Aptera Delivery schedule (2)

[Biker]

Assume all pre-orders which are NOT an accelerator to have that delivery date change to 2025 soon:

[craig-merrow]

I’m hoping to see mine summer 2025, but we’ll see how things go. It’s hard to get any company off the ground, but I think Aptera has done very well and will reach production soon🙂

[angela-lee]

How many still believe they are gonna come out with it next year?

I’m starting to think that they just took everyone’s money. And about ask for a refund.

Who’s on the same boat?

[Uncle-Dirt]

That’s a small lonely boat

[john-malcom]

I have sometimes been critical of Aptera and sometimes supportive. Hopefully balanced and based on more than superficial personal speculation. One thing has been clear and consistent from the start at the end of 2020 is that Aptera has done remarkable things on a shoe string budget in the worst of economic times. That kind of effort deserves support to the end what ever that end may be. I believe that end will be a transition to limited production transitioning to full production. If that doesn’t happen, what is a reservation holder out worst case, the $70/100 reservation fee which will most likely be refunded. I spend that much at Starbucks in a week. Dr. Steve Lee on the Aptera Owners Club YouTube channel has a great video that completely debunks the “Speculation” that Aptera is a scam. Have the intestinal fortitude to stay with them for your benefit.

[BrunoGenovese]

What Aptera has done and HOW they are doing it is something that absolutely no car manufacturer ever did. Not only they come out with a car designed with the real needs of the consumer in mind (something the other manufacturers don’t do, but rather focus only on profit and what they can fool consumers into buying), they also designed it so that we can maintain and repair it ourselves instead of being hostage of mechanics that want to rip us off. And they did all of this on a shoestring. Frankly amazing and deserves utter respenct.

More than that, there are LOTS of us looking forward to eventually buying one, and would probably buy one almost immediately if we could.

But I think the reason for the frustration of the person you are discussing with is the lack of certainty about the delivery date for the reservation. Right now the only options “seem to be” to stick it out and buy the car when you reach the head of the line, or pull the reservation if life got in the way and for some reason you can’t buy the car on that date (around 2026 if you place a reservation now), either because life got in the way or your old car died and you had to replace it “now”… meaning you probably don’t need a car for 5-10 years. Meaning that both the consumer and Aptera lose out on a sale that doesn’t happen.

Since leaving $100 in limbo for an undetermined amount of time is no big deal for people considering an Aptera, but doing it and then not being able to buy the car – for whatever reason – would be very frustrating, I would like to propose an alternative:

SUGGESTION FOR APTERA to take the stress out of the wait:

– Maintain the ability to withdraw the reservation (assuming you are allowing it now) until we reach the front of the line. And of course, give a warning 30-90 days earlier that we are approaching that point.

– Once we reach the front of the line, let the customer choose whether they want to finalize the purchase or by making the reservation fee non-refundable… hold the position in line for *** 10 years ***. So, if life interfered or you had to buy a car before the Aptera became available, you would be able to keep your position in line for when you are again ready to buy.

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What does this achieve?

– Removes the stress from consumers.

– You will see A LOT more reservations, which could be taken to investors to justify funding. I am probably a perfect example of people hesitant to put down the $100: I don’t mind putting that money in Limbo (or even losing it) but I would not waste it since I know I have to buy a car in 1st qtr 2024, meaning that I would definitely not buy another car (Aptera) around 2026/2027, but would still buy it later. So, if I can make a reservation that fits my schedule I would do it instantly, otherwise I will wait until production volumes are such that there is less than 30 days from order to delivery and it is the right time/year “for me” to buy.

– You will get even more loyalty from your supporters.

– Fewer reservations would be dropped, and long term you should see more completed sales.

– This kind of reservation practice would seem to be in line with the very consumer-oriented corporate values of Aptera.

NOTE: For all I know this could already be the current policy, but I have not seen it spelled out anywhere.

• This reply was modified 5 months, 1 week ago by  Bruno Melloni.

[craig-merrow]

My reservation spot is 56366; if I did the math right, that puts me at 38183 in line. I think it also depends on the configuration i.e the 250 and 400 mile versions will be built first?

[Dr.D]

So Chris just said that Accelerator investors will start receiving vehicles late in 2024. So us others can expect delivery somewhere in 2025. Gosh, that’s two years later than when I reserved a vehicle. Not good.

[donald-crittenden]

2 years wait doesn’t sound bad. I placed my order Dec 4, 2020 and my estimated delivery date is now H1 2025…

[michael-apple]

I just placed my order two days ago for what I would have ordered anyway, which was a Launch Edition with a 400 mile battery, OpenPilot, Off-Road package, and camping package. I am order number 73031, so I have no idea where I am in the delivery order. If it takes a long time, that’s fine, because I already own an EV and I have plenty of time to wait. Today, I decided to also become an investor because I really believe in this vehicle and the company. These are exciting times.

[klaas-stoker]

Chris Anthony said in the Tailosive tour/interview that high $ Acceletors may see vehicles in Fall 2024, which means others won’t see them until 2025 at the earliest.

[Sam]

So the first 5,000 builds will be the 45kwh batt pack. After that will be the others, where a 600 mile range may be delivered sometime 2025 for Accelerator order # 1512.<div>

What about Accelerator order # 2000 with different colorways inside and out?

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[Biker]

It is unlikely anyone (even Accelerator) not ordering an LE will get theirs before the planned 5K LEs are delivered.

[Mike-Mars]

‘5000’ was just an arbitrary target for the number of Limited Edition vehicles – it simply depends on how many people chose that configuration. So for example, if 8000 people decide to pick the LE, and they’re all in North America, then the first 8000 to be produced will be LEs, and other configurations have to wait. LE is kind of irrelevant outside the USA since those vehicles will be coming later regardless, and won’t impact the delivery of other configurations in the USA. I would have to guess that Canada or Mexico will probably be the next market after the USA.

I hope that EU comes after that, given that the CPC factory is there, but it depends on the amount of changes required for homologation, I would guess.

• This reply was modified 4 months, 2 weeks ago by  Michael Marsden.

[Gozer]

I am currently 350 slots off the bottom of the leaderboard. If the Accelerator Program ended today I’d have Accelerator LE 1650.

I reside twenty-six miles from Aptera and will not require any auto financing.

Judging from Chris Anthony’s recent remarks, I can expect delivery sometime in 2025. It is those at the top of the leaderboard that will recieve thier vehicles at the end of next year.

I am fine with this and will be recalibrating my expectations.

[Dr.D]

Estimated Delivery Date: 2025

Nuts…….

[ROMAD]

As long as in next December it doesn’t change to 2026!

[craig-merrow]

Aptera is getting closer all the time! The first CPC body shell was recently made (a huge milestone), really excited to see more of it as they get it trimmed and cleaned up. I’m as anxious as everyone else about their projected timelines for getting into production, but they are making good progress and I believe they will succeed.

[Biker]

From Aptera:

A new reservation dashboard update has rolled out to stay consistent with what the current estimates are, which were discussed in previous update videos and interviews. It now shows Accelerator vehicles as Late 2024, Paradigm Edition Holders + Ambassadors as H1 2025, and other Launch Edition orders as 2025. All other configurations no longer have an estimated delivery date. If you do not have a Launch Edition on order, you will see the following in the dashboard:

To streamline production, Aptera plans to focus on producing one configuration, our Launch Edition, before other variants. For this reason, we have removed the estimated delivery date of other configurations. To get an Aptera vehicle much sooner, opt for the Launch Edition configuration. Customizations such as interior and exterior colors, the off-road package, and more will be available as upgrades post-delivery.

[JRWiley]

I just checked my dashboard. It is telling me that if I edit my configuration and switch to the LE, I can claim my Accelerator vehicle. Also, my delivery date went from 2024 to “TBD”. Well, I’ve had a reservation for the LE from about the day it was offered. I have a second reservation that I made only recently for 600 mile Noir. They seem to be ignoring my earlier LE reservation.

[Biker]

Change your 600mi vehicle reservation to the LE and see what happens to your estimated delivery date. Then, switch the earlier reservation to the 600 mi version. Your Accelerator slot is determined by your position on the leaderboard, not when you ordered. Making that switch also moves you up in the queue for the 600 mi vehicle.

[JRWiley]

Holy crap, Biker – it worked! Brilliant suggestion. Thank you.

[Mike-Mars]

It would be useful if the estimated delivery date could be shown on the reservations page rather than just the dashboard. The dashboard only shows a single vehicle’s estimated date, but people who have multiple reservations will get their vehicles on different dates.

If they haven’t already had that suggestion, could you forward it? (although I’d bet they’ve already had it).

[michael-kruse]

Thanks. My dash now says 2025. Order 33394, LE ordered 7-13-2022. What does H 1 mean?

I’m also an ambassador living in St. George, UT.

[Biker]

H1= first half of 2025 – figure somewhere between 2000 and 2500 in the queue for delivery based on your Amb status (mixed in with Paradigm slots after Accelerators).

[UnidentifiedDrivingObject]

“Customizations such as interior and exterior colors, the off-road package, and more will be available as upgrades post-delivery.”

Post delivery? So my understanding is, there would be a “rework” to install these, upon ownership (for a year, two years, or..)?

So for example, if I elect to change my order to Launch Edition (for quicker 2025 ETA), instead of sticking to my orig choice TBD Noir (plus several options i.e. ORK, OpenPilot..). When called, Aptera would rip the relatively new LE silver wrap to black?

Isn’t that a waste of Aptera money, parts/material, labor & time (them and mine; a possible back-and-forth reworks/installs)?

Then multiply the “custom” orders, possibly hundreds like me, worse case thousands..that’s a waste or resources, for a startup like Aptera.

[Biker]

Not sure how realistic this (re-wrapping, changing interior) is, never mind the cost. Many things are still unsettled enough that any promise of future potential should be taken with a huge grain of salt.

[tom-friend]

I have been wanting this for commuting. However, I will be retiring in 2025. Thus begins a new era in my life. So now I will have to consider how this can be towed behind a motor home.

[robert-wakeman]

I do believe you will have to use a trailer

[gregory-bechtold]

My 2024 ETA went from 2024 to TBD on a 400 range model. Becoming increasingly disturbed. May be seeking alternitive transportation.

[UnidentifiedDrivingObject]

I wonder if my custom/non-LE delivery would be 2025. I placed my pre order back in 6/11/2022 #25,678. I’m in Los Angeles btw.

[Drew]

Mine says 2025. This isn’t fun anymore.

[former_fan]

Honestly I doubt anyone will see one in 2024. They need funding and we know very well they would rush to publish news of funding when it occurs and they clearly stated even if fully funded it would take nine plus months to delivery.

[wingsounds13]

What this really means is that they are getting more granular AND more accurate about their delivery estimates. They appear to be giving a more reasonable estimate about the delivery time frame of the first few thousand (Accelerator) and Launch Edition vehicles and admitting that they do not know how quickly production will ramp up. As the production ramps up, they will then be able to give better estimates about non-accelerator LEs and those deliveries following the LEs.

Overall, a good thing. I don’t expect their estimates to slip much further than this, but it does depend on how well the Production Intent builds work and what kinds of bugs they find and must fix before customer deliveries begin.

• This reply was modified 4 months, 1 week ago by  J.P. Morere.

[Sam]

Why would Openpilot impact delivery date? I want it but what happens if I exclude it for now?

[Biker]

It wouldn’t. Nothing.

Adding or removing OpenPilot won’t affect delivery date of the vehicle itself.

[UnidentifiedDrivingObject]

Well, my current 6/2022 pre order did just that (after playing around with “Modify”).

From a TBD Noir/OpenPilot/ORK..it became a 2025 Launch Edition/OpenPilot/ORK.

My “Launch Edition” variant..is now priced at $35,500. Identical price as my previous custom Noir wrap pre order (the only difference).

I’ll see where these leads to..though as I mentioned prior, I am in no rush at all to get my Aptera (aka “Ray”). I’d prefer “kinks” of earlier release LE models to get sorted out first…

[Sam]

Has anything shipped from Modena yet? I’m getting really anxious.

[bernardo-artola]

Launch Edition Aptera

Estimated Delivery Date: 2025

[paul-imhof]

If you have a Launch Edition, you should see this:

[Gozer]

Accelerator Launch Editions are expected late 2024. Non-Accelerator Launch Editions are expected sometime in 2025. This is no doubt an optimistic view, the reality is likely different. Suffice it to say Aptera is only focusing on the LE. All other variants are to be determined.

[roger-tocchetto-tocchetto]

PI builds starting for validation is what was just announced, this is exciting!. What’s your thought for oncoming milestones between now (March 2024) and first delivery? My guess goes like this:

Q2 – Q3: PI build & validation; greenlight for vendors to tool up

Q3 – Q1 ’25: Plant equipment purchase, pre-production builds, recruiting & training

Q1 ’25: 1st delivery

Q1 ’26: 5,000th delivery

Q3 ’26: 10,000th delivery

[Sam]

Don’t forget crash testing

https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=650&v=wwDeVvfiOI0&feature=youtu.be

[ROMAD]

As ALREADY announced, the PI builds will cover that after their primary purposes are completed. CA announced the areas the first 4 PI builds will be used to test/check with PI #2 being press and publicity, IIRC.

[ROMAD]

If that guess happens, unfortunately Aptera will lose a lot of customers as it will be seen as just more can-kicking.

[Sam]

Don’t shoot the messenger.

[jay-blazek]

I have been following this company for years. Every time they come out with a promised production date it reminds me of a post at the local bar: “Free beer tomorrow.”

[Greek]

Wasn’t that deal yesterday?🙄

[jeff-anderson]

I would like to conduct an opinion poll.

How many Apteras do you think will have been delivered by the end of 2024? Note: employee deliveries don’t count

A) non

B) 1 to 100

C) 101 to 200

D) 201 to 500

E) 501 to 2000

F) 2001 to 5000

G) more than 5000

[D2E]

B

[Sam]

A.1) 1 to 10

[JRWiley]

A1. 1-10

[roger-tocchetto-tocchetto]

A. I think first delivery will be next year, unfortunately. Remember 9 months for tooling lead time, that time starts after PI. Once tools are ready they will build validation pre-production units. If they sell those it will be to employees, who will help debug the thing, for software and for NVH.

[ROMAD]

A.0.1: 1 at 11:59 PM PST on December 31, 2024 just to say they “delivered” in 2024. 🤣

[Greek]

I believe they will miss that deadline of 23:59 Dec 31. 😤

So….zero

[jeff-anderson]

I think B is most likely but C is possible. But I dought Aptera will deliver more than 200 vehicles before the end of 2024.

Before high volume production can start. Carbon fiber panel will need to be moved state side. My concern is production rates of the panels. For example each door requires two panels, a outer and inner panel. To automate the solar panel construction will take significant engineering time. It looks like the tooling for the large carbon fiber molds is complete.

The metal frame assembly needs to be moved states side, and automated. I estimate 1000 vehicle deliveries in the first quarter of 2025. In the second quarter production may climb to 800 Aptera’s per month.

But this is wishfull thinking on my part.

[jeff-anderson]

A funny thing happened when I logged into my Aptera account today.

It now shows delivery year as 2025. They must have more confidence in their ability to make deliveries. I placed my order in early February of 2024. This is the 600 mile front wheel drive configuration. Now this is very likely a late 2025 delivery. It could also be easily pushed into 2026 Has any one else had a reservation time update?

[UnidentifiedDrivingObject]

Jeff, I concur with you. My original 400mi AWD pre order calls for everything what an LE is plus ORK & OP with a Noir wrap, and my delivery was TBD (placed 6/11/22). Thereafter, after some contemplation and many months later, I decided to change it to an LE/silver wrap (still with ORK & OP), to get a 2025 delivery. Ok done.

But after reading your post a few minutes ago, I tried to play around with my pre order again. I then dared to change it back..to black Noir, and yes it still has ORK & OP.

Sure enough..it is (now) and still is a 2025 delivery!!

Hot daym. Am back to my original, true pre-order love..a sharp and stealthy looking black Noir Aptera. Aptera and crew..you’re all awesome!

[Sam]

@james-g I’m curious to see if you could get a “Late 2024” if you switch to LE.

[UnidentifiedDrivingObject]

It was LE (with custom upgrades) right before I replied to Jeff. But it was the current and (still is) the same 2025 delivery. I’m in SoCal (Los Angeles). So that could now be a contributing factor, to an “early” non-LE 2025 delivery timeframe. The close proximity to Carlsbad HQ.

[Sam]

Ok, well, thanks. Still curious though if the “LE” would give you a “late 2024”.

[ROMAD]

I doubt it as I switched to the LE over a year ago and is still saying 2025. First they have to deliver the 2,000 Accelerator LE’s. Using their initial 20/week start-up as a guide, that will take up to 10 weeks. Then the rest of the LE deliveries will take place as production ramps up. As they get comfortable and can expand to maybe 3 shifts, non-LE 400 model and 250 model production will be added.

The question is when will they be able to start adding ordered options to the LE orders. It would help if Aptera would be honest and publish how many of the supposed 47,000+ orders are LEs without options, LEs with options, non-LE 400 mile with and w/o options, and ditto 250 mile.

[UnidentifiedDrivingObject]

Ok just to reconfirm for the heck of it, I went back last night to my custom LE..then finally reverted back to my original AWD Noir 400 FS/ORK/OP pre order. No change. Still the same 2025 delivery.

Am pretty much contented with the delivery timeframe, as I have no interest to be an “early adopter” (and it’s potential early units release issues).

[james-wolf]

Late 2024

[Sam]

Was just about to ask where be these accelerators not chiming in?

@james-wolf thanks for sharing! No matter what my configuration, with all options selected, my Late 2024 doesn’t change. Is that true for you too? I think that’s in error.

[Sam]

The configurator has been fixed. Now, only changes to Additional Upgrades (step 6) doesn’t affect the LE status.

[ROMAD]

What is your Accelerator slot number? That would give a clue as to when the 2,000th Accelerator vehicle is projected to be delivered.

[Sam]

It changes by the hundreds with all the movement so, at this time, it’s not helpful.

[Greek]

Presently at 167….mine has not changed much since the LB closed to new investors. I have been loosing about 1 number every week since closing.

[james-wolf]

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