire what you have done.
I believe that Aptera has a product roadmap they are following (Future follow on vehicles) which they have published and which will leverage their remarkable engineering for efficiency and performance to date. I feel they should follow their product road map until it has been successfully achieved.
The road map vehicles are in line with their stated goal, to make the most efficient transportation vehicles on earth. The engineering changes (Those that increase weight or change the exterior form factor) to incorporate some of the described features would result in a vehicle far from the efficiency goal and with performance specs that would be very disappointing. The three things that make Aptera efficient are a very carefully crafted and tuned aero shape and size, engineering obsession with reducing weight (500 lb max internal load) and selecting the smallest and lightest weight components. This engineering allows for the small battery size for stated ranges and performance. Any change in the form factor or adding weight or the provision for carrying heavier loads would result in significantly degraded range and performance.
The Aptera ethos appeals to a more general market than the described vehicle. If produced, the vehicle would appeal to a smaller niche market who’s volume of sales may not recoup the R&D invested to produce such a vehicle.
In the end, the market will determine the next version of the Aptera. The management, engineering, production, and financial staff will jointly make the decisions on next vehicle features in concert with marketing. Some of the listed feature ideas may be incorporated into a new version.
Currently, the Tesla Cyber Truck will come close (Except for the battery size, range, and solar) and may fill the gap you envision and may be available about the same time as Aptera in 2023. Canoo (If they ever come to fruition) has a variant that is part SUV/part pickup truck that has some of these features. Again not the range, battery size, or solar) which may be in the market as well.
In my opinion, the next version of the Aptera to expend R&D/Production funds on should be the projected multi passenger, four wheel variant that will be available in the US and EU compliant as this variant will address the largest segment of potential EV buyers.
My list of additional features for development and production of the next variant would include:
At least four seats
Range and performance as close to the current version as possible given additional weight and change of form factor
Migration to the next economically feasible battery technology
Next gen driver assistance
A robust, lasting exterior finish
Continued emphasis on low price
Quick turnaround into a very competitive emerging market
MemberJune 29, 2022 at 6:58 am
Thanks for this. Interesting. Would fit the “Ethos” of Aptera and certainly would be more acceptable than cloth on the Yoke😁
MemberJune 29, 2022 at 6:54 am
Thanks for this. Interesting.
MemberJune 29, 2022 at 6:45 am
The engineering costs and price for essentially designing, testing, and producing a new vehicle will be high. And, as Joshua points out, certainly amortized over a quite small number of production even to just cover the engineering and logistics cost.
There will be an opportunity cost as well. The 1,000mi variant will use batteries that could be larger numbers of 600, 400, or 250 variants that could be sold at a higher volume to generate revenue.
But, Aptera will do it or lose credibility and to satisfy those that have a use case for the 1,000 mile variant
MemberJune 28, 2022 at 1:49 pm
Ha, I think you know exactly what I believe they failed to disclose. Conspiracy is a little strong. Your word not mine. But if you believe the nondisclosure reached that level, you are free to do so.
The company in Nevada was not listed as an “Officer of the company” which Nathan as a CTO would be. As an Officer of the company, their involvement in the company and other business activities are subjected to disclosure (Conflicts of business interest would be the subject of disclosure)
I don’t think you can honestly state to me that Nathan was “Committed” to his role as a CTO to the extent you would expect of a CTO or to any extent as a CTO during the last 12 months of development leading up to production, or that he is at this point committed to his Aptera CTO duties while working on his company in Canada. Yet he is consistently listed as the CTO under “Executives” with no mention of any other active business interests.
In my view, big dent in Aptera credibility and mantle of openness and certainly a known nondisclosure of the status of an Officer of the Company.
- This reply was modified 19 hours, 27 minutes ago by Jonah Jorgenson. Reason: update content
MemberJune 27, 2022 at 6:24 pm
I hope all posters to this thread, in fact the forum in total, understand that the engineering for the Gamma and probably a large percentage of the Delta (Production ready) has been complete for some time and only the build of the documented specifications is underway.
All of the great ideas for features and addons are fine but will at this point be considered when conceptualizing the next version of Aptera. If it is not in the engineering specs now it will not be in the production vehicle. If you will review the comments by Chris in the last update he made this plain when he commented that the engineering for the Betas and Gamma were completed sometime last year.
Engineering reality is that there is no time, resource, or budget to enhance the production version of Aptera now with items for m wish lists. In fact some of the features advertised for the Aptera (Safety Pilot) and perhaps others will be post production updates.
Great and fun to speculate, wish, hope Etc. but should not expect.
MemberJune 26, 2022 at 3:52 am
Neither Apple Car Play nor an Android Auto App (No longer available as a stand alone app) will be supported in first production vehicles as Joshua stated, and no plans to add as an update subsequent to production. There will be Bluetooth connectivity for any device that an owner would like to connect.
The world has survived for a long time without these apps. Tesla, the number on EV manufacturer does not support Apple Car Play although there are some workarounds. I have an Apple phone and drive a Tesla Model 3 and manage just fine without Car Play.
It appears that Aptera is following the Tesla lead in this regard as well as others (Interior design, yoke, maybe charge plug) and will write their own software for infotainment.
Perhaps Aptera will support a 12 Point Program for Car Play withdrawal 😁
MemberJune 27, 2022 at 6:14 pm
MemberJune 27, 2022 at 6:13 pm
Not sure what plush ride translates to. It will not be a Mercedes S Class, or a Cadillac or Lincoln or the like. It will not be like reviewers, to include Steve for Aptera Owners Club, have experienced to date as they have ridden in Alpha and Beta Prototypes with untuned final suspensions and only prototype body work.(A lot of rattling) It will have a significant amount of unstrung weight due to the wheel motors which would contribute to a stiffer ride. In my imagination, I think of it as like riding in a BMW M3. Probably stiffer (Supportive) seats like an M3 as well.
<font face=”inherit”>The only way to really tell is get a test drive/ride in it when the opportunity presents itself. No body </font>else’s experience can match your own excellent judgement.
MemberJune 27, 2022 at 5:58 pm
This is the definition of Level I ADAS.
“This is the lowest level of automation. The vehicle features a single automated system for driver assistance, such as steering or accelerating (cruise control). Adaptive cruise control, where the vehicle can be kept at a safe distance behind the next car, qualifies as Level 1 because the human driver monitors the other aspects of driving such as steering and braking. This is the lowest level of automation.”
With Level I you get only ONE driver assist. (Lane keeping, or Adaptive Cruise control, or emergency breaking)
SafetyPilot will be a Level II assist (When it is implemented) Until that time Aptera comes only with standard cruise control like we have had for years on ICE vehicles.
MemberJune 27, 2022 at 7:21 am
Yes, standard cruise control comes with the Aptera.
MemberJune 26, 2022 at 12:56 pm
Should charge cumulative minus what ever is needed to run the ambient cabin conditioning assuming it is on, and up to the charge limit set through a user control or until the batter is at max. Nice to know that it will be better off when you return than when you left it.
Hard to match that level of assurance with another EV in the U.S. market anytime soon.
MemberJune 26, 2022 at 12:49 pm
Certainly agree that a CCS adapter is the right choice for Aptera for both the U.S. (CCS1) and Europe (CCS2). To use the size/weight of the charger handle as a criteria for choosing a plug seems like a form over function criteria which, in my opinion, is counter to Aptera’s ethos of efficiency.
Sooner or later even the mighty Tesla will have to bow to the CCS standard. Perhaps already started as they will equip their chargers with CCS plugs.
MemberJune 25, 2022 at 1:32 pm
You may want to relay your preference through the “Communications” menu item as this forum is not continually monitored by Aptera resources. by using the email communication it will go directly to an Aptera Customer Support Person and you will get a written response.
I live in COCO Beach and will request a local CA delivery as well and enjoy the trip back to FL
- This reply was modified 3 days, 20 hours ago by Jonah Jorgenson.
MemberJune 25, 2022 at 1:16 pm
With my commute, and living in sunny FL, I will rely on solar charging alone. I live in a condo. If traveling of course will take advantage of chargers on the route whether CCS or Tesla depending on what Aptera chooses to equip Apterae with. I use Tesla chargers now with my Model 3. It will be nice to use solar and no to pay anything (Gas or electricity charges)
- This reply was modified 3 days, 20 hours ago by Jonah Jorgenson. Reason: corrected spelling
MemberJune 25, 2022 at 1:01 pm
MemberJune 24, 2022 at 8:02 am
A rational perspective. And you are correct, the right time to revisit is sometime after general delivery where owner response to the yoke can be accurately assessed for a response if merited. Also eliminates any reengineering at this point in development which would impact schedule and budget.
MemberJune 24, 2022 at 7:58 am
let’s make a deal. I will stop trolling you if you stop trolling me. Fair enough?😁